shailen Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Great analysis. I don't understand what attacking formations are. No formation is attacking or defensive. It's the way you press and the tempo you set that dictates this. That is where we failed on Saturday. The tempo was poor and we didn't take any risks that would have seen us have more chances.
orbison Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 Great analysis. I don't understand what attacking formations are. No formation is attacking or defensive. It's the way you press and the tempo you set that dictates this. That is where we failed on Saturday. The tempo was poor and we didn't take any risks that would have seen us have more chances. i agree with this, also some of our players are poor at finding spaces in possession and do not attack opposition quick enough when they have the ball, it fascinates me watching barcelona and bayern munich how they play off the ball, they attack the ball very high up the pitch, their back four on halfway line, know they have best players but they have high work ethic, when you consider a player only has the ball for brief moments it is vital what they do off the ball for ninety minutes. think we were better at this last season. do not think we would have got auto spot last season with present squad playing, in manner of this season, do not think its all about how hard the premier is, think we have regressed, pearsons signings are suspect, ironic thing is allbrighton impressed me last couple of matches he played, but big head wony play him, people who own the club need to put their thinking caps on.
iancognito Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 It's very good analysis but all it actually does is give us yet another thread to debate the same things which as donut rightly points out, two sides are never going to agree on. I'm not even sure it's a keep Pearson argument anymore it's just the ones who hate him against the ones who don't mind him and to be honest it's boring. Stayed away from here for a week before the Hull game and I missed nothing. Every day there's a new topic like this and it's pretty muchending in the same copy & paste arguments, like PMQs with people just talking at each other and nothing ever changing.
st albans fox Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 So where did jelavic play in their 5-4-1? Was it the nugent role? If so, it wasn't 5-4-1 and they still ended the match with two forwards on the pitch. where was their fear? we failed to outwit them with 11 and also with 10.
Channies6thswan Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 "One thing, that perhaps isn't great is that Vardy & Krameric were very close to each other in the way a big man/little man forward pairing should be," In my opinion this was one of the problems in the first half. They were NOT close together. They were far too far apart. For long periods kramaric was stuck out on the left. I kept saying to my lad that they need to be closer together. It's the first rule when you play 2 up top. I also think kramaric would be best playing right down the middle off the opponents last man.
Fox Ulike Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 I wish we'd just develop a system and stick with it all season. It worked perfect for us last season and Burnley have worked a near miracle this season as all their players know their roles and what's expected of them. I believe we're one of the teams who have used the most different formations (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/13/louis-van-gaal-united-tinker-table-premier-league), if we'd have just stuck with our fluid 442 from last season then I truly believe we'd be in a better position than just being so pragmatic and adaptive this season and ending up looking disjointed and clueless. The buck here stops with Pearson, and I've been a huge supporter of his until a couple months ago. Very good article that shouldn't get overlooked by anyone seeking answers to why we're adrift at the bottom of the league this season. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/13/louis-van-gaal-united-tinker-table-premier-league Despite the overwhelming preference for 4231 by most other Premiership teams, Pearson has used it just once all season. I'm sure he knows best.
cc_star Posted 19 March 2015 Author Posted 19 March 2015 Very good article that shouldn't get overlooked by anyone seeking answers to why we're adrift at the bottom of the league this season. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/13/louis-van-gaal-united-tinker-table-premier-league Despite the overwhelming preference for 4231 by most other Premiership teams, Pearson has used it just once all season. I'm sure he knows best. 451 or the modern more flexible 4231 is where it's at. It's ridiculous we haven't played a defensive midfielder in Hammond's absence, absolutely ridiculous! I wouldn't even say Hammond played defensively, it's just that's where his natural ability lies. Hasn't Hammond played in games where we've won something like 14 of our 18 points? Covering the defence with a defensive midfielder or two isn't a negative tactic, it allows the fullbacks to attack, wingers are dead in the modern game, so attacking fullbacks is where your width comes from. Defending from the front with a hardworking forward, also works - because PL players are comfortable on the ball they can play it out from the back, and someone like Nugent putting a shift in, closing down passing lanes has also coincided with our better performances Pearson's inability to do what works is my annoyance with him
Gio Posted 19 March 2015 Posted 19 March 2015 "One thing, that perhaps isn't great is that Vardy & Krameric were very close to each other in the way a big man/little man forward pairing should be," In my opinion this was one of the problems in the first half. They were NOT close together. They were far too far apart. For long periods kramaric was stuck out on the left. I kept saying to my lad that they need to be closer together. It's the first rule when you play 2 up top. I also think kramaric would be best playing right down the middle off the opponents last man. It wasn't 2 up top. Kramaric was on the left wing, vardy was in the middle and mahrez was on the right most of the time not behind them. Not sure why people think mahrez was playing in the number 10 role, he was on right the majority of the time. And Nigel even said it was a 3-4-3 (or 5-2-3 as it appeared). his position on the map is because he always drifts inside and once Lawrence came on (and before nugent came on) we were playing more of a 442 (vardy and ulloa up top, Morgan at right back) and mahrez went to the left therefore shifting his average position more centrally. Also kram and vardy appear on top of each other on the map because kram started playing more centrally in second half and then vardy moved out to the left when ulloa came on. These maps don't show anything when you consider how often the players positions changed throughout the game. Might be more interesting to look at just the first half/60 mins before subs were made
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