Sven on loans/transfers

[The Doctor]

Am i the only one on here who doesn't think Waghorn is worth £3 million? He just seems out of touch at the moment and making dodgy decisions with the ball. We need two powerful strikers - quickly.

i reckon he's not back upto speed yet, He missed a fair chunk of pre-season with a knee injury, he hardly played for sunderland after returning from said injury.

[Conscript Fox]

Greg Cunningham

Man City left back being linked with a loan move

http://foot.ie/threads/131046-Greg-Cunningham/page4

[Wymsey]

Greg Cunningham

Man City left back being linked with a loan move

http://foot.ie/threads/131046-Greg-Cunningham/page4

Why would we need another left back with us already having Berner + Kennedy? Its not as if he really need one is it?

[Conscript Fox]

Why would we need another left back with us already having Berner + Kennedy? Its not as if he really need one is it?

started a thread on this now as id just registered here and wasnt allowed to start threads for a bit

to answer your question, maybe he's better than one or both the present LB's , I mean, with all respect due, Kennedy hasnt pulled up any trees in his time here now has he? Berner is good, but there will be bargains to be had from Man City the way they are spending and Cunningham already has senior Irish caps, despite Trapatoni being slow to pick young players. So if it improves the squad in readiness for the prem, maybe he's looking toward that.

[Nick]

Questions:

How many loan players can we have? (5 is it?)

How many have we got?

Do 'Emergency Loans count or is this a loophole?

End of questions.

[MC Prussian]

Questions:

How many loan players can we have? (5 is it?)

How many have we got?

Do 'Emergency Loans count or is this a loophole?

End of questions.

For how long was Ikeme signed for again? It started out as a 28-day emergency loan deal.

Now that Weale is back from injury, is he still with us?

So far, we've got Vitor, Naughton and Davies on loan plus Vassell on a free. So, that's at least one more spot for a loanee, innit?

[davieG]

Since season 2005/06 Football League clubs have been subject to FIFA's registration and transfer rules which included the introduction of transfer windows between the end of the season and 31st August and during the month of January, i.e. 1^st to 31^st.

The rules affected both permanent and loan transfers and in order to comply The League amended its own regulations governing this area. Previous restrictions on the length of loan periods were altered to allow players of all ages to be loaned from window to window for either a half or full season. Clubs are allowed to register a maximum of eight such signings, four under 23 and a further four over 23 in any season, with only two of the latter age group being allowed to come from the same club.

Additionally, The League, with the approval of the FA, made provision for clubs to take players on short term emergency loans during the closed periods in exceptional circumstances – there is no limit on the number of emergency loans.

As in previous seasons, no more than five loan players will be allowed to feature in a club's 16 man matchday squad.

The transfer deadline of the fourth Thursday in March in each season still applies.

The regulations are contained in The League's Handbook which is available to purchase from this office. Please advise if you would like to receive a publications pro-forma for the 2007/08 season.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Patricia Brown

Customer Services

The Football League

www.football-league.co.uk

[Nick]

For how long was Ikeme signed for again? Is he still with us?

So far, we've got Vitor, Naughton and Davies on loan plus Vassell on a free. So, that's at least one more spot for a loanee, innit?

But it would appear we are looking at more players than just one more..................... so emergency loans are exactly that..... I don't think they count hence the 28 day stuff - anybody got any clarification on this?

N.

[m00nie]

But it would appear we are looking at more players than just one more..................... so emergency loans are exactly that..... I don't think they count hence the 28 day stuff - anybody got any clarification on this?

N.

Only 5 is playing/bench.. You can have more in the squad..

[Nick]

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Only 5 is playing/bench.. You can have more in the squad..

That helps, it all becomes clear now, we have some spaces to expand.

Thanks team!

N.

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20100801/section-6-players_2284800_2125731#51

I’m not contradicting DavieG’s post but wonder how Youth Loans fit into the total numbers that can be taken on loan.

I seem to recall that Waghorn’s loan was called a Youth loan and not a Standard loan last year. Since Greg Cunningham is 19 then his loan may be categorised as a Youth loan and not fall into the Standard loan limits.

Jimmy has mentioned in the Cunningham thread that overseas players don’t count in the loan number limits.

The regulations are rather labyrinthine.

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I've found a post on a Sheffield United website which may muddy the waters:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-514786.html

30th September 2009

"The Football League have now confirmed the situation regarding loans as follows:

Standard loans can be for half a season or a full season. These can only be done during the two transfer windows (i.e. by the end of today or in January 2010).

Emergency loans can be done outside of the transfer window, but not after the fourth Thursday in November or March.

A club can have a maximum of four players under 23 and a further four over 23 on standard loan during the season. There is no limit on Emergency Loans.

However, only four players maximum can join one club from another during the season.

A maximum of five loan players can be named on a team sheet. "

[davieG]

As far as I'm aware there is no distinction between types of loans other than those stated in this reply I got direct from the football league. The only thing that's changed is the matchday squad size.

Since season 2005/06 Football League clubs have been subject to FIFA's registration and transfer rules which included the introduction of transfer windows between the end of the season and 31st August and during the month of January, i.e. 1st to 31st.

The rules affected both permanent and loan transfers and in order to comply The League amended its own regulations governing this area. Previous restrictions on the length of loan periods were altered to allow players of all ages to be loaned from window to window for either a half or full season. Clubs are allowed to register a maximum of eight such signings, four under 23 and a further four over 23 in any season, with only two of the latter age group being allowed to come from the same club.

Additionally, The League, with the approval of the FA, made provision for clubs to take players on short term emergency loans during the closed periods in exceptional circumstances – there is no limit on the number of emergency loans.

As in previous seasons, no more than five loan players will be allowed to feature in a club's 16 man matchday squad.

The transfer deadline of the fourth Thursday in March in each season still applies.

The regulations are contained in The League's Handbook which is available to purchase from this office. Please advise if you would like to receive a publications pro-forma for the 2007/08 season.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Patricia Brown

Customer Services

The Football League

http://www.football-league.co.uk/

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As far as I'm aware there is no distinction between types of loans other than those stated in this reply I got direct from the football league. The only thing that's changed is the matchday squad size.

What do you think about Jimmy's comment that Vitor's loan doesn't count because he's a non-domestic player?

What was the date of the reply from the Football League that you quote from?

[Tricella]

I am a swede and a Villa fan in peace...

I am very pleased that SGE signed for Leicester and that he will now prove himself once and for all what a mastermind he is. I knew that he was going to sign quality players for your team and that he was going to sign players being the top of what you could get at the moment...being in a difficult situation at Championship level.

I am a huge fan of SGE, not only because I come from Sweden. I have always rated him and I believe that he has always had a very good relationship with the players he has had.

I have no doubt that SGE will bring happy days to LCFC if he is backed properly by the owners. I dont mean money throwing...because that is a myth about SGE I would love him to crash!

I was at VillaTalk before but I was harshly banned from that forum because I had my opinions on Martin O´Neill and that I would´ve rather seen SGE at Villa. I also wanted SGE at Villa this time too...but so far Gerard Houllier has been brilliant so I am happy with him.

Naughton and Davies was absolutely rocking against Hull for you and I know there is better to come from them when they´ve been settled.

I follow LCFC now as much as I follow AVFC. ;-)

[davieG]

What do you think about Jimmy's comment that Vitor's loan doesn't count because he's a non-domestic player?

What was the date of the reply from the Football League that you quote from?

From the football league website - http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20100801/section-6-players_2284800_2125731#51

I can't be arsed to read it all but feel free to let us know if it's changed

51. STANDARD, EMERGENCY AND YOUTH LOANS

51.1 Standard Loans.Subject to the provisions of Regulation 50.3, Standard Loan transfers shall only be approved in accordance with following provisions:

51.1.1 Subject to the proviso that the duration of a Standard Loan must be the time between two Transfer Windows, Standard Loans can be for half a Season or a full Season.Any recall clause requiring the early termination of a Standard Loan can only be included in a full Season Standard Loan and this can only be activated during the second (January) Transfer Window.

51.1.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 51.1.1, a Standard Loan of a goalkeeper (but not otherwise) may be subject to a recall clause exercisable at any time.Any recall may only be implemented in extenuating circumstances and with the consent of the Executive, such extenuating circumstances to be determined in the Executive's absolute discretion.A goalkeeper shall not be permitted to resume any Standard Loan following the exercise of a recall.

51.1.3 A Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 on a Standard Loan during any Season.The deadline for determining a Player's age in this respect shall be 30 June prior to the Season in which the Standard Loan is intended to take place.

51.1.4 No more than 2 Players who are over 23 may join one Club from another Club on a Standard Loan in any Season.

51.1.5 Standard Loans which subsequently become permanent transfers shall not count against a Club's quota of such Standard Loans for that Season.

51.2 Emergency and Youth Loans. Subject to the provisions of Regulation 50.3, Emergency Loan and Youth Loan transfers shall only be approved in accordance with the following provisions:

51.2.1 Emergency and Youth Loans are permitted both during the Transfer Windows and, subject to the provisions of Regulation 51.2.2, also during a Closed Period.

51.2.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 51.2.1, a Player cannot be registered on an Emergency Loan or Youth Loan:

(a) during the period of seven days after the end of a Transfer Window;

(b) in the first half of the Season, after 5pm on the fourth Thursday in November; and

© in the second half of the Season, after 5pm on the fourth Thursday in March

unless in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 52.

51.2.3 Only:

(a) Scholars who are in the second or third (if that option is exercised) year of their Scholarship Agreement; or

(b) Contract Players aged 20 or under on 1^st July immediately preceding the Season in question,

may be registered on a Youth Loan.

51.2.4 It shall be a condition of any Youth Loan involving a Scholar, or a Contract Player to whom Youth Rule 99 applies, that for the duration of the period of the Youth Loan the Player continues to fully comply with the programme of education in place for that Player.

51.2.5 A Player registered on a Youth Loan may, provided this is agreed between the two clubs and the Player, continue to train with and/or play for his loaning Club (or club) in any match other than matches played as part of the Premier League Competition, League Competition, League Cup, Football Association Challenge Cup or Football League Trophy (First Team Matches).Participation by the Player in First Team Matches for the loanee Club shall take precedence.

51.2.6 Any days on which the Player participates in a reserve team match and/or attends any training sessions for the loaning Club (or club)) shall still count towards the period of the Youth Loan.

51.2.7 Except for the specific circumstances provided for in Regulations 51.2.9,51.2.10 and 52, the minimum duration of any Emergency Loan and Youth Loan shall be 28 days and the maximum duration of an Emergency Loan is 93 days.The loan period is inclusive of the starting date and the finishing date.Youth Loans may not extend beyond the date of the Player's 21^st birthday.

51.2.8 Emergency Loans and Youth Loans may contain a break clause but only where that break clause is exercisable after the expiry of the initial 28 day period of the loan.

51.2.9 Emergency Loans involving goalkeepers (but not otherwise) may be subject to a recall clause within the first 28 days.Any recall may only be implemented in extenuating circumstances and with the consent of the Executive, such extenuating circumstances to be determined in the Executive's absolute discretion.

51.2.10 The Executive shall have discretion to extend the maximum duration of 93 days for an Emergency Loan in extenuating circumstances, such circumstances to be determined in the Executive's absolute discretion.

51.2.11 Subject to Regulation 51.2.12, where the Emergency Loan or Youth Loan of a Player expires (and is not renewed simultaneously) any subsequent Emergency Loan or Youth Loan of that Player to the same Club will be subject to a minimum duration of 28 days as set out in Regulation 51.2.7.

51.2.12 The cumulative total number of days of all Emergency Loans of one Player to the same Club may not exceed 93 days (unless extended by the Executive in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 51.2.10).

52. EMERGENCY LOAN OF GOALKEEPERS[/url]

<a name="52" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(62, 62, 62); text-decoration: none; ">If all the professional goalkeepers at a Club are either certified by an independent medical practitioner as being unfit to play or are suspended, a Club may register (either before or after the deadlines laid down in Regulation 51.2.2), a further goalkeeper on a short term Emergency Loan in accordance with the following provisions:

52.1 The Executive shall allow a Club to sign such a goalkeeper for a period of 7 days (notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 51.2.7), inclusive of the starting date and finishing date.

52.2 Any such short term Emergency Loan shall be subject to The League, in appropriate circumstances, having received (including by facsimile) the appropriate medical certificate(s) and the Executive having confirmed that the circumstances conform to the provisions of this Regulation.

52.3 The period of any short term Emergency Loan of a goalkeeper may be renewed for 7 days at a time but further medical certification must be provided on each occasion.

52.4 Any short term Emergency Loan in respect of the same goalkeeper may not exceed 93 days during any Season.

52.5 The provisions of Regulation 50.3.2 shall not apply to the Emergency Loan of a goalkeeper.

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From the football league website - http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20100801/section-6-players_2284800_2125731#51

I can't be arsed to read it all but feel free to let us know if it's changed

I was thinking that the reply from the Football League in your post #57 was still current and that's why you were quoting it as fact. Obviously I was wrong. If it wasn't fact what was the point of quoting it?

So, you don't know whether Vitor's loan falls within the quoted rules then?

[Alexikokopops]

I was thinking that the reply from the Football League in your post #57 was still current and that's why you were quoting it as fact. Obviously I was wrong. If it wasn't fact what was the point of quoting it?

So, you don't know whether Vitor's loan falls within the quoted rules then?

What an unnecessarily rude post

[The Doctor]

I was thinking that the reply from the Football League in your post #57 was still current and that's why you were quoting it as fact. Obviously I was wrong. If it wasn't fact what was the point of quoting it?

So, you don't know whether Vitor's loan falls within the quoted rules then?

how many times, It doesn't the loan rules only apply to players arriving from clubs in the same country as the loaning club.

[unreachable]

What an unnecessarily rude post

I asked davieG two questions neither of which were answered. He then replied with a link that was from my post.

It was a harsh post for which I apologise.

[unreachable]

how many times, It doesn't the loan rules only apply to players arriving from clubs in the same country as the loaning club.

There's no need to be so aggressive. I asked a question and you've answered it. Various other posters have been including Vitor in the loan numbers so not everyone is as clever as you.

[The Doctor]

There's no need to be so aggressive. I asked a question and you've answered it. Various other posters have been including Vitor in the loan numbers so not everyone is as clever as you.

from what i've seen, all the posts about vitor have said he doesn't count towards the loan numbers, where have you found this?

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from what i've seen, all the posts about vitor have said he doesn't count towards the loan numbers, where have you found this?

Have a look at Dylan's post #26 in the Cunningham thread and other posters were concerned about the number of players that could come on loan. A lot of posters weren't clear that you could have any number of emergency loan players and were confused between standard loan and emergency loan players.

Since you're obviously an expert can you find any authority about Vitor's loan not being included since I've googled and can't find find the answer?

[davieG]

I was thinking that the reply from the Football League in your post #57 was still current and that's why you were quoting it as fact. Obviously I was wrong. If it wasn't fact what was the point of quoting it?

So, you don't know whether Vitor's loan falls within the quoted rules then?

It was fact at the time I received it, but when raised the issue of Vitor for which there was no reference in my original reply from the FL and your other question re how long ago it was I felt I ought to look for 'newer' information which I found but when I saw how long it was I could not be bothered to analyse it all to give you the answers you were looking for and which you seemed overly keen to find out about so I posted what I thought would be the latest information, you obviously didn't appreciate my efforts so next time I'll leave you to do your own research.

[unreachable]

I've been trying to find some authority for Vitor's loan not counting in the number of Standard Loans allowed during a season and the nearest authority I can find is a reference to Norwich City in the 2008/2009 season where foreign players were NOT included

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/7637778.stm

"26.9.2008

Norwich City have been able to exploit a loophole in Football League rules this season to increase the number of loan players in their matchday squad.

However loans from foreign clubs are not recognised by the League and so the Canaries have effectively signed John Kennedy from Celtic and Fiorentina striker Arturo Lupoli with the understanding they will return to their clubs at the end of their spells at Carrow Road."