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After I bought my tickets a week or so ago, I could see the 3 game Europa league package appeared on my Personal Details i.e. on the Welcome tab (bottom right along with season ticket details), and also on the Season Ticket tab (again along with my season ticket details). I received an email yesterday reminding me I have until 5pm Sunday to buy my tickets (which I ignored having already bought them), but now if I log on, the Europa League package is no longer displayed in either of the 2 places it used to be. As well as disappearing from those places, there's no evidence of it anywhere. It's not in the history tab, not in the tickets tab. I do however have the email confirmation and the cash has been taken from my bank account. Is that how it is for everyone? Is there any way I see see via the website confirmation that I have bought my seats?

I was hoping the FA Cup and Charity Shield would be paraded at the game yesterday, would have been nice to have Top (if he was there, or maybe Wes Morgan if he wasn't) walking around with the trophies before kick-off, or maybe at half time. Hopefully it's something that the club are planning at a game in the near future. I was lucky enough to be at Wembley for both those games, but there are a lot of people that weren't so it would be nice to give them the chance to see the trophy.

There's not many empty seats at Man city's league games though is there? It's only cup games and some champions league games where they dont sell. We shouldn't be looking to expand to a capacity that is the lowest where we are guarenteed to sell out against the lower teams. Its not a disaster if not every game is a complete sell out. Sound like you'd prefer to stay at 32000 because when we play someone like crystal palace after raising it to 40000 there may be 1500 empty seats. In that case we'll never move on from where we are, and our 3 main regional rivals, all currently a division lower, would have bigger stadiums (in Forest's case soon). I'm fine with the initial 40000, but wouldnt like the work to be done in a way that prevents future expansion if demand is there. It would only take a modest further expansion to take us bigger than Juve and PSG in terms of stadium.

We won't be trying to shift 8000 tickets though. The work will increase corporate availability and so in reality the available increase for regular supporters will be less than that. Even discounting that, 8000 seats would mean the season ticket cap could be raised by approx. 5000, and they will sell, no doubt about that. At most there will only be 3000 extra tickets available per game, which wouldn't be hard to shift, even against the likes of Burnley.

When they reduced the family end and made the blocks nearest to the away end available to everyone, I felt at the time that this was being done so it would be easy to shift the away section along a bit once the east stand is revamped. Wouldn't surprise me if it happened.

Been back a few hours, but still got the adrenaline flowing through me, been lying awake for an hour, can't sleep, and my throat feels shredded. Just keep reliving that moment when the net bulged, what a feeling. It was carnage, there were legs in the air in the rows in front. Then the torture of those last few minutes. Wow, we've done it!

Just got mine too!

Yeah W.

I've not!

Anyone know about these pcr tests we're supposed to be doing before the game and 5 days after. Will they be automatically posted to us or are we supposed to be doing something to arrange them ourselves?

Yeah the Stretton one is the one I was thinking of, as its local (I'm just off tutbury road). Signs outside say no booking required so I'll probably pop down when I get chance maybe sat morning and check I can definitely get a test there next Thurs pm and that they do the right sort of tests. Not gonna stick my name on here! Not from Burton originally and don't know so many people here so we probably don't know each other!

Luckily I was number 30ish in the queue and got straight in, once in then it's as normal, didn't see seats vanishing from the seat map so not many people in at once. Had a quick look around, most blocks had around 300 seats left apart from those near the halfway line. Every other seat is available so there'll be a 1 seat gap between everyone.

I'm in Burton too. Do you have any idea which test centres in or around Burton do the correct test that we need?

Today's Premier League meeting is pivitol. If, by whatever means, those clubs are given a clear choice of Premier league OR super league, and they opt to leave, then football will recover. There may be a short term hit from TV income etc. But Manchester is too big a city to not have domestic football, Liverpool/London will have enough demand for it. Supporters of those clubs will still want to see their team live playing other clubs within this country. New phoenix clubs will form, within a decade they could conceivably work their way back, and that's enough time to build/find a stadium big enough. FC United have a headstart in this respect. The alternative is that the leagues appease them, they continue in a league with funding that will ensure that the league is weighted in their favour, and those clubs will between them be running a league that other clubs aspire to join. That will ensure that ultimately the other clubs will have to concede the power to them for controlling domestic football, as they showed a few months back is their intention. Once that happens, you can be sure that they will then start to hoover up all the domestic revenue for themselves, similar to how its been in Spain for years, there will also be a reduction in the size of the Premier league to reduce the amount of domestic games to allow them to increase their euro fixtures. Plus I'd expect them to be selling premier league 'home' games to the highest bidder amongst cities around the world. The Premier league/fa need to hold there nerve. There's a chance hid to rid English football of some of its worst parasites in one go, and cleanse the whole lot up, or they can relent and then it will be ruined permanently.

There's a big difference between a refund, and the deposit getting carried over into next season, they are 2 different things. There's still no change from the original conditions. If you pay the £70 deposit, and season tickets do not resume until next season, and you then decide you DON'T want to renew, then you will not get your £70 back. That hasn't changed, and that is only only situation where refunds could potentially have applied (not this season because if season tickets resume this season those who paid the deposit have already committed to it and will be obliged to pay the pro-rata remainder). For those that DO intend to renew next season in the event of normal resumption then, the original info didn't state whether or not the deposit would carry over, some assumed it did, and some assumed it didn't (hence the outcry). The club then confirmed that it did, although that has nothing to do with refunds, which still won't be given. Nothing has changed from the original communication except clarification over this point, and the option to split the deposit into 2 payments of £35.

Another nomination for Gerry Taggart from me. Thought he was a complete donkey when he joined. Didn't have a great start but turned out to be a great signing.

It didn't state anywhere it was non-transferable though. It said it was non refundable, as is still the case. If we don't reach full capacity this season, then anyone who's paid their £70 and subsequently decides not to renew next season won't get their £70 back. That hasn't changed as far as I can see For those that do renew next season in that scenario, it didn't state that the £70 would be credited towards it, but neither did it say that it wouldn't. It probably wouldn't have, but it didn't say that. The wording maybe implied it wouldn't, but equally the lack of any mention of it means some may assume that it would. They've now clarified that it does, so I don't see why people still have a problem with it.

Having just read the section in the faq page again, there's actually nothing to suggest that it doesn't carry over to next season, and continue to act as a deposit. All its saying is that once you pay your £70 deposit, if it turns out there's no fully capacity this season, you won't get a refund. It doesn't say that it won't continue to act as a deposit for a season ticket whenever they are available again. It could actually be implying that if you pay your deposit this season, and full capacity doesn't return within the season, and then you subsequently decide you don't want to renew next season, then you won't get a refund. However, it's missing a sentence to indicate what happens to the £70 for those that do want to renew beyond this season (assuming no full capacity this season). "Your initial payment secures you the right to obtain entry to the ballot for match-by-match tickets while the stadium is at reduced capacity, and (subject to payment of any applicable balance) it also secures your Season Ticket for any games which are played in season 2020/21 with the stadium at full capacity. The initial payment is not refundable if no games are played at full-capacity in season 2020/21."

Doesn't need to be today, as the only change needed is to allow the £70 to count as a deposit for full season ticket renewal beyond this season, rather than only this season. They could make that change weeks from now, doesn't need to be before people start paying the £70. I don't think anyone has any issue with paying a £70 deposit up front, it's the fact that it seemingly won't carry over beyond this season that's the problem.

The really big problem with this situation, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, is when the stadium reverts back to full capacity. Let's say, hyperthetically, that happened in January. All those that paid their £70 will then be expected to pay up the remaining £250 or whatever. What happens though with all those, maybe elderly or vulnerable, that still don't want to risk it? The club wont want several thousand empty seats every game. 2 obvious options: 1) Renew and start going again 2) Decide not to renew and lose your season ticket, despite paying the £70. Will the club provide an option to defer renewal, free up the seat for general sale for half a season or more, then allow the original season ticket holder to reclaim it the following season? I hope so. It would benefit all as the club could make a little extra selling that seat at match day rates for a while. However, if people have to choose, mid-season at short notice, between renewing and risking their health, or not renewing and losing their season ticket, it wouldn't be good.

Sounds good but it depends on how their ballot will work. If everyone can enter every ballot, then some fans could get to see a lot more games than others. Leicester are the only club so far that I've seen are using a games cycle ballot to ensures everyone, if they want, is guaranteed a ticket to at least 1 in every x games, and everyone will be entitled to the same number of games. That's a much fairer system than a free for all that I suspect some clubs will have. Having said that, for all I know, every club is using a games cycle system. I don't know. Edited to say that I think the Lcfc system is the best way to do it, don't agree with the non refundable aspect though. As far as I'm concerned, that's all they need to re-think.

I actually think the club have got it almost right. Apart from the £70 being non-refundable. If they revised it so that it carries over to next season or beyond if they have to operate indefinitely on a reduced capacity, then I think that it would be as good a solution as possible. I don't mind so much having to pay normal match day prices so much, as the club have to recoup some money sonehow from what they will be losing from attendances being about 70% down for maybe the whole season. Its only what non season ticket holders have to always pay anyway. One problem they need to to overcome is how to determine how many of those that pay the retainer are actually intending to enter the ballot, because they need to know that before they know the length of each game cycle.

I wasn't far off with my suggestion, apart from I missed off the £70 retainer, and I spelt ballot wrong.

If its £50m, potentially more, I'm happy with that. Between the 2 penalty areas down that left flank, he's probably one of the best there is (apart from when he's controlling the ball out of play for an opposition throw in) . However, when he's at either end of the pitch he's average. Defensively, he's done regularly by anyone with any pace, strength or skill, and is usually awol when defending the far post. Going forward, he either floats the ball aimlessly across (although that may work better with giroud or Abraham), or stops and plays it backwards. Whether or not he'll be missed will depend on who they replace him with. There's some better players out there, but also some worse.

If capacity is around 9000 and season ticket holders get 90% of those that's approx 8000. If the majority of season ticket holders pay the £70 then, that's 24000 people eligible per cycle, so each cycle will be 3 games. So it'll be 1 in 3 games which if it lasts for the full season will be 5 or 6 games, bearing in mind we can't attend until at least October. What they don't know is how many will apply for games within each cycle. If its only 16000 of those 24000, then the first 2 games will have 8000 sth each, and none at the 3rd! After the ballot, I guess if applications are less than 8000 then they'll open it up so that those who have already bought a ticket for a game within the cycle can go to another, or maybe members will get a bigger allocation.