cityfanlee23

It wouldn't surprise me if we aren't just leaving it up to christmas crackers at this rate

Kingy is a nice thought but I don’t want to kill his management career before its started, I’d prefer to see him become the next assistant and begin a process of promoting from within once the next manager moves on. I think the most realistic prospect we have right now is going to be a friend or contact of whoever the technical director will be.

There is only one scenario where JJ stays and that’s if we get into the playoffs and go up, which is completely impossible under Cifuentes. Every single day we continue on this path, is another day closer to JJ getting a prem move and us missing out on a having a player that could literally captain us in the top flight for the foreseeable future.

I need you to promise me you’ll reply with this every time I mention his name

Well, we aren't going to get hammered by a cricket score so might aswell hope that we equalise, fml, another 4+ weeks of this to come.

I'm being delusional, a line followed by smelling salts couldn't wake this board up.

HAHAHAHAHAH I genuinely love this decision, Skipp at CB could genuinely be the decision that wakes this board out of its coma. Honking decision. I genuinely want us to concede another 5 goals now.

Warnock (Actually want him if we can't get a more permanent manager in just for the stability and half time screaming) Hassenhuttl Adi Hutter (would need to sell a player to fund a big wage) Bo Svensson Henrik Rydstrom Carrick Mowbray

If we sack TODAY, the new manager will have potentially 2-3 weeks to analyse us before January.

I'd snap your arm off for Neil Warnock kicking tables over in the dressing room.

We are fully in the territory where those still wanting to give MC time are just as culpible for him remaining as the board are. The recent John Rudkin controversy with the fans singing quite vile things proves that the board do actually hear us, they just don't often listen, but they cannot ignore us. MC doesn't have the capacity to set us up for a game, or even get the players fired up. Players need a massive rocket, he isn't giving it to them, and as long as the players are under contract we cannot dither with someone who can't get them going. I'd genuinely rather lose this game 7-0 and force the sacking than us come back and win. If we somehow come back to draw 2-2 or even win 3-2, it just buys MC time, and that would be a far bigger cost to us than being embarrassed today and pulling the trigger.

Really hoping Tanganga has a bad game, has quite a big ceiling imo and i've wanted us to sign him for a few years now when he was at spurs/milwall.

Yep, we have moments where Fatawu has 3 players around him, and on the other side Mavididi is in miles of space, all we need is a fast ball from Fatawu into either Winks or Vestergaard and a first time pass to Mavididi and we will have our opponents absolutely all over the place scrambling to get into position and making mistakes. Instead it takes us 10 passes to get the ball from 1 wing to the other. Kompany has adapted his game to include these types of fast diagonal passes, Bayern’s goal vs Arsenal was a perfect example of just a long diagonal ball resulting in a goal.

It’s a running theme with possession managers. Marti with us, there were times under Enzo that we simply were not good enough to do what he wanted us to do, but he continued on regardless. Russell Martin did the same at Southampton, Kompany at Burnley.

I said in the off season (from behind the sofa) that I wouldn't be massively angry if we kept him on, he had flaws and he was working with a mess of a squad (as is Marti) but I think the big issue he caused was his attitude towards players, we had a serial winner and elite former player as manager who had played at the biggest clubs on earth, who immediately and publicly spoke about a mentality problem, vs a bunch of modern whiny players that didn't want to be here after Enzo left. He seemed to get on well with the likes of Vardy and a few other players, the ones he didn't seem to get on with are the ones we all want to see the back of. I'd have much preferred to have seen where we would be under Ruud, with him personally giving players their marching orders, there is no way the likes of Winks would have stuck around if RVN was still here.

It has got to the point that I genuinely think it would be a massive upgrade for both the watching fans and for the direction of the club if we gave the job to Allardyce or Warnock.

Even if we did, it would take us 17 passes to get the ball over there.

The fact he can't work it out is the thing that's the most surprising. If you gave this squad back to Enzo he would have JJ and whoever is at right back overlapping constantly to give Fatawu space, and if you gave this squad to Tony Mowbray, at the very least, the Right back would overlap consistently. They have two wildly different approaches to football, but both of them are competent enough to know that if the opposition are doubling/trebling up on a single player, you utilise an overlap to either create space for them, or provide an easy through ball f they don't track the overlapping runner. You could give this squad to just about any competent manager who isn't wedded to a single ideology and they would improve the impact of our attackers overnight.

Honestly, can't wait. Would rather sit on my phone than watch us atm.

I sympathise with this point, but there has to be a balance between us as a fanbase knowing the squad has many rubbish players, and the manager needs to show us why he is the one we can trust to rebuild at one of the most important periods in the clubs history. Right now the opposite is happening.

Can we get in touch with Ant & Dec and see if they want to re-release we're on the ball for LCFC? It's Faes to Vesty, Vesty to Bego, Bego to Ricky, Ricky to Faes! Faes into JJ, JJ to Winksy, Winksy to Vesty, own goal! 5-1!

Just praying that the Rangers owners have one more rash decision in them Then we can finally put this 8 year experiment to bed and start to play exciting football.

Yep we were struggling under Ruud, but he identified the culture problem and was actively taking strong action to show his intent to fix it, he didn't just roll over and immediately give in to player power. We also had somewhat of a system, especially in transition, he had a lot of flaws, but towards to the end of the season albeit too late, we put in some massively improved performances, performances that we are not even 10% near under Cifuentes, with much of the same players, at a drastically lower level. I'm not saying RVN would have been the best choice, but we've somehow managed to find a downgrade.

Have to be honest i'm surprised because I usually agree with most of what you say, I know we have problems beyond the manager, but Guardiola would have this squad absolutely miles clear of where we are now. I do get your point and I hope you're being hyperbolic, but the manager can make an absolutely massive difference in making the exact same player play 5% better.

No, but it gives us more of a chance to stay in the division to fix them. Right now we are declining rapidly, all players have clearly lost belief in whatever the hell MC is trying to do, and at a time where our players are at their lowest confidence and morale is low, we could get a massive points deduction. It's as much a gamble keeping him on than letting him go at this point. It doesn't take a huge shift in the general environment around the club for a club like us to suddenly start doing a Luton or Sheffield United earlier in the season, this could spiral out of control very quickly.