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It’s to do with brown envelopes before covid (so not psr related)

Yes this is correct BUT what if by the time they issue the sanction (at the end of April ?) we are 9 points ahead of third place? from their perspective, a good outcome is we can take the points this season and still go up. then there is no PL sanction to be applied next season. We trade a few players in June and don’t break EFL ffp to end June 2024. Case closed! of course the strong likelihood is that we appeal and PL points sanction gets pushed back to next season. BUT what is the legal position of a championship points sanction being rolled over to the premier league on appeal ?? There is no precedent. It’s a big risk for them to do it so maybe they aren’t in such a strong position if they’re looking at doing it. Hence our comments yesterday about taking action that is unlawful outside jurisdiction of those taking it. I also wonder if we had factored into all of this that we would be so far clear come April that we would be able to take a points deduction this season if the worst happened ??

We think that the is no mechanism for PL sanctions to be applied in the EFL. We had better hope that our legal advice is watertight ……

They might try and rush through the hearing and issue the penalty - it could be that there is something in place whereby the efl can try to impose a PL sanction. Perhaps our attempts to find loopholes has encouraged them to try and impose sanctions in any case and see what happens. but we would appeal and the length of time that takes would go beyond the season end it would be a mess UNLESS we finished the season 7 points ahead of third place my mind goes back to the end of the Bournemouth game last season. Susan Whelan was ashen faced as she walked past me. They really were living in cloud cuckoo land ……..

I will be seeing an Evertonian mate of mine later he's been crying about their points deduction from day 1 I shall take the moral high ground - break the rules and take your medicine

I think that was for signing kids from abroad ???

I assumed we had a decent defence re legal loopholes etc Reading that it could be that ‘we’re upset that the rules stifle ambition’ is a little concerning …….

Yes but that’s a separate enquiry which doesn’t fall under the same season rules that psr does. They haven’t breached psr - yet

Chelsea have to meet the current 3 year rolling rules for this season ending June 30. They did to end June 2023. the clubs will no doubt vote in July to change the rules if it suits them - and I reckon at least 14 will do that. so Chelsea have to find £125m+ of profit (inc amortisation ) on sales this June or they will be charged next March. But they may not suffer anything beyond that if the rule change suits their poor financial position. . Under the existing rules they would need to perform the same trick next season aswell re player sales. Man City have 115 charges. That’s a mistake to begin with. Was always going to take a long time because they aren’t basic spend issues. They relate to ‘dodgy’ sponsorship deals and their place in accounts. Trying to prove that people have lied or behaved dishonestly isn’t easy because ultimately, you need to be able to prove it in a court which is going to be v difficult without strong evidence. If that existed then this would have been dealt with already.

accounts now required to run in line with seasons from player contract start date 1st July to 30th June. We don’t have to file our accounts to end June 2023 until end March 2024 re companies house requirements the PL require sight of those audited accounts by 31 dec as per new rules established July 2023. the efl require management accounts for the current season sometime in the autumn. This will show them the situation to end June and also the likelihood of conforming with psr in the ongoing season.

better not to attend the home games against them. imagine stadiums 90% empty - that really won’t work for the brand on tv around the world

don’t get mentioned at all ? so Man City’s 115 charges must be a mirage …… they won’t just disappear. They will have to be dealt wit( eventually. Way more complex than just spending too much chelsea are in the dirt next season if they don’t sell a shed load of home grown taken this June.

Can only assume that the club were advised it was actually possible for a prem league points deduction to be applied in the championship and therefore best to keep 22/23 hidden till March 1st when they’d have to be revealed to the football league. BUT that wouldn’t give enough time for us to be charged and then heard and then appealed before end of the season by thr PL. that also explains why we fought to stop the efl seeing our management accounts for this season last autumn (cos that would also have alerted the PL if the EFL had passed them on). There must have been a good reason for all this ‘skullduggery’ - otherwise why not just give the prem the accounts at the end of December if we weren’t concerned that we could be punished this season.

Yeah - just listened to that so the efl passed our numbers on which has led the epl to raise the charge. I do wonder if the expected numbers to end June 24 would have included enough detail to end June 23 for the PL to have worked out that we’d breached. you’d have to assume yes or they’d wait till end of the month when the accounts will be filed at companies house

I’m intrigued we didn’t provide the PL with our accounts end dec as they expected us to so they didn’t have the evidence they needed to charge us we still haven’t filed out accounts when did we have to give the efl our expected numbers to end June 24 ? I’m thinking about now?? My point is where have the epl got our numbers from in order to charge us ?? If the efl have passed them over to the epl then I suspect that must have been a couple, weeks ago when the news leaked out that we had failed prem psr for last year to end June.

Definitely we think we have loopholes to exploit Just as our admin 20 years ago brought about the 12 point deduction rule, so this scenario will bring the EFL and EPL together to make agreements that bring the rules into line timing wise on relegated/promoted clubs and sanctions will be applicable in both leagues. If we manage to avoid sanctions on legal technicalities we will not be very popular out there …….

Reform and the tories together = 34% if they do a deal (perhaps also allow a few of them to stand in some uncertain seats with no Tory candidate ) then labour cannot be too blasé about a big majority still time to drop the ball

I’m guessing that he has a release clause if we dont go up set at his amortised value this June same with coady surely their agents are good enough to have sorted that out for them ?

There are no mixed signals over Hamas - the issue is how the civilian population is treated. they have stated that an operation against rafah is a red line for them. The fact that the IDF hasn’t gone in already shows that despite netenyahu’s bluster, I reckon Israel are trying to get Hamas to agree the 40 day ceasefire to get the majority of the hostages out. The threats are to keep the pressure on hamas. I had read that the Americans had put enough pressure on the Qataris to tell the Hamas top brass that they would be kicked out of Qatar if Hamas didn’t soften their ceasefire demands

Selling all of those three would offer very little. We’d struggle to break even on psr with soutta4 and VK ref amortisation

We've all had to suffer the entire 45 pages ......... (which would effectively have fitted into 3 pages if stuff wasn't repeated every other page )

I suspect that the reason for this is that sanctions should be applied in the season following the breach. But I believe that there is currently no agreement between the leagues for this to apply in a different division. Hence a club breaking championship psr cannot have points deducted in the PL if they are promoted and vice versa. Presumably breaking the rules in the period ending June ‘23 gives us a sporting advantage in the current season? The assets we have could be argued to have been accumulated whilst we broke psr. I reckon if we don’t break championship psr in this single season we could easily argue that out but there is no way that we don’t lose more than £13m this season, irrespective of sales made in June 2024. I don’t see that argument by our competitors stacking up.

Have we never bought a player from a lower league club where we pushed through a good deal for us because they needed cash ?

It’s still a three year rolling period just that the punishment now has to be in the season following the rolling three year breach. Everton failed 19/20 to 21/22 and were punished. They have now failed 20/21 to 22/23 so have been charged again. But it’s in the same season as the previous sanction due to the change in the timing of rule application as you pointed out. as I understand it, their punishment cannot be for the first two years of the period because they’ve already had a sanction for that. ( no double jeopardy). So expect their new points deduction to be in the region of two points (assuming they have been compliant with the investigation)

To be fair that’s a consequence of reform’s vote share increase