BenTheFox

Giving him a new contract was one thing, not sending him out on loan to the championship so he can get regular minutes is pure madness.

I know he's bad, but he wasn't responsible for any of their goals tonight. I'd be far more concerned about the some of the players that were out there that play for us somewhat regularly,

More so than during the mid 2000s?

I don't think he's a completely hopeless football manager. Give him a decent championship side and he'd get them into the play-offs at least. I just don't think he's a premier league manager. I think he was appointed with one eye on the championship. We've been given a lifeline by escaping a points deduction and with that we have to make the most of our opportunity.

We have five centre halves in the squad that don't even make one decent defender. They're all calamitous.

Just the one hatrick at home, I take it? Pretty sure he scored a hatrick away at Man City in the 5-2 win and in the 9-0 win away at Southampton.

Hence why we are bottom in pretty much all of the metrics i.e. shots faced, shots taken, xG for and against. The underlying data suggests that we should have fewer points than we do. The way we're playing isn't sustainable. The same could be said of Forest under Cooper. They sacked him, got a better manager in and haven't looked back.

This is the follow up point that I was going to make. In terms of being enough to stay in the league, they've got that mastered. However, they've not really offered much to the league. They've finished in the top half twice in those 11 years, and that was 10th on both occasions.

Funny thing is though, had we sacked Rodgers in January 2023 and brought in Dyche instead of Everton getting held of him, we may have been sniggered by footballing snobs, but we would have stayed in the league.

It's genuinely impressive that Crystal Palace, probably the third or fourth smallest club in the Premier League, have stayed up for 11 years. I think they've had the perfect recruitment strategy i.e. signing players that are good enough for the Premier League but not good enough to play for one of the top sides. Therefore, they're not losing their players to bigger clubs and not having offer massive contracts to stave off interest. Think about it, you can count the number of big player sales they've made on one hand.

The same Sean Dyche that has managed more than 7 seasons at this level and even managed to get Burnley to qualify for Europe one season. I really don't understand the lack of respect. I'd have everyday of the week if it was a straight choice between him and Cooper.

Darude - Sandstorm

That's true. I unquestionably do. What I mean is that our performances have been consistently poor and that I don't think the way that we're playing is sustainable. Steve Cooper tried arguing the opposite, but I think we've got more points than our performances deserve. I was obviously very happy with our win against Southampton but for the majority of the time when it was 11 vs 11, they looked better than us.

Hard to see anything different happening. We may be five points clear of the bottom three but I'm actually not convinced that any team has played as consistently poorly as we have this season, including Southampton. If it doesn't change, it will catch up with us, if it isn't already. Wolves will start picking up results when they play more teams in the bottom half and I think Palace will probably have enough. Everton could start on -50 points and still find a way out of it. I used to hate when people just predicted that the three promoted sides would be relegated because I saw it as lazy, but now I can't blame anyone for it. It's really bad for the league if for two years running the three promoted sides go straight back down.

Tottenham were beyond pathetic in that game. Ange surely under pressure after that.

They also have 21 minutes of added time in the West Ham game....

Can't rely on Tottenham to do us a favour. Look very poor today.

I'd be more than happy with it. We don't need an exciting appointment, we need a conpetent one. Nuno wasn't an exciting appointment for Forest, but he's turned out to be ideal for them.

Every goal we conceded was preventable. However, the difference in quality between the two managers was very evident. They shut us down perfectly in the second half. It's no coincidence that they've gone from strength to strength and haven't looked back since sacking Cooper and replacing him with a decent manager at this level.

Reminds me of this bar in Belfast where the landlord has barred people for ordering cokes. His stance is that they're there to sell Guinness and Whisky. He's been given the title 'The Grumpiest barman in Northern Ireland'. On a separate note, it all became it little bit less funny when he had to to pay £6,500 to a customer after he said 'I don't serve protestants'.

This is my final rant... I know it's always been there bubbling under surface but the way that conspiracies have now become mainstreamed into Western right-wing politics is very noticeable and frankly terrifying. The conspiracy theory about the World Economic Forum might be the most insane one to be mainstreamed yet. The idea that the World Economic Forum exists to turn everyone into communists, to turn your children trans and make you eat bugs etc. Is absolute madness. It is purely an organisation for corporations to influence government policy to increase their profits. Corporations trying to influence government policy to increase profits at the expense of anyone has always existed. If you think that's bad and that you have an issue with it, you've actually got an issue with free market capitalism, you just don't realise it.

Here's my other take. This one far more palatable than a sweeping generalisation against an entire generation... neoliberalism has done far more to undermine British culture and British identity than the increase in immigration. It always makes me laugh when people refer to Margaret Thatcher as a 'true Conservative'. The policies that she implemented were completely at odds with the concept of conserving community and identity.

It was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I absolutely loathe the attitude that so many boomers, particularly right wing boomers, have that younger generations are 'lazy' and that maybe they'd be able to afford a house if they cancelled their Netflix subscriptions and stopped eating avocado on toast, despite average house prices now being nine times the average salary when they could buy a house for under £20,000 in 1985. I especially hate how do many boomers jump to the conclusion that if someone is struggling financially, it's all their own fault and that they feckless when in truth people have seen serious wage stagnation, huge hikes in energy bills and are often having to pay extortionate rents to parasite private landlords. Just wish they'd show a little bit of contrition and accept that the world that millenials and zoomers have inherited is nothing like the one they were living in when they were younger.

If I ever got into power, I'd freeze every boomer's bank account and make them work in Tesco and rent from a private landlord for six months, just to teach them to have some empathy. It's the only form of national service I'm interested in.

I agree. Not at all bothered about the Champions League. I paid far more attention to the Championship games last night.