grobyfox1990

Great shout on the last sentence. On the penultimate para, I’m interested in how it became impossible to argue them back the other way. Was it through being constantly demeaned by people you know are just as normal as you are? Dunno

Was the other topic the baby boomers? I agree with you. IMO we are all responsible for the rise of populist thinking, and if we don't like, we have to do something about it!!! You can't lose the argument and then tell the other side it's their fault you lost for being too stupid. Gives me Ben Chilwell celebrating being MoTM after a 3-1 defeat to Swansea type vibes. STFU, you lost the argument, change, now. I am anti-trump, brexit, Tory, reform as I suspect much of this thread is. Why can't we put our ego aside and admit not everyone is 'stupid' for going the populist way, and do something about it instead? Existentially, Britain is a really interesting country in that way. Only place in my mind where you'll have dudes living wholly unremarkable suburban public sector two up two down lives preaching to each other and calling each other stupid. In other countries it's usually big city professionals talking down to ruralites. No idea how this attitude has infected our country.

Just to make it clear 'they should though' is in relation to becoming rich working for the NHS. They should become rich working for the NHS, should be the highest standard of care, attracting the absolute best people across the world.

Thanks for that, good analysis, had no idea

Where did they make it clear? I’ve barely glanced at the manifestos, what’s the deal with what you mention above edit - noting the accusatory tone of this thread, my question is genuine! Not trying to honeytrap you into an answer. Actually interested.

The brexit vote of 2016 was a personality vote, no doubt about that. Plenty of people may have tried to reason but they did a terrible job, it was an overwhelmingly and materially an ‘us against them’ argument to the average man. If you were met with project fear arguments in 2016, meet them back with your grounded arguments? If enough people did this, it wouldn’t have turned into a reality contest. The arrogance of brits does not allow us to stick to grounded arguments. It will always turn to emotion and mudslinging. This thread is presumably a microcosm of many threads happening now. Reform = stupid. Arrogance and superiority complexes are at the heart of the average British personality, imo due to empire thinking. No one has thought that ‘none of it sinks in’ because you’re presenting a sh1t and weak argument?

There doesn’t need to be. 8 years on from brexit the British public are too arrogant to have learned anything from it. Your post inadvertently sums it up. If you’re on the fence about voting one way or the other, being called ‘stupid enough’ by another member of the 99% of the world to have achieved nothing remarkable in their life is only gonna entrench your view. People don’t like being preached to, they like being listened to, farage gives that illusion. Unfortunately the holier than thou nature and superiority complex is in the British persona, prob a legacy from when ‘we ruled the waves’

@MarshallForEngland before the internet pile on forces you out of here would be genuinely interested in why I suspect you’re going to vote reform, with no judgment in return

They should though. Teachers and medics are the most important people on the planet. It seems that any old mug with a BA from university of dover and left and right tattooed on the relevant hand can become a teacher now. Don’t want a drop in standards in medics, PAs are already starting to creep in. Just pay them properly

Hahah, apart from the huge, highlighted and capitalised INDEPENDENT in the leaflet, I'd assume everyone in his constituency will know he is an independent or must be an ostrich. Second paragraph also clearly states that he is an independent. Weird thing to get angry and sweary about

$$$$$$ to be made

Yeh agreed, it defo doesn’t appear to be any better in other countries. I work quite closely with Italian colleagues, on Friday morning after the 1-0 Spain defeat they were saying the newspapers were stating the team are a national disgrace. What would they think of our last two performances against limited opposition!

Hugh Jass, plays for PNE (pies normally eaten). Otherwise, my memory of that farmers market league was deleted on May 5

Ofc it’s not. The championship is a horrible standard of football which has just been witnessed by us all. We need to make significant improvements across the entire football operation if we are to compete this coming season.

Agreed. Ofc last season we started off by getting two late goals to win the match after having no pre season. But then we were playing in an amateur league so we were always going to be far fitter than the fat part timers we were up against. This season we are playing professional football. If we play like we did against cov, we will be spanked. Thorough work needed

Ok damn it. That’s me… plenty of moaning. Did pay it 😞

Don’t think we sold out either of our charity shield matches? Even with it on general sale which apparently allows the hundreds of thousands of city fans to access matches. I agree, a flexible approach to the charity shield host venues sounds good, this coming from someone who didn’t qualify for a ticket to the cup final in 2021. There’s no way Man U v Man City should at Wembley in august, pointless exercise other than to grab money

Nah, everyone will just keep saying ‘the game is gone’ online over and over again. Whilst renewing their STs of course

That is absolutely fantastic. Once again confirms the principle that markets move quicker than regulation. Hats off

Hahaha my colleague at work has been showing us everyday. It is insane!!! It’s my first dose of social media conspiracy theories.

Sounds great, I think I have been to the Royal Oak in Marylebone, down a side street? I defo did not have a Harvey's though, love their cask. Enjoy your day

This tournament has been wonderfully entertaining. On and off the field

Except these idiots at JSO will be seen as part of the problem. When they do things like this to farm Insta likes, create branding opportunities and partnerships, get into the media and appear on podcasts to line their own pockets, it makes the work of us who are actually trying to change standards that much harder. Quite rightly, these PR stunts turn people off the core message, and tar everyone who is working in climate adaptation and resilience with the same brush. JSO care about short-term branding opportunities and media coverage to create revenue streams, NOT the whole planet burning.

Kante was outstanding last night

Hopefully some fun cities in Europe