LCFCJohn

What’s he saying?

I’ve never found myself actively wanting us not to win. At this stage it would just delay the inevitable and paper over cracks. Honestly I just want it (and the rest of the season) to be as disgusting as the rest of it has been. A valiant end of the season would just mean Top and the KP hardcore will completely forget what came before. Not that the KP hardcore even care anyway.

Got to love the level of hypocrisy Make a point to try and take the high ground. But completely misses the point and does the exact same they are accusing others of just in reverse. As you say, they took the plaudits when we were doing well. What people like Onions are saying is that we should have given them all the credit, worshipped them when it was going well but they get an opened ended free pass to do what they want, take us down the leagues without a bad word said!

A fictional scenario of course but who would even want to stay up on like 20 points, by default in those circumstances? It would be embarrassing.

Way to take me picking up on your grammar personally . Let me break it down. Yes, I’m sure they have done more than others (although if you break down the ownership of Vichai and Top separately that is not the case). However, that does not give him the right to do what he is now doing. Anyway I get it, you are clearly materials good oriented so you just see the training ground. Others of us value the culture of the club and the identity being what we know and love and that has been ripped out. I’ll give you the academy by the way but it’ll be no good when we lose them all for a pittance because we have dropped down the league.

You only actually asked one question (using a question mark) which I answered but presumably you mean the bit about the other families with is a statement not a question as you did not use a question mark. The probably haven’t but that does not given them the right to do what they are now doing then I disagree. We are now in a seemingly endless battle against PSR and importantly, the culture of the club is rotten to the core and I value culture and identity over material goods like the ones you have listed.

Just explain to me, in a way that I can say ‘ok, yeah I get this point of view, fair enough’. Why does this make everything they are now doing ok? Simple question. Oh and the very nature of your reply shows you are in fact worshipping the owner and family rather than showing an interest in the future of the club.

Ooh you top supporter you Enjoy worshipping Top with whatever cheap treat he is bribing you off with this time!

Yeah because those who want the club to be run sensibly and sustainably, have a squad of players and manager who actually put effort in and want to be here, not to break all the financial rules going overpaying dross and all the rest are the ones who ‘hate Leicester City’. Do the likes of yourself even think before coming out with the utter pointless drivel that you do?

This is why those worshipping Maresca, saying it is his way or Pulis-ball are completely clueless. There is a world of ways of playing between this. Newcastle and Villa are examples of this. Yes they have spent obscene amounts but it’s more sustainable with a lower budget than trying to be Man City-lite with inferior players. And you’re telling me that playing in a way that Newcastle and Villa do would stop us breaking down teams who come for a point either.

I agree. No doubt he led from the front as a top striker, but that is different to being a leader. When he had Wes, Huth, Kasper, Fuchs etc further back, they did all that and he had his job. Since they all departed, and we have never brought in similar characters, there has been an expectation on him as a senior player that he is captain and leads by example. That has never been his strength and that’s not a criticism of him. He has been like no other for us. Literally the great ever. But he does need to move on. I hope he gets a chance out in the MLS. It will suit him. And at the end of the last home game, whoever is still left (in the stands), I hope Vardy and any of the youth players (Evan’s, Monga etc) come round and get well received. With the rest to get absolute abuse. Well a bit hard on a few like Bilal, Mavididi and Stolarcryk who will hopefully be key for us next season.

No, but other clubs ‘fans’ aren’t lining up to applaud the team off after relegation either but watch our lot tomorrow….

Sorry that you clearly know how I feel about things more than I do! I don’t actually know many Forest fans. My brother in law but he’s a good guy and isn’t the bragging type so actually, yes, it is for the reasons I said. Maybe you could add jealousy and a bit of sour grapes as to how we have declined to that but as I say, I am honest about my reasons and that.

My reason is that I took pride in us being the top side in the region. It’s not like I know loads of Forest fans or have grief from them, but it is a positive thing for the club to be the top side. It will mean we can develop our youth sides with the best local talented players for example. Forest taking our place now puts us at a disadvantage compared to them. So the way I see it, if people are saying they’re happy for Forest or fair play etc, I just see it as being the following reasons: 1. Being edgy, or dismissive of the local factor, like Forest fans do. 2. Not really understanding the factor I said above. 3. Not really a passionate supporter, perhaps more of a neutral fan than a Leicester fan. I don’t see how anyone can be knowledgeable of how football works, a true passionate supporter and honest, can be of any other view than wanting them to fall short.

Particularly given your username has ‘KP’ in it, maybe consider how it is acceptable that KP has broken this club so much that with 6 games of the season to play, a rival team failing is the only thing of interest. That seems the problem to me…

Yeah I agree. The op wrote as though we shouldn’t be comparing success to them in that we have done better but the tone is very much that we should accept being relegated and failure hence asking who we should be compared to. I hate the mentality that any kind of decline is acceptable because of the success or that expecting good decisions from the club is entitled. Of those of us angry at the club, how many are expecting European football and winning stuff regularly? I bet none. Personally, I want a club that is on the same page, a manager and players who work hard, fight for the badge, youth players given a chance, not wasting money and blaming financial rules for our failings. And that is before the other off the field issues around fan engagement. People thinking the bad feeling is due to simply on the pitch results are completely clueless.

I thought the same. There’s a balance between being proactive and clearly getting his line up so wrong so often from the start that he has to try and make multiple changes so early. Seems like Riza is the latter.

Yeah I agree to be fair. I was thinking of the signings but yes I did include Vestergaard and Ndidi (the latter who had given good service to the club). So yeah as hard as it is, I’d include Vardy. I think it’d have been really hard to say bye to him last season whereas now most of us are saying yeah, he needs o go. So maybe it’s a good thing in the sense of making it easier to say goodbye but not financially at all. The rest, yep all true. People just assume we will bounce back but if the decisions carry on as they are, there will be points deductions and chaos in our upcoming future.

I would think Alves has all the talent (maybe potentially more) than Barnes and his final product etc. Barnes always seemed quite strong and physical so Alves would need to work on that. But, at Alves’ age, Barnes was on loan to MK Dons in League 1. I also remember watching him in an FA cup game for us. I forget who against, it was a lower league side on a. Really dodgy narrow pitch but he looked out of his depth. So it’s far too early to rule Alves out although you did reference on last nights showing. I guess if you pick one game to judge someone on you could make a world class to pin team judgement on anyone.

Who should we compare to then? Preston, Cardiff, Rotherham and Hull? It sounds like you are saying we shouldn’t expect to be able to take the field and compete with the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Palace. We should just accept that if we place these sides it is an easy 3-0/4-0 win for them?

The worst thing is, we have got even worse at making clueless off the field decisions since going down. Not only did they not learn from it, they have doubled down. If you list the main culprits that are classed as deadwood or financial burdens: Signed/contract extended since relegation: Vestergaard Coady Ndidi Winks Ayew BDR Skipp Signed before Ward Soumare Faes Kristiansen Obviously Faes and Kristiansen were signed during the relegation season. There’s just not sign of things even improving which is the worst bit.

Apart from Birmingham, I don’t see any of the sides up there being able to really take the Championship by storm. Wrexham, I think 3 promotions on the bounce, fantastic and historic. But the Championship is a big step up. Wycombe struggled before. Stockport and Leyton Orient are doing great but again, big step up. Charlton I still think would be the best placed. Probably good for us anyway. If the sides coming up from League 1 were strong, we’d be in some bother!

Sorry but this is just incorrect. We have broken into the top 4 once, in 2016. Otherwise we failed and fell short. Look at the fact Villa and Newcastle did finish in the top 4 in the seasons straight after we failed. The ‘rich 6’ are not anywhere near what they were. Top 4 has been there for the taking. The fact we fell short, whilst justified at the time, history shows was a massive failure, twice. And we are paying the price by spending on absolute dross, not showing ambition. I don’t know why people have to justify us falling so far behind the likes of Brentford, Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace, Forest etc because we won the league and cup. If we have no ambition and are happy to fall down the leagues until we are a non-league side, surely just pack the club up and give our league place to someone else?

Don’t rule out Charlton. They travel to Wycombe on Monday. A win their and they are two point behind with 2 games left and Wycombe with Leyton Orient (6th) and Stockport (5th). To play. In fact they then have Wrexham so it’s in Charlton’s hands really if they beat them two. Wrexham won’t do it, they are too inconsistent.

I don’t know. It is well known we will be overhauling that position. If we let Vardy go and sell Daka, we have no senior striker. I think in that case, Kone would have the sense to see the opportunity to be first choice in the championship than padding out the squad of a Premier League also fan club. Whet a final run in Wycombe have by the way. Charlton (4th), Leyton Orient (6th) and Stockport (5th) in their last 3!