Dan

Too many people think it for this to be the case. I'm astonished by it. This stuff is a far bigger issue than the owners themselves.

The Rodgers appointment is the one thing I think he could possibly take any credit for - we sacked Puel and had him ready within days. They really did think they had cracked it though. Give him the keys, we've done our bit.

Hope I'm wrong but wouldn't be one bit surprised if the bug of this club had got him and he wasn't anywhere near as effective upon return. Fair play to him if he keeps up his form before his injury - was the biggest one horse race for player of the season I've ever seen in football.

The one who said "short memories"? Hilarious projection. That is total fabrication. A sure sign of brainwashing. This must be the point in history where it is most common that people have such confidence in something that they're actually wrong about. I wonder what's actually caused this. It transcends football.

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Also on this... did a bit of a delve into Stolarczyk against Begovic. Begovic has actually been pretty comfortably poorer than Stolarczyk in terms of shot stopping. He is not a silver bullet for this team. Stolarczyk has definitely gotten worse in time (as just about everybody does here) but he's still prevented more than he 'should' have done. Though I don't think shot stopping is really his weakness.

My hand is on my heart.

Not necessarily but this is a player who has continuously taken the piss, a player who we turn back to despite this and a player for whom the record doesn't actually reflect well on - certainly not somebody we should be going cap in hand to anyway. @inckley fox post in the last couple of pages summed this all up better than me. Winks has been proven to not be a particularly effective player in anything other than a system where we heavily dominated possession and had in general a team far better than than the competition at the time. He's lacking defensively, isn't really creative in a conventional sense, hardly ever scores. He's got one thing he's good at and it's not actually all that effective when you take it out of a team that had far better players than the opposition. We also don't dominate the midfield battle with him playing either. I could understand some of the pass he gets if he didn't have the track record he does. Unfortunately because of the shambolic recruitment and total neglect of this position (which people on here were telling me at the time wasn't an issue) we go cap in hand to him.

Amartey wasn't good but he was comfortably better than Okoli. Amartey never quite served this up in the Championship.

I am a little bit of a stats nerd at times. Do find expected goals interesting, but this season flash scores have added an even deeper version - expected goals on target (xGOT) interesting as well which basically measures the expected goals based on the shots on target - the quality of shots. It's a good way to measure a goalkeepers shot stopping. The data... good gracious me. However bad you think we are, we're even worse. What we've conceded is about right. I've got us down as conceding based on the shots faced... 55.62. We've let in 56. What we've scored is the alarming bit. We've scored 47 goals which is decent, but based on our shot quality, we should have scored 38 goals. We've benefitted from bad goalkeeping against us more often than we realise. In terms of shot stopping our goalkeepers have been pretty average on the whole. Number of games we've produced xGOT of under 1.00 in a game out of 35... 18. Compared to just 8 times against us. We've also 'lost' by this metric in our last FOURTEEN games. Fourteen! Ipswich, funnily enough, the last time we 'won'. We've 'won' on quality of shots taken just 11 times in 35 games. Conclusion is as I suspected = we're actually fortunate to even be 22nd. We could very easily have scored fewer goals than we have done. If our goalkeepers were actually as bad as made out we would literally have about 25 points. I just cannot believe this is a team that can stay up. It's absolutely atrocious. Diabolical.

I make it 35 yep. In interests of fairness he came at half time of Southampton away in 2024 when 2-0 down and we won. But our record with him on the pitch is genuinely rubbish, it's worse than without him.

I do agree, but I genuinely don't ever see our fans doing what theirs did away here. Our potential is capped. Even if we had a phoenix club I think a sizeable number would still want it to still have some sort of tribute to KP in it. Flaccid fanbase.

Sheffield Wednesday. 2026/27.

This is a real concern for me going forward. Such a sizeable number of regime stooges. People who are far more damaging to LCFC than any Coventry, Forest or Derby fan could ever be. How on earth could I ever unite with these people again? They're enemies. I'd fully support a Steaua Bucharest break off at this point.

It's completely astonishing. A fascinating psychology study I'd imagine. They're completely brainwashed. The worst thing about this entire decline has been the absolutely pathetic lack of pushback against it. The tolerance and allowance of it. We've set the bar so, so low for the future and for what? For some thicko from Thailand. We're a nightmare. I don't think even supporting Wednesday would be this depressing because at least they have unity in the fanbase. It's such a freak set of circumstances. Have said for years - as damaging a set of circumstances as you could possibly wish to have. Really extraordinary. It will take years to recover from this - not just financially but psychologically as well. This fanbase has for the most part just accepted this. That ground should be absolute mutiny every single week. They would not feel safe attending nearly any other ground in this country having done this to a club. At our ground they're getting weirdos dancing at them. It's complete insanity.

Seen him at this all over this place. Poses as if he's on side when he's as blatantly an apologist as they get.

If you were an international footballer from San Marino and were presented with an opportunity to lucky dip and switch your team to anybody else in the world at random, are you really saying "no, what if it's Gibraltar?". In terms of pure decline I'd argue he's been even worse than Chansiri. He's a once in a lifetime level bad. I would blindly trade that for anybody. Even if by some complete lightning striking twice freak we ended up with somebody just as bad (nearly impossible) at least a sizeable portion of our fanbase wouldn't automatically kiss their arse like they do this cretin.

I do think it says a lot about the level of Italy now. Really does feel like they're going through a bad period both domestically and internationally.

He's a disgrace. It's mental how often you read Amartey comparisons as well - Amartey was streets ahead of this bloke.

Said the other week I think they're being unfairly written off. They're a bad side but they don't look as bad as either us or WBA.

It's time we stop paying these players.

Bet he badly misses being at Oxford. Would've been luxury compared to managing this lot.

Yeah you're right really. I think a couple of weeks ago they got hauled back into it a bit but ever since their game with Middlesbrough it's as good as sealed. Can't stand them but they probably deserve it really. They've made smart signings for a number of years now and it eventually does click.

Will scab a totally undeserved draw before losing to Bristol City and QPR. Because if you didn't hate this team enough, they will do exactly what it takes to ensure that we go down and Cov go up.

He's a lot of bluster. Has one particular function in a team which Maresca's football perfectly suited. He's very one dimensional. I don't think our win record (5 wins in 36 starts) with him in the team is a coincidence. The alternatives aren't much good either though.