Dan

Nah. I can see both of those going up though. In-fact after all I'd say there's half a chance you get 4 of the 6 teams yoyo again. Wolves replacing Sunderland, Coventry replacing Leicester.....

You just wait until Forest pull clear enough from relegation to be able to have a free run at the Europa League in the new year.

Can't call the result, too much variance. Can almost guarantee a bad performance though.

Yep. Easiest game you could ever possibly have at this level. Forget their form over the whole season - that was a club with barely a team together who hadn't had a single friendly. I genuinely think the majority of this forum could've managed a win that day, and we nearly didn't.

Agree. Already seen a few giving a load of rubbish about feeling stupid and whatnot despite Thomas being no better all season. Just simply unfortunate what happened to him tonight although he has ****ed up on the second yellow. But a totally predictable situation as well. Cifuentes is trying to patch up his previous errors but it's too late. He threw Nelson in for two games in a week after not kicking a ball for months despite his previous injury record and the alternatives being the hateful lot that they are. Predictably he goes down injured fairly quickly. He's done the same with Aluko now - hand forced somewhat but it shouldn't have taken Thomas getting suspended to give Aluko a go and now he's given probably the toughest assignment of the season, and then screwed over by his team mate in the first five minutes. And yet a lot of people on here, and probably the management, will think the alternative is reverting back to the old guard who have just played like absolute shit virtually all season anyway. It's so bleak.

In the mean time we'll bring some more garbage in and the cycle is preserved. Thomas new contract for example.

That is the crux for me. This is no revisionism around him being anything other than dire, but he had at least started trying to weed out the bad eggs. We are basically getting all of the bad without even the small bit of good. Cifuentes out. Totally out of his depth.

We'd be no worse under Van Nistelrooy. Seriously.

Just nothing more you can even say that hasn't already been said. Get this owner out.

I'm glad we have the 'imperious at this level' Faes and Vestergaard partnership still.

He's better than a bottom half Championship side so no idea why he would really.

Skipp at left back how on earth did we get here?

Yeah for what it's worth I actually think similar to Blackburn just about everything that could've swung against us has done. But it's a trojan horse - we've been crap all season. We've not put in a good 90 minutes since we beat these 5-0 - coming up to 90 games ago.

Just a total disaster of a half. We've had this coming though.

Yeah the first choice have absolutely ripped it up haven't they.

I ****ing knew he'd get another.

Yep these are better than us as I've long suspected. They can really attack.

Usual service resumes after a semi OK start.

Gavin Ward's not changed a lot then. Proper traffic warden twat.

Ah bloody hell booked already. That's bad.

Fair play to him. Hope Aluko smashes it.

Some of the bugs are just ridiculous aren't they. You expect maybe 1 or 2 but there are just loads.

Bizarrely the only info there is it was not Coventry.

Wonder what odds you'd get on Coventry getting 100 points and 100 goals. Would be an all-time choke if they didn't go up from here.

Total disgrace. Apparently this season the clubs did vote to bring the £30 cap into the EFL as well but one club threatened legal action so it didn't go ahead this year.