Post Election Blues

[TimG]

You can tell you haven't been on here long if you think Moose would feel guilty about voting for a party that cuts benefit spending.

 

Fair point, he doesn't come across as the most compassionate. I guess I hoped that maybe he has some empathy hidden away somewhere behind his tough exterior.

[MooseBreath]

Please don't tell me what I'll say - you have no idea.

Benefits street is as real as big Brother - or your other favourite Real housewives of Atlanta.

Please don't tell me what my favourites are - you have no idea.

You don't know how real benefits street is for two reasons. Firstly you don't watch it. Secondly you haven't done anything other than drive through an area like that for decades. You don't even live in Britain. You don't know any British people. The only thing you know about modern Britain is the language. Why don't you leave this topic to people who actually live here at the very least?

[Guest]

Fair point, he doesn't come across as the most compassionate. I guess I hoped that maybe he has some empathy hidden away somewhere behind his tough exterior.

 

[Guest MattP]

You gave pages of comments on the first Welfare benefits show.

 

And I'm saying we should comment - you are the one saying that if a person hasn't experienced something they shouldn't comment - re benefits show. Get your arguments sorted out man.

 

I think it's a little bit different commenting on the impact of a potential government that is telling you what they intend to implement and achieve and watching a trailer for a TV show.

 

Would you give an opinion on a film you hadn't watched because you had read someone elses comments on it? Of course you wouldn't.

[Guest MattP]

Please don't tell me what my favourites are - you have no idea.

You don't know how real benefits street is for two reasons. Firstly you don't watch it. Secondly you haven't done anything other than drive through an area like that for decades. You don't even live in Britain. You don't know any British people. The only thing you know about modern Britain is the language. Why don't you leave this topic to people who actually live here at the very least?

 

He's not actually British anyway is he? When debating or posting on here a lot of the time the British are usually referred to as 'They' or 'Them'.

[Guest]

Please don't tell me what my favourites are - you have no idea.

You don't know how real benefits street is for two reasons. Firstly you don't watch it. Secondly you haven't done anything other than drive through an area like that for decades. You don't even live in Britain. You don't know any British people. The only thing you know about modern Britain is the language. Why don't you leave this topic to people who actually live here at the very least?

 

 

Your world surely can't be as small as your understanding.

 

You come across as the biggest wannabee on this site.

[Rincewind]

I think you've misunderstood these "lefties" again. They all want/need money they just don't need excessive amounts to be happy.

This.

 

Fancy some subblmnal messages?

 

Shirkers. Workers Scroungers. Free money. Lazy.Scum. Benefits.Workshy. Hard working  familes.Vote Tory.

[Guest]

He's not actually British anyway is he? When debating or posting on here a lot of the time the British are usually referred to as 'They' or 'Them'.

 

Matt don't become Moose. I have respect for you and your pov. I'm as British as you. Do you consider every Brit to be the same as you? If you were referring to a particular group for example the "benefit people" or those "muslim rapists" you talk about do you say "we" or "they"? If you're talking about the women in Britain do you say "we" or "they"?

 

Don't turn into Moose you're far better than that. You can disagree with me without the nastiness - I respect you.

[MooseBreath]

Fair point, he doesn't come across as the most compassionate. I guess I hoped that maybe he has some empathy hidden away somewhere behind his tough exterior.

I'm a very compassionate person actually. Perhaps that's why I find the idea of simply paying poor people to stay poor so distasteful.

I'll ask again, will any lefties concede that sometimes simply giving people more money isn't actually the best way to help them?

[MooseBreath]

Your world surely can't be as small as your understanding.

You come across as the biggest wannabee on this site.

Didn't take long for you to resort to petty pot shots again .

What a classy, happy old gentleman you are, Fif. You're an example to as all.

[Guest]

I'm a very compassionate person actually. Perhaps that's why I find the idea of simply paying poor people to stay poor so distasteful.

I'll ask again, will any lefties concede that sometimes simply giving people more money isn't actually the best way to help them?

 

That wasn't your question though was it. In fact you made it a statement.

 

Would you concede that sometimes simply giving people more money is actually the best way to help them?

Didn't take long for you to resort to petty pot shots again .

What a classy, happy old gentleman you are, Fif. You're an example to as all.

 

I'm who you want to be. 

[MooseBreath]

That wasn't your question though was it. In fact you made it a statement.

Would you concede that sometimes simply giving people more money is actually the best way to help them?

Yes I would, sometimes that is definitely the case.

[Guest]

Yes I would, sometimes that is definitely the case.

 

Of course. And I'm sure your "lefties" would say the same.

[MooseBreath]

Of course. And I'm sure your "lefties" would say the same.

Good, let's hope they do.

How about a fictional scenario?

If someone has been told by a doctor that they need to stop drinking, but that person spends every day they're not at work in the pub, is the government doing the morally correct thing but paying for them to stay off work, and therefore in the pub against doctors orders, , or would that person be better off being given a gentle nudge towards both work and health by having their benefits reduced?

[Finnegan]

You can tell you haven't been on here long if you think Moose would feel guilty about voting for a party that cuts benefit spending.

[Guest]

Good, let's hope they do.

How about a fictional scenario?

If someone has been told by a doctor that they need to stop drinking, but that person spends every day they're not at work in the pub, is the government doing the morally correct thing but paying for them to stay off work, and therefore in the pub against doctors orders, , or would that person be better off being given a gentle nudge towards both work and health by having their benefits reduced?

 

Surely the morally correct thing is to outlaw alcohol for the myriad reasons that you would clearly understand.

 

Sadly governments don't have morals, Most governments put money before morals - somemore than others. 

[Finnegan]

Good, let's hope they do.

How about a fictional scenario?

If someone has been told by a doctor that they need to stop drinking, but that person spends every day they're not at work in the pub, is the government doing the morally correct thing but paying for them to stay off work, and therefore in the pub against doctors orders, , or would that person be better off being given a gentle nudge towards both work and health by having their benefits reduced?

Third option. Threaten them with a reduction in benefits or NHS services but only if they refuse to participate in an AA group or take health advice.

[MooseBreath]

Surely the morally correct thing is to outlaw alcohol for the myriad reasons that you would clearly understand.

Sadly governments don't have morals, Most governments put money before morals - somemore than others.

You would deprive the many of their enjoyment to protect the health of the few?

Interesting.

[TimG]

I'm a very compassionate person actually. Perhaps that's why I find the idea of simply paying poor people to stay poor so distasteful.

I'll ask again, will any lefties concede that sometimes simply giving people more money isn't actually the best way to help them?

 

Claiming Benefits Street is representative of everyone on benefits is crazy. Of course there are a few individual who take advantage of the system and I'm sure that in certain cases giving them more money is not the best way to help them.

 

However, there are plenty of people who are on benefits as income support because they are on minimum wage jobs. There are people who have to pay the bedroom tax despite not being able to downsize due to a lack of affordable housing. There are disabled people who are being forced back to work unfairly by atos. These people weren't/aren't being paid to stay poor, they were being paid because they need the money and using Benefits Street to justify a further £12bn in welfare cuts is not compassionate.

[Rincewind]

If an unemployed person spent every day in a  pub I would wonder how they managed it on £71 PW for a single person.

Work it out. Even at £3per pint that is a total of 24 over a week. Less than 2 pints a day. Plus they will need to pay for food, electric and other bills.

If they are that dependant on alcohol then Finnegans suggestion would be better. Cutting benefits  altogether would make a person more desperate. Maybe resorting to petty crime or drugs putting more strain on the health service, social services, police and even the courts and prisons.

If you beat  a dog then at some point it will bite you.

[Guest]

You would deprive the many of their enjoyment to protect the health of the few?

Interesting.

 

Crazy!

 

I'd deprive the few of their enjoment to protect the health (through abuse and consequence) of the whole population. Alcohol is a drug which kills not only the user but many innocent bystanders. Still I'd expect you to be for the legalisation of everything.

[MrSpaM]

Not usually one for getting into political arguments, but i'm a little bit baffled by the amount of hate and propagander the torie government are now being subjected too after winning the election.

 

I've just read through the key points of the labour manifesto, and i'm struggling to see a single thing in it that would have benefitted anybody I know?

 

Can somebody explain to me exactly what it was the labour party were going to do that was going to turn the country into a kingdom of rainbows and joy? because i'm just not seeing it

[Danno]

You just have to laugh at anyone who votes Conservative and doesn't know why people might hate their party.

[Benji]

If an unemployed person spent every day in a  pub I would wonder how they managed it on £71 PW for a single person.

Work it out. Even at £3per pint that is a total of 24 over a week. Less than 2 pints a day. Plus they will need to pay for food, electric and other bills.

If they are that dependant on alcohol then Finnegans suggestion would be better. Cutting benefits  altogether would make a person more desperate. Maybe resorting to petty crime or drugs putting more strain on the health service, social services, police and even the courts and prisons.

If you beat  a dog then at some point it will bite you.

 

Yer, and then the dog gets put down.

[Guest]

Yer, and then the dog gets put down.

 

Isn't that after the second bite?