Voll Blau Posted 28 July 2015 Posted 28 July 2015 Making comparisons to the IPL really isn't helpful in trying to progress T20 in this country. We invented the format as an easy way to get football-going lads into cricket and as a bit of fun to be played at the height of summer when the evenings are lightest. For the average English cricket fan Test matches will always be king and T20 will, to an extent, always be viewed the same as it was when it was first introduced. In India, cricketers are treated like rockstars and people are only interested in the big names. They also have a third of the world's population they can market that to, as well as a massive diaspora across the globe, in a country where cricket is the number one sport by a long way. The two cultures are completely different and no amount of gimmickry or plagiarism over here is going to get an English league to the stage where it can "compete" on the same level.
Voll Blau Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Great article on Cricinfo about this... http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/820095.html
Corky Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 We are the sort of team they want to do without, along with Northants. Despite the fact we've won four between us, and Nottinghamshire have won none, they are the Test county and can pull in the biggest crowds. Leicestershire won three T20 titles, not the East Midlands. It wouldn't feel right.
Voll Blau Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 Would love to see cricket back on terrestrial, but not at the expense of people being able to see more live cricket. They're determined to push this through at all costs... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/07/26/ecb-plan-english-crickets-most-radical-ever-overhaul-with-t20-co/
Guest MattP Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 We won't survive it if it does, will be a great shame. Suppose we'll win games in the Minor Counties league though.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 There is talk of our domestic T20 carrying on as well as the franchise T20, but I believe it will be the beginning of the end for half a dozen counties, greed of the big counties will eventually force the ECB to cut the number of county sides down.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 28 July 2015 at 16:46, Voll Blau said: Making comparisons to the IPL really isn't helpful in trying to progress T20 in this country. We invented the format as an easy way to get football-going lads into cricket and as a bit of fun to be played at the height of summer when the evenings are lightest. For the average English cricket fan Test matches will always be king and T20 will, to an extent, always be viewed the same as it was when it was first introduced. In India, cricketers are treated like rockstars and people are only interested in the big names. They also have a third of the world's population they can market that to, as well as a massive diaspora across the globe, in a country where cricket is the number one sport by a long way. The two cultures are completely different and no amount of gimmickry or plagiarism over here is going to get an English league to the stage where it can "compete" on the same level. Some great points made here, I'd also add that the poor English summers will add to the difficulty of making any English franchise a success.
Webbo Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 Tbf county cricket is dying on it's arse.How many punters do the county get on a weekday? A couple of hundred?
Voll Blau Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: Tbf county cricket is dying on it's arse.How many punters do the county get on a weekday? A couple of hundred? Always been the case for Championship matches and always will be. T20's completely different, as the attendance chart in that story illustrates. It's a format that doesn't need fixing, just better promotion and England players being made available for their counties etc.
brockmyster Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 Retaining the county T20 competition is crucial to making this work. If you get this on terrestrial TV and suddenly people are seeing cricket more, they'll be encouraged to go to their counties T20 match, and then some potentially to others, although first-class cricket is definitely an acquired taste. If income is shared round too this could make the county game far more competitive and filter through to a more consistently good English side
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 6 hours ago, Webbo said: Tbf county cricket is dying on it's arse.How many punters do the county get on a weekday? A couple of hundred? County championship cricket is there to provide players for the Test side, you're right about the attendance but it still has a purpose.
CosbehFox Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 7 hours ago, Webbo said: Tbf county cricket is dying on it's arse.How many punters do the county get on a weekday? A couple of hundred? Its the same in Oz with the Sheffield Shield and then Big Bash sells out game after game (though there's a debate there about how many games are too much). The Aussies see the Sheffield Shield as a necessary as it develops the test players and also prospects. Just read the article in the Guardian about this and them citing Durham as a county in turmoil. Well I'm sorry, if they get themselves £6million in debt chasing England international fixtures and make their stadium a white elephant. Then the rest of the county game shouldn't lose out. The smaller counties have had to reassess how they do things and they have adjusted without England fixtures.
Voll Blau Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 12 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Its the same in Oz with the Sheffield Shield and then Big Bash sells out game after game (though there's a debate there about how many games are too much). The Aussies see the Sheffield Shield as a necessary as it develops the test players and also prospects. Just read the article in the Guardian about this and them citing Durham as a county in turmoil. Well I'm sorry, if they get themselves £6million in debt chasing England international fixtures and make their stadium a white elephant. Then the rest of the county game shouldn't lose out. The smaller counties have had to reassess how they do things and they have adjusted without England fixtures. Agree with that completely. The fact counties have to bid against each other to stage internationals is just ridiculous though, just encouraging mid-sized counties like Durham to live beyond their means.
Voll Blau Posted 23 October 2017 Posted 23 October 2017 Surprise, surprise... Quote The ECB has been forced to delay its plans to finalise the commercial terms of the new-team T20 competition after key aspects were rejected by the first-class counties. The ECB recently circulated a framework agreement for the tournament in the hope it would be signed by now, but feedback from several counties suggested they felt the goalposts had been moved significantly since they agreed to support it. As a consequence, the ECB chairman Colin Graves, wrote to the counties on Friday to reassure them he was "very aware" of the "legitimate questions and concerns" they had raised and to inform them the ECB was "dropping the deadline" for feedback over the agreement to allow a longer period of consultation. That means counties will be asked to tender to host the matches without an accurate idea of the costs or revenues involved. The ECB will distribute tender documents to the counties (and the MCC) on Tuesday for the allocation of major matches from 2020. It will be followed by a presentation period in January - an opportunity for the grounds to show what they can offer - with the allocation set to be announced on February 14. There will, as ever, be significant winners and losers from the announcement with the decision over which clubs will host the new-team T20 competition and the 2023 Ashes series especially intriguing. Central to the delay in agreeing the commercial terms of the new-team T20 competition is a divide between those clubs likely to host it and those that will not. While some of the hosting clubs feel the financial rewards are inadequate, some of the smaller venues are concerned they are too generous and will put their own clubs at a significant long term disadvantage. The current plans would see the hosting clubs receive an annual fee of 150,000 and 30 per-cent of their own gate revenues. The first-class counties have already been guaranteed 1.3m a year each for lending their support to the new competition. Some of the hosting clubs are also uneasy that the ECB's demand for 'clean grounds' during the tournament will incur huge costs and damage their own commercial agreements. A clean ground, as defined by the ICC, means the hosting club cannot use it for games (or, potentially, conferencing purposes) or retain any of its own sponsorship agreements visible in the stadium for the entirety of the tournament. Effectively, therefore, clubs would have to move out of their own grounds for five-weeks in mid-summer. They are also concerned that the offer of 30% of gate revenues is nebulous until the ECB establishes the price of tickets. Previous comments suggest they will be priced low to attract as wide an audience as possible. There are also concerns that new competition will not, in the short term at least, offer the increase of funding to grass roots cricket that was anticipated. While there is an appreciation that the new competition - and a partial return of free-to-air broadcast coverage - will provide the oxygen of publicity the game has long required, it was also initially suggested that 10% of the new-competition revenues would go to grassroots cricket. But the framework agreement makes clear that figure will come from "net revenues". Many (though not all) insiders do not expect the competition to make a profit in its opening years due to set-up costs, so the benefits to the grass roots game may be less tangible than originally hoped. Managing such expectations may be a recurring theme at the ECB in the coming years. Having secured an impressive-looking broadcast deal - 1.1 billion over five years from 2020 - they have raised hopes for increased funding across the game. They are now finding the demands for that money, not least in terms of player salaries, is going to require careful negotiation and planning. Meanwhile, the ECB hopes to finalise the composition of the board that will run the new-team T20 competition before the end of the year. The board, effectively a subcommittee of the full ECB board, will comprise two directors elected from the county game and five independent directors. http://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/21123993/counties-concern-moving-goalposts-new-t20
CosbehFox Posted 23 October 2017 Posted 23 October 2017 Just to add the crowds in the 'Mediocre T20 Blast' were bigger than ever in 2017. Fixtures like Notts-Derbys, Worcs-Warks, Somerset-Gloucs are the real puller of crowds.
Corky Posted 23 October 2017 Posted 23 October 2017 T20 has reached saturation point, for me. Much prefer attending a full day of first class cricket than a 40-over bash now. This new tournament holds no appeal but good luck to them if this untapped audience turns up in huge numbers.
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