davieG Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 So because like now we discuss the issue and someone doesnt like it, its deletable? I could name 50 threads on this website that are thrillingly boring and repetative nonsense, but i choose to allow my fellow humans the right of not being interupted if thats what makes them tick-tock. 9 people think maybury has more ability than joey to play the HR, are they completely wrong? No they just have a different opinion to 50+ other people. Why do you ask? Is it because you think 50+ people who think Joey is better in midfield are wrong? You are just so devoid of logical thinking at times!
lush Posted 30 September 2005 Author Posted 30 September 2005 Last season I thought Maybury was one of the best full-backs i'd seen at City for many years. Everything about his game was good from his tackling, to his distribution, to his composure. This season he's started off at left back and looked rusty and has since swapped to right back and hasn't looked a patch on last season. Whether he's unhappy here i'm not sure, but he doesn't seem the sort to be like that. After all he has Craig Levein for re-vitalising his career up at Hearts and I doubt he'd have 11 caps for Ireland if Craig hadn't come calling. I've never even thought about Maybury being central midfield material and couldn't comment whether he'd be any good there until I saw him play there. There are many arguments to back up why he wouldn't be perfect for the midfield role and one being that if he was that perfect for it, surely one of the 3 or 4 managers who have managed him would have tried him there. There's one flaw to Maybury's game and i've seen it happen on quite a few occasions and he often let's people go by him and turn him, an example of that was when Charlton equalised in the cup game. Maybury let their winger turn him and he tried to swivel round to block him but it was too late. You can't let midfielders go by you in the centre otherwise it's curtains for you. Im taking on board the point about him playing at LB, and that it may well have done is confidence/ability a knocking. However, i dont hear him playing badly for Ireland. Maybe them managers didnt need to play him there, i think we do. Another thing, why did john beck play dublin up front, when he hadnt played there before. that questions not been asnswered, not by you Ric. Come on Ric, you mention one mistake by maybury v premiership opposition, but before explain that he was really good last season...and to add, joey had a great shot at wolves, but not much else.
lush Posted 30 September 2005 Author Posted 30 September 2005 Why do you always try to twist what people say, when has boring EVER meant deleting, where do you get your thoughts from. You must either have one of those giant McCain chips on your shoulder or a persecution complex of mammoth proportions. Just as your entitled to your view I'm entitled to label a thread as boring, perhaps I just hit a nerve. Mccain. Why was this thread closed then?
lush Posted 30 September 2005 Author Posted 30 September 2005 No they just have a different opinion to 50+ other people. Why do you ask? Is it because you think 50+ people who think Joey is better in midfield are wrong? You are just so devoid of logical thinking at times! So there not wrong then, you said this poll had failed. Of course i think those 50+ are wrong, i outlined why. Are you suggesting that a poll of anykind is absolute factual, that in this case there is no possible way maybury could be better than joey? How is that logical?
Ric Flair Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 Im taking on board the point about him playing at LB, and that it may well have done is confidence/ability a knocking. However, i dont hear him playing badly for Ireland. Maybe them managers didnt need to play him there, i think we do. Another thing, why did john beck play dublin up front, when he hadnt played there before. that questions not been asnswered, not by you Ric. Come on Ric, you mention one mistake by maybury v premiership opposition, but before explain that he was really good last season...and to add, joey had a great shot at wolves, but not much else. Maybury did play well last season but his weak point is that he let's players go past him and i'm not sure whether he'd be knocked off the ball in the centre, perhaps not but it's questions that i'd need answering before answering whether he could play in the centre. As regard to the Gudjonsson malarky, I have given quite a few examples of him getting forward this season and having efforts at goal, i've also pointed out that fans have him down as one of the best performing players this season. All which aid my argument, don't you think? Why did John Beck play Dublin upfront? I'm not entirely sure but what I do know is he played upfront as a youth and at the back, I don't think people knew what his best position was just like when Chris Sutton started out. Dublin did start his professional career at the back but didn't make the grade until he was switched upfront. I'm not saying Maybury couldn't play in the holding role, but I just don't see any clear evidence that would suit him to it better than Gudjonsson.
Scow Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 To be honest, I don't think anyone would disgaree with Lush being labelled an 'idiot'. I'm sorry for turning this thread in to a bore fest, but Lush doesn't seem to have a logical or coherent way of thinking, and the frustration has got to me because I can't believe how backward someone could be. Many of his arguments don't hold much substance and he just rambles on without adding anything meaningful. I think he loves to argue, even if he is looking silly for it. All you have to do is look at the threads he's started both here and in general chat. You reply to his points, he claims you haven't, then he attempts to twist it in to something else. He says it's a fact that Maybury is a better player than Gudjonsson - I think that says it all.
Ric Flair Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 To be honest, I don't think anyone would disgaree with Lush being labelled an 'idiot'. I'm sorry for turning this thread in to a bore fest, but Lush doesn't seem to have a logical or coherent way of thinking, and the frustration has got to me because I can't believe how backward someone could be. Many of his arguments don't hold much substance and he just rambles on without adding anything meaningful. I think he loves to argue, even if he is looking silly for it. All you have to do is look at the threads he's started both here and in general chat. You reply to his points, he claims you haven't, then he attempts to twist it in to something else. He says it's a fact that Maybury is a better player than Gudjonsson - I think that says it all. I know what your saying, but I think it's quite funny watching him battle it out on the forum.
davieG Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 So there not wrong then, you said this poll had failed. Of course i think those 50+ are wrong, i outlined why. Are you suggesting that a poll of anykind is absolute factual, that in this case there is no possible way maybury could be better than joey? How is that logical? There you go again twisting words, where did I say a poll was factual, if you'd take the time to read people's post you get a lot of the answers you are looking for. I clearly said the nine had a different opinion to the 50+. I didn't say any of it was factual. It's you, by saying the 50+ are wrong that is taking it as factual. That's another thing you are very good at accusing people of things, mostly not true and then acting in the same way that you accuse others of. I'll say again, because you continue to prove it to be so that you are devoid of logical thinking most of the time.
Anish Posted 30 September 2005 Posted 30 September 2005 To be honest, I don't think anyone would disgaree with Lush being labelled an 'idiot'.
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 Maybury did play well last season but his weak point is that he let's players go past him and i'm not sure whether he'd be knocked off the ball in the centre, perhaps not but it's questions that i'd need answering before answering whether he could play in the centre. As regard to the Gudjonsson malarky, I have given quite a few examples of him getting forward this season and having efforts at goal, i've also pointed out that fans have him down as one of the best performing players this season. All which aid my argument, don't you think? Why did John Beck play Dublin upfront? I'm not entirely sure but what I do know is he played upfront as a youth and at the back, I don't think people knew what his best position was just like when Chris Sutton started out. Dublin did start his professional career at the back but didn't make the grade until he was switched upfront. I'm not saying Maybury couldn't play in the holding role, but I just don't see any clear evidence that would suit him to it better than Gudjonsson. To be fair Ric, joey often gets knocked off the ball, that is if he attempts to challenge for it. Never wishing to go against our fans, but alot of them rating joey seems like a smokescreen to rate someone for the love of. He isnt a good player, but hes much improved, and not everyone is at a standard, which again makes him look good cos hes improved. Lets deal with the facts, joey isnt playing well, and maybury is a better player. So my point about whether or not maybury can play HR and dion/sutton/walsh even playing a different role is down to opinion based on what we know. What we know is that apart from tackling ability (which joey is ok at) maybury is a better player in other genres of footballing ability.
Ric Flair Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 To be fair Ric, joey often gets knocked off the ball, that is if he attempts to challenge for it. Never wishing to go against our fans, but alot of them rating joey seems like a smokescreen to rate someone for the love of. He isnt a good player, but hes much improved, and not everyone is at a standard, which again makes him look good cos hes improved. Lets deal with the facts, joey isnt playing well, and maybury is a better player. So my point about whether or not maybury can play HR and dion/sutton/walsh even playing a different role is down to opinion based on what we know. What we know is that apart from tackling ability (which joey is ok at) maybury is a better player in other genres of footballing ability. Did you see Joey's ridiculous bit of skill on saturday? He's a real footballer.
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 To be honest, I don't think anyone would disgaree with Lush being labelled an 'idiot'. He says it's a fact that Maybury is a better player than Gudjonsson - I think that says it all. I disagree, and so do decent non ignorant people who dont abuse others. Is it the policy of THIS website to openly abuse people? Shown ability tells us its fact. What weve seen of them both over the past months demonstrates that maybury is better than joey, your only going on 12 games, of which maybury hasnt played in, and in his unatural position at times. OR, we can start the argument from the very next game if you like. Tell me how many games you`d like to judge the 2 on etc?
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 There you go again twisting words, where did I say a poll was factual, It's you, by saying the 50+ are wrong that is taking it as factual. That's another thing you are very good at accusing people of things, mostly not true and then acting in the same way that you accuse others of. I'll say again, because you continue to prove it to be so that you are devoid of logical thinking most of the time. you didnt, and i didnt accusse you. May i ask others here if YOU are twisting my words davieg, its a fact that maybury is a better player than joey, fact or prove me wrong?
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 Did you see Joey's ridiculous bit of skill on saturday? He's a real footballer. No, but good for him. What did he do?
Ric Flair Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 No, but good for him. What did he do? The ball came to him and a Derby player was closing him down/sliding in and he did what that Mexican Blanco does where he gets the ball between his legs and literally jumps up with it really high and took it over the player and went on a run. Doesn't sound anything special but looked good and took the piss.
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 By breadandcheese "Yesterday's result is same old same old, which has me thinking why this is? We have changed much of the personel, yet still seem incapable of closing out a game with only 5 mins to go. Which leads me to ask the question who you think is/are the weak links of the team? I went to the Brighton game (didn't go to Pride Park), but seem to think our failings are mostly down to our central midfield. This is the only part of the team not to have had an overhaul from Adams's team. We seem to lack a general in the midfield who will protect the backfour, boss the midfield, shut-out opposing teams and ensure we do not allow others teams to dominate. Gudjonsson, although he is having a good season, is not in my mind a good boss and does not posess enough ability to shut-out opposing midfields. He needs somebody to lead him through a game. These players to me are not a good pairing for what is the most important part of any team. I have not seen Wesolowski, so do not know what he is like and am unsure whether Hughes would fair better in the centre than the above mentioned players. Either way, I think this is where our problems lie. It was interesting to hear Rowett on the radio saying how Leicester would be punished if they did not stop Derby getting balls into the box. This is the job of the midfield, so where were they and who was organising them?" People are disolussioned with joey. Who here was thinking with 10mins to go, YES, just hold tight now lads, dont give them any time on the ball and we`ll have this game won I think it was Rowett who explained we should`ve forced derby out wide to limit their chances, yet they waltzed through the middle (wasnt it joey who failed to tackle El hadwhats his name) just before he let rip? And tackling is supposed to be joey`s strong point. WE MUST FIND BETTER, ELSE WERE HEADING FOR THE "PLEAT OUT" DAYS AGAIN
davieG Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 you didnt, and i didnt accusse you. May i ask others here if YOU are twisting my words davieg, its a fact that maybury is a better player than joey, fact or prove me wrong? Why did you ask this question of me then: QUOTE(lush @ Sep 30 2005, 01:48 PM) So there not wrong then, you said this poll had failed. Of course i think those 50+ are wrong, i outlined why. Are you suggesting that a poll of anykind is absolute factual, that in this case there is no possible way maybury could be better than joey? How is that logical?
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 Why did you ask this question of me then: QUOTE(lush @ Sep 30 2005, 01:48 PM) So there not wrong then, you said this poll had failed. Of course i think those 50+ are wrong, i outlined why. Are you suggesting that a poll of anykind is absolute factual, that in this case there is no possible way maybury could be better than joey? How is that logical? What does the THIRD word underlined mean to you?
davieG Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 What does the THIRD word underlined mean to you? It means you think I was saying polls are factual otherwise why ask the question?
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 It means you think I was saying polls are factual otherwise why ask the question? no it means im ASKING if your SUGGESTING deary me
davieG Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 no it means im ASKING if your SUGGESTING deary me So why did you ask? deary deary me.
Head Honcho Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 I think your the one who's hilarious. Poll's never lie. Try telling Al Gore that
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 So why did you ask? deary deary me. Wasnt the question self explanatory enough for you, deary deary DEARY me
davieG Posted 3 October 2005 Posted 3 October 2005 Wasnt the question self explanatory enough for you, deary deary DEARY me The question -yes but not the reason for it?
lush Posted 3 October 2005 Author Posted 3 October 2005 The question -yes but not the reason for it? You: "Most of the 117 replies haven't been needed because all you wanted to know and I guess that's why you put up a poll has been answered by the poll. I guess your problem is you've been outnumbered and are finding it difficult to accept somewahat like a failed politician" Are you suggesting that a poll is absolute factual?
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