Lack of effort

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I think part of the issue could be effort. I know it's an easy 'excuse' if you like, but if you look at the stats from last season, to this, they do tell part of a story. @Babylon for instance, yesterday compared Mahrez tacking stats this season to last and I believe, claimed they were well down,

That shows that Mahrez is not tracking back to make anywhere near as many tackles this season. I'd see that as 'effort' personally. I wonder what the stats are along the same vein, for Vardy?

Part of the reason why we did so incredibly well last season was due to this 'defending from the front' thing. THIS season, it's nowhere near so apparent.

Either Claudio has told the players to stop doing this (why would he..it worked!?) OR they just aren't making as much effort to do it as they did last season.

I think Vardy probably epitomizes this. Last season, he chased literally everything. Offensively and defensively, he ran down everything...all the lost causes he turned into our advantage.

I don't see him doing this this season? 

I think we should be careful when saying people aren't trying or they lack effort (not pointing at you, just a general comment). I don't think any of them are purposely going out there and not trying. When we were playing at such a high level and we relied on team work and everyone putting in 100% week in week out, rather than a team full of ability. The slightest drop off can make a big difference.

 

If winning the league has caused a lack of desire or hunger, or switched people off mentally a bit, or a few have eyes elsewhere, then a drop of a few percent across the board could cause an issue. We lauded the marginal gains thinking behind our success under Pearson.  Perhaps we've gone the other way and everyone's efforts or concentration has dropped off a few percent, from the manager down. I think that could be where we are at the moment.

[WigstonWanderer]

I'm certainly no football tactics expert, but it always seems like the player with the ball has few options to pass when compared with opposition players. You can see it from thow ins when almost invariably there is no one to throw to and we immediately concede possession.

[norwichfox]

I would agree with your assessment of the "effort" situation, and I've no idea how that could be turned around without changing tactics or personnel, which isn't going to happen before the transfer window, by which time it MAY be too late (no I'm not forgetting the great escape). The desire doesn't seem to be there somehow, remember early season 2015 the number of times we recovered from a position of 2 goals down. perhaps a lack of on field communication is having an effect, I believe not having Kasper as the noisy last line of defence is having more of an impact that it should (that's not intended as a back door criticism of Ron-Robert who's the best of what's left) I keep thinking we should eject some of our stars from the PL winning side, but surely they haven't lost so much of their ability in such a short time. I wait with bated breath to see what our enigmatic team do tonight in a no real pressure game, I hope they just go out and enjoy themselves and get in the right frame of mind for the uphill challenge ahead.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Absolutely right. However, take the double-functioning cog out of a machine and, mysteriously, the machine starts to falter.

 

And of course, there are plenty of other problems too, I do not deny that - I still retain a great fondness for 3-5-2 for example, and now it might do some good just to freshen things up a bit.

 

I hope this counts as 'opinion'.......

Huh? Who has said you can't have an opinion? Have you quoted the wrong poster by any chance?

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Huh? Who has said you can't have an opinion? Have you quoted the wrong poster by any chance?

Col asked me to state opinion more. 

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

I think we should be careful when saying people aren't trying or they lack effort (not pointing at you, just a general comment). I don't think any of them are purposely going out there and not trying. When we were playing at such a high level and we relied on team work and everyone putting in 100% week in week out, rather than a team full of ability. The slightest drop off can make a big difference.

 

If winning the league has caused a lack of desire or hunger, or switched people off mentally a bit, or a few have eyes elsewhere, then a drop of a few percent across the board could cause an issue. We lauded the marginal gains thinking behind our success under Pearson.  Perhaps we've gone the other way and everyone's efforts or concentration has dropped off a few percent, from the manager down. I think that could be where we are at the moment.

Yep that makes lots of sense.

I'm going to throw something else in the mix too. I genuinely feel, because our midfield is so poor and our style of play so obvious now (it's essentially become long ball) this seeming lack of 'effort' is because certain players are fed up of making runs when the ball just isn't coming to them enough. It's not about money, improved contracts and 'fame' in my opinion. It's more likely due to how we are playing on the pitch and the personnel we are using. Making yet another gut bursting 30 yard run to AGAIN not receive the ball must be utterly aggravating for players who last season WERE getting good quality delivery. 

Again, I don't think it's rocket science. If we were seeing a midfield of Drinkwater and Silva (for instance) rather than Amartey and King, we'd look much better overall. Imagine getting into space, busting a fookin gut, for Amartey or King to lay off yet another 5 yard, square pass. Utterly demoralising I suspect.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Yep that makes lots of sense.

I'm going to throw something else in the mix too. I genuinely feel, because our midfield is so poor and our style of play so obvious now (it's essentially become long ball) this seeming lack of 'effort' is because certain players are fed up of making runs when the ball just isn't coming to them enough. It's not about money, improved contracts and 'fame' in my opinion. It's more likely due to how we are playing on the pitch and the personnel we are using. Making yet another gut bursting 30 yard run to AGAIN not receive the ball must be utterly aggravating for players who last season WERE getting good quality delivery. 

Again, I don't think it's rocket science. If we were seeing a midfield of Drinkwater and Silva (for instance) rather than Amartey and King, we'd look much better overall. Imagine getting into space, busting a fookin gut, for Amartey or King to lay off yet another 5 yard, square pass. Utterly demoralising I suspect.

This seems a very human response to the problem, yes. 

[blue army 1988]

9 hours ago, foxtillidrop said:

Sounds crazy but is Vardy being told not to chase the ball and press in order for him to stay injury free? Is the lack of effort an intentional tactic of the coaching staff to keep the players fresh and ready to give 100 percent for the champs league in feb?

Can't see this. We have plenty of cover in that position now compared to last year when he was doing all that. 

[foxinsocks]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Yep that makes lots of sense.

I'm going to throw something else in the mix too. I genuinely feel, because our midfield is so poor and our style of play so obvious now (it's essentially become long ball) this seeming lack of 'effort' is because certain players are fed up of making runs when the ball just isn't coming to them enough. It's not about money, improved contracts and 'fame' in my opinion. It's more likely due to how we are playing on the pitch and the personnel we are using. Making yet another gut bursting 30 yard run to AGAIN not receive the ball must be utterly aggravating for players who last season WERE getting good quality delivery. 

Again, I don't think it's rocket science. If we were seeing a midfield of Drinkwater and Silva (for instance) rather than Amartey and King, we'd look much better overall. Imagine getting into space, busting a fookin gut, for Amartey or King to lay off yet another 5 yard, square pass. Utterly demoralising I suspect.

Good point. ... there is little hope of receiving the ball at the mo.

But still moving between the centre backs hives them a geadache and breaks concentration.

The fact that king cant play a pass thru shouldn't stop us from pressing the ball.  

 

Shinji runs to the ball and flicks it off. When he's on mahrez and vardy get more ball.... as an alternative to the long drinky pass.

 

Part of getting back to last year is shinji on.... and pressing them in their half thereby reducing the quality of the balls into their mid field(whick would help given our mid field ).... it is all connected 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

Good point. ... there is little hope of receiving the ball at the mo.

But still moving between the centre backs hives them a geadache and breaks concentration.

The fact that king cant play a pass thru shouldn't stop us from pressing the ball.  

 

Shinji runs to the ball and flicks it off. When he's on mahrez and vardy get more ball.... as an alternative to the long drinky pass.

 

Part of getting back to last year is shinji on.... and pressing them in their half thereby reducing the quality of the balls into their mid field(whick would help given our mid field ).... it is all connected 

It is all connected mate. Look at how we are playing. Tells us all we need to know.

Returning to my youth and the naff standard of football I used to play at, I can still remember how it felt playing with players who you just knew wouldn't win it and give it.

I used to play at centre mid myself and was never the quickest! But the bursts I'd make into the opposition last third, just hoping to receive a ball that often just didn't come.... I'm sure my team mates felt exactly the same... it makes you stop trying so hard. Our attacking players at the moment are receiving sod all of quality. You can see it when you watch Vardy...he's returned to his former, frustrated self.

Drinkwater can't do all the playmaking on his own. He's expected to win ball, look up, play all the passes, make all the bursts. It's too much.