Lack of effort

[Churchill]

I keep seeing people mention a lack of effort or I hear it on the radio, I'm not so sure that's the case I am seeing a lot of huff and puff from the players maybe not the same closing down but I think Kante played a massive part to that side of the game, I do think they are trying and all this rubbish about new contracts they don't care anymore for me isn't true. I think it all boils down to the fact they are being asked to play a system that isn't working for what ever reason and there is a lot of frustration because of it, Mahrez has always been lazy and loves a dummy spit Claudio mentioned this when we sold Kramaric, he said we can only afford to have one player not closing down and that was Mahrez. As for Vardy the poor blokes confidence must be at an all time low, he hasn't scored since Liverpool back in September and he got no end of abuse whilst on international duty during the summer.

 

I think its more down to the fact they have a lack of ideas than a lack of effort, frustrated because they know what there capable of but it just isn't coming off and probably a lack of confidence has crept into the camp with us losing our main man in the middle. Lets hope Mendy coming back sorts us out and gets us playing back to our best, 95% of them players won the premier league last season so they aren't bad players and soon as we get it right I think we will see the Leicester of last season, well I hope so anyway.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Sorry to hi-jack your post but is anyone else fed up of people banging on about Kante? Get over it ffs. 

[Churchill]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Sorry to hi-jack your post but is anyone else fed up of people banging on about Kante? Get over it ffs. 

I don't think its a case of getting over Kante, I'm making a point. I'm not crying out for him to come back, just stating where I think its going wrong and I don't think its down to a lack of effort.

[filbertway]

Yeah I tend to agree, I don't think it's down to a lack of effort. A lot of it boils down to a massive lack of quality we've had in the middle. Meaning the defence aren't  protected, the defence aren't comfortable passing to the midfield (aside from Drinky having to come within about 5 yards of them to pick the ball up), we're not winning enough in the middle and we're struggling to play purposeful forward balls.

 

I suppose everyone is fumbling around for a reason we've been so terrible, but that's my take.

 

We don't have a player that can turn an opposition corner into a free kick on the edge of the opposition's box within about 10 seconds.

 

I'm so sure that with a quality RB, CB and 2 quality CM's being brought in we'd have a squad capable of turning these drab losses/draws into commanding wins. We may even be able to give teams in the top 6 a game again.

 

Attracting those kind of players shouldn't be hard, we're in the most financially lucrative league in the world. We should be capable of picking up 4 players from around the world that can do a good job.

[foxy boxing]

it is just so easy to say ' lack of effort' when we are losing and i just don't buy into that. all players go into games trying their best but for some reason they cannot perform to the standard they have set themselves.just running around the football pitch doesn't mean you are making an effort, it is about creating something and about showing the qualities that everyone knows you have and supporting your team mates

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

we're not winning enough in the middle

I've just looked, and we're not winning enough ball all over the pitch... I've checked most of the team so far and to a man their tackle stats way are down. In the case of Mahrez they are off the charts bad compared to last season.

[filbertway]

12 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I've just looked, and we're not winning enough ball all over the pitch... I've checked most of the team so far and to a man their tackle stats way are down. In the case of Mahrez they are off the charts bad compared to last season.

Not surprising really, I do think it's a lot down the fact there were 2 players working their socks off in the middle helping.

 

So in Riyad's case, they would cut off a wingers passing option inside giving Riyad a higher chance of making a tackle or block.

 

Amartey looks so lost in midfield and Kingy basically patrols space rather being being proactive and trying to win the ball. It's mad to think we haven't played 3 in midfield really.

 

*Edited to say, do you have a link to those stats? I feel like piling more misery on myself by looking at how inept we are this season

[Churchill]

Something else I have noticed which is going off topic slightly is Claudio rarely stays at a club longer than two seasons.

[Ted Maul]

Whether it's laziness, lack of confidence, players hiding, frustration, the wrong personnel- it just isn't working. We're second to every header, and lose every second ball. When we do get hold of it, we don't look like we can keep it for more than 3 passes.

 

3 in the middle or 3 at the back might help so we've got some extra bodies in there, but my gut feeling is that we're carrying a few passengers this year, and it's for a combination of reasons- e.g. 2 players who can't be bothered, 4 players out of form, 2 who aren't good enough- it just doesn't equate to a competitive side.

 

[sylofox]

17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I've just looked, and we're not winning enough ball all over the pitch... I've checked most of the team so far and to a man their tackle stats way are down. In the case of Mahrez they are off the charts bad compared to last season.

Love to see Vardy last season to this season. Then see the op say they are trying. He chased nothing down compared to last season. Let's defenders knock the ball around never did that last season.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Not surprising really, I do think it's a lot down the fact there were 2 players working their socks off in the middle helping.

 

So in Riyad's case, they would cut off a wingers passing option inside giving Riyad a higher chance of making a tackle or block.

 

Amartey looks so lost in midfield and Kingy basically patrols space rather being being proactive and trying to win the ball. It's mad to think we haven't played 3 in midfield really.

 

*Edited to say, do you have a link to those stats? I feel like piling more misery on myself by looking at how inept we are this season

I just went on to squawka and compared each player per 90 for this season and last.

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

I just went on to squawka and compared each player per 90 for this season and last.

Ahh good old squawka, nice one. Will have a look over lunch. I might compare Gueye with Amartey this season just to rub salt into the wounds.

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Ahh good old squawka, nice one. Will have a look over lunch. I might compare Gueye with Amartey this season just to rub salt into the wounds.

Compare the attacking stats... they are quite favourable.

 

Do not, seriously DO NOT, compare tackling stats.

 

I actually think he has the ability if he throws of the shackles and ups his tempo. Watching Gueye the other night he takes risks and has a high tempo. Dan is playing too safe, you can see he's scared to make an error, but that's actually leading to him making errors by standing off.

 

He's looked his best when he just goes for it.

[sylofox]

Conspiracy theory.

 

Did CR get pissed off with people saying it's Pearson's side it's pearson that built the spirit. All last season.

 

So now CR is proving it was him that made us title winners. Now he is making us a championship side.

 

He will then keep us up and win the CL after Top gives him a new contract.

 

Just a thought. Oh by the way Kieth Vaz is a Martian.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, Churchill said:

I don't think its a case of getting over Kante, I'm making a point. I'm not crying out for him to come back, just stating where I think its going wrong and I don't think its down to a lack of effort.

Sorry mate I wasn't having a go, it's just I see him brought up in literally every other post and it's a bit boring now. 

[filbertway]

33 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Sorry mate I wasn't having a go, it's just I see him brought up in literally every other post and it's a bit boring now. 

Haha, him and Pearson. It's painful reading both sides.

[Kitchandro]

No, they're not trying, it's as simple as that. You stick on a video of a match from last season and try and tell me that they're putting in the same effort. Not a chance.

It's a gradual process but it has seeped into our play like bacteria.

It starts with not chasing lost causes.

 

Then the pressing drops off.

 

Then movement off the ball stops because you think it's never coming near you (a particular issue for us I'd suggest)

 

Then you start throwing your arms in the air when you give the ball away instead of tracking back to win it again.

 

Then you stop closing them down altogether.

And finally, you even start pulling out of challenges. We're at this bottom stage now. And we've been doing all of the above.

We're struggling largely because the intensity isn't there. The system is the same we played last season if you remember, it's just Kante isn't there. So you can't say they can't play the system, it's just hindered because we're missing a crucial player.

 

But that doesn't excuse the individual performances, or lack of, from most of our players. I won't be sparing them the blame, especially if the manager could be losing his job because of it.
 

[Kitchandro]

By the way, I do think we should change the system, for what it's worth. But you can still try and make the most of it, do the basics. Show some sort of bottle and pride as an individual.

 

I'm not seeing any pride from them at the moment.

[cc_star]

3 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

By the way, I do think we should change the system, for what it's worth. But you can still try and make the most of it, do the basics. Show some sort of bottle and pride as an individual.

 

I'm not seeing any pride from them at the moment.

Quite

 

It's irrelevant how they line-up while they're playing how they are

There's no chasing lost causes, there's no dying for the team, there's a basic lack of pride as a professional

No one gets anywhere without hardwork & we're being out-ran by everyone... moving players around on the pitch won't change that.

 

As a manager you get the performance levels you accept, we are reaping what Ranieri accepts

[Crazy Kop Corner]

As great as Kante was he didn't play the first few games last season and we were excellent. It's not just Kante.

 

I thought they looked unfit on Saturday. Again I'm not sure if this is the case or it's just poor body language in terms of they know things are not going well.

 

I still think if we could get the mid field sorted (possibly with Ndidi or Silva  and Drinkwater) and play players on form e.g Grey, Oki our poor play and form will turn around.

[adam95581]

I think it is most definitely down to a lack of effort. We're regularly covering less distance than our opponents and that's not because we're making them work without the ball because we have less possession too.

 

Other than last week where Vardy forced a corner off Billy Jones I haven't seen him chase a lost cause in ages. 

[Monsell1976]

See I thought lack of effort early season, but not sure if this was down to poor fitness, after a pointless trip around the world, wasting time traveling, rather than working on fitness.

Now after the poor start it's down to confidence, its shot, and lack of consistency in players performance, well lack of player performance, is making the problems worse every week.

From the managers to the players, they are paid wages most people can only dream of, so whatever it is, it's time for them to figure out what it is, and sort it fast, and do the jobs they are paid to do.

[Fox92]

They aren't trying. It's not difficult to see.

 

But that's on top of the fact they aren't good enough/some players underperforming.

[Nod.E]

Such an uneducated and flippant response to our form to put it down to effort.

Yeah they have new contracts and fancy motors, but put your jealousy aside for a second and realise that that has nothing to do with our performance on the pitch or a perceived a lack of trying.

If anything from an output point of view you could argue it's a psychological thing. It must be hard for the players to motivate themselves at this point. They've just won the league and now they know that is not going to repeat itself. Once you've reached the heights, and the same is not possible this season, what have you got to play for? Granted, respect, professional competitiveness - but subconsciously that doesn't quite stack up to the same levels as playing for a title. That doesn't mean they're not trying. Effort is a direct result of conscious output, and you can't tell me there's a player on that pitch consciously thinking that they can't be bothered, and choosing not to do things because of their ego. Let's not forget, attitude was right at the top of the priority list when Steve Walsh recruited these players. If you're seeing a comparative lack of drive, that is purely psychological. It's that subconscious extra couple of percent.    

However, that's not why we're losing games. We're losing games because, as has been mentioned, now that Kanté has left we don't have the players to play our system. That's not 'crying about Kanté' - leave your childish accusations out of this - it's a strategic observation that his absence is the reason we're not operating at the same levels. 

Claudio could be criticized for not adjusting to Mendy's injury by adopting to a new formation. He hasn't, but to suggest he should get the sack now is nothing short of moronic. And don't hide behind the 'right to an opinion' rubbish. Yeah you can have your opinion but I withhold the right to call it a fvcking stupid one.

Let's see how we fair once Mendy and Drinkwater are in our starting 11. Maybe Vardy will score a goal and find some confidence - he is a player who has throughout his time here gone through black and white phases of polarizing baron and fruitful form. 

In the meantime can we chill the fvck out. Even just slightly? 

[lgfualol]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

I've just looked, and we're not winning enough ball all over the pitch... I've checked most of the team so far and to a man their tackle stats way are down. In the case of Mahrez they are off the charts bad compared to last season.

Just had a look myself and those stats are shocking. Wish they had stats for ground covered too, we must be amongst the lowest.