Lack of effort

[shade]

it's hard to get motivated when you wake up on silk sheets.

[Struwwelpeter60]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

They aren't trying. It's not difficult to see.

Yeah, therefore Huth, with blood all over his face from a cut, was heading away ball after ball.

And Morgan, who has played every minute of every game in the last 2 years was, as last

week, the one, who was fighting to the last second and almost scored the equalizer at the death.

 

Btw: How was your workrate as a supporter?

       Were you also underperforming?

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Yeah, therefore Huth, with blood all over his face from a cut, was heading away ball after ball.

And Morgan, who has played every minute of every game in the last 2 years was, as last

week, the one, who was fighting to the last second and almost scored the equalizer at the death.

 

Btw: How was your workrate as a supporter?

       Were you also underperforming?

Huth and Morgan should have been replaced, that's my point, especially considering their age and the fact they overachieved last season.

 

But I don't get your point at all. Are you blaming blood on his face for losing his man who scored the goal?

 

And not that it matters but I've been to every home game and every away game apart from Liverpool. That enough?

[Struwwelpeter60]

6 minutes ago, shade said:

it's hard to get motivated when you wake up on silk sheets.

It wasn't exactly a team of paupers, that won us the title last season.

[Buzzell]

Just now, Fox92 said:

Huth and Morgan should have been replaced, that's my point, especially considering their age and the fact they overachieved last season.

 

But I don't get your point at all. Are you blaming blood on his face for losing his man who scored the goal?

 

And not that it matters but I've been to every home game and every away game apart from Liverpool. That enough? 

No. You plastic b*stard 

[shade]

2 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

It wasn't exactly a team of paupers, that won us the title last season.

relative to the other teams at the top, it definitely was.

[blue army 1988]

Vardy not making the same runs he did last year. I would say that was lack of effort.

[Struwwelpeter60]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

But I don't get your point at all.

You were claiming, that the players  aren't even trying.

For some (Mahrez? Vardy?) that may be true.

But not for our two oldest players. 

Sure, they are not known for their fancy footwork and

their way of defending is certainly a bit old-fashioned.

But for exact the same reason (being old-fashioned)

they never give up and are no crybabies.

Yes, I think they look tired and need a rest. But it is

not their fault, that they have to play every game,

because we have no back-ups for them.

[AKCJ]

Kante is world class, he improves every side in the world and is our greatest ever player.

 

Of course we miss him and of course we look 100x worse without him.

 

We'll just need to find a reasonable midfielder in Jan or hope that Mendy comes back to full fitness and stays that way and we'll be fine. We'll go back to being a 8th-14th team who competes for the odd cup and who goes on the odd barnstorming run.

 

Last season was the greatest anomaly not only our own history but in the history of English football. It won't happen again and we should cherish it, thank our lucky stars that it happened to us and hope that the dark days of League One/fighting relegation in the Championship never return. We are Leicester, we're not Manchester United. We don't have a right to win leagues/Cups and we don't have the resources to compete in 4 competitions (League, Champs League, League Cup, FA Cup) so we'll just have to deal with it. We all fell in love with the little old Leicester that not many people cared about so why is this Leicester side (which if the season finished tomorrow would mean our 4th best finish this millennium) not good enough for you all? Don't get it. I'm buzzing for my flight tomorrow, i'm buzzing for Man City on Saturday, i'm buzzing for boxing day against West Ham. This is what we dream about? Remember when we were playing Plymouth? Cov? Notts Forest? Come on lads, this is ****ing excellent.

 

We're currently 16th and we can all see that we're playing as bad as we possibly ca. This side has zero confidence and we'll just have to wait for our break so that we can build on it. Currently we're conceding unfortunate goals in every single game (Phillips, Negredo 1st and Huth OG) that are costing us. Luck isn't on our side but we're not doing enough to ensure that we turn it around, it's difficult because everyone wants to beat us and our 2 best players are out and our other 2 best players are in awful form.

 

Relegation just isn't going to happen. This is a transitional season for us. After Jan and the next summer window we're likely to have a very different side to the one which won the league.

 

As Stevie G said. We go again.

 

x

[leicesterlad1989]

There is a clear lack of desire this season compared to last, it's so obvious to see. That doesn't mean that ALL of the players are not trying. I don't for one minute believe that any of the players go out on the field and don't try at all. Some of the players are lacking the same desire as last season.

 

Too many players are lacking that fire in their belly, which they had in abundance last season. As a collective unit they are not working hard enough. This is possibly down to the personnel in the midfield but that's down to the manager to address.

 

Drinkwater and Okazaki have been our two stand out players so far this season - they clearly make us tick. The likes of Huth and Morgan have put in 'effort' but they seemed to have aged badly over the summer. Whether that's due to a poor pre-season, I am unsure.

 

This is now where Ranieri earns his big wage. Never mind last season. When the going gets tough, the class should show. I am hoping that his man management skills that have constantly spoken about, shine and he pulls them all together.

 

 

[foxinsocks]

it is not vardy's effort - he is too wide.  he has been Hodgsoned into staying wide - this makes it easy for the central defenders...

[cc_star]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

it is not vardy's effort - he is too wide.  he has been Hodgsoned into staying wide - this makes it easy for the central defenders...

 

Can't agree I'm afraid.

 

He picking & choosing what to chase, Vs never giving up chasing everything. He also stands marked out the game a lot, instead of jockeying for space

 

And don't mention the fact he's not even had a PL shot on target for over two months

[leicesterlad1989]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

it is not vardy's effort - he is too wide.  he has been Hodgsoned into staying wide - this makes it easy for the central defenders...

 

Well he's lacking something. The only thing he has done consistently this season is slightly crouch whilst pointing at opposition players.

[foxinsocks]

53 minutes ago, cc_star said:

 

Can't agree I'm afraid.

 

He picking & choosing what to chase, Vs never giving up chasing everything. He also stands marked out the game a lot, instead of jockeying for space

 

And don't mention the fact he's not even had a PL shot on target for over two months

I do agee he needs to start moving.   If he is between the centre backs they have to keep checking who's got him.... it gives them a full time job... 

But if he is out wide it is too easy for them

[foxtillidrop]

Sounds crazy but is Vardy being told not to chase the ball and press in order for him to stay injury free? Is the lack of effort an intentional tactic of the coaching staff to keep the players fresh and ready to give 100 percent for the champs league in feb?

[STUHILL]

I'm always hesitant to say poor results are due to a lack of effort, as a lot of the time, that is just a naive cop-out for not getting to the real causes. However, as MOTD picked up on at the weekend, we are just not closing the opposition down, and we are leaving players unmarked and giving them as much time as they want on the ball. I simply don't believe that Claudio is telling them not to close down or mark them, so it must be down to the player's lack of effort or stupidity. Makes no sense to me, to see players like Vardy, who was charging down anyone who had the ball last season, to just casually jogging around and putting no pressure on. I'm starting to wonder whether these players started to believe their own hype and now think that all the dirty work they did last year, is not needed to win games. You can say it is due to a lack of confidence, but that doesn't explain a complete lack of intensity. We need a kick up the arse, as most these players are no better than the players of Middlesborough, Bournemouth, WBA etc, and the reasons we did so well last year, were because of our amazing intensity, work-rate and team spirit. Without them, we are relegation material.. as we are now showing. Sort your lives out boys and up the tempo and desire!

 

 

 

[dayday]

I don't buy into this lack of effort theory.

 

I think it's a confidence issue, because as mentioned the formation doesn't work, we have the worst midfield in the league and it has caused a knock on effect, the defence have no protection, the forwards have no supply 

 

Our only hope is that in January Ranieri makes the right signings, and if  we can get a RB, CB and another midfielder in, we can get back on track.

 

We still have a nucleus of a very good side

[STUHILL]

15 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Kante is world class, he improves every side in the world and is our greatest ever player.

 

Of course we miss him and of course we look 100x worse without him.

 

We'll just need to find a reasonable midfielder in Jan or hope that Mendy comes back to full fitness and stays that way and we'll be fine. We'll go back to being a 8th-14th team who competes for the odd cup and who goes on the odd barnstorming run.

 

Last season was the greatest anomaly not only our own history but in the history of English football. It won't happen again and we should cherish it, thank our lucky stars that it happened to us and hope that the dark days of League One/fighting relegation in the Championship never return. We are Leicester, we're not Manchester United. We don't have a right to win leagues/Cups and we don't have the resources to compete in 4 competitions (League, Champs League, League Cup, FA Cup) so we'll just have to deal with it. We all fell in love with the little old Leicester that not many people cared about so why is this Leicester side (which if the season finished tomorrow would mean our 4th best finish this millennium) not good enough for you all? Don't get it. I'm buzzing for my flight tomorrow, i'm buzzing for Man City on Saturday, i'm buzzing for boxing day against West Ham. This is what we dream about? Remember when we were playing Plymouth? Cov? Notts Forest? Come on lads, this is ****ing excellent.

 

We're currently 16th and we can all see that we're playing as bad as we possibly ca. This side has zero confidence and we'll just have to wait for our break so that we can build on it. Currently we're conceding unfortunate goals in every single game (Phillips, Negredo 1st and Huth OG) that are costing us. Luck isn't on our side but we're not doing enough to ensure that we turn it around, it's difficult because everyone wants to beat us and our 2 best players are out and our other 2 best players are in awful form.

 

Relegation just isn't going to happen. This is a transitional season for us. After Jan and the next summer window we're likely to have a very different side to the one which won the league.

 

As Stevie G said. We go again.

 

x

Attitudes like this worry me. I'm all for being positive, but I hope the player's aren't thinking like this. We were soundly beaten by the bottom side of the Premier League at the weekend and these are the exact teams we will be competing with to stay up, and they are all showing a lot more spirit and intensity than us currently. It is too easy to presume luck and form will change at somepoint, as it very often doesn't. The players really need a wake-up call, as even after this awful start and the media criticisms and talk of relegation, they STILL aren't responding! That is a worry and it may have to take a big January window to replace some of our heroes from last year, just to get us over the line and safe. 

[Stan]

18 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Such an uneducated and flippant response to our form to put it down to effort.

Yeah they have new contracts and fancy motors, but put your jealousy aside for a second and realise that that has nothing to do with our performance on the pitch or a perceived a lack of trying.

If anything from an output point of view you could argue it's a psychological thing. It must be hard for the players to motivate themselves at this point. They've just won the league and now they know that is not going to repeat itself. Once you've reached the heights, and the same is not possible this season, what have you got to play for? Granted, respect, professional competitiveness - but subconsciously that doesn't quite stack up to the same levels as playing for a title. That doesn't mean they're not trying. Effort is a direct result of conscious output, and you can't tell me there's a player on that pitch consciously thinking that they can't be bothered, and choosing not to do things because of their ego. Let's not forget, attitude was right at the top of the priority list when Steve Walsh recruited these players. If you're seeing a comparative lack of drive, that is purely psychological. It's that subconscious extra couple of percent.    

However, that's not why we're losing games. We're losing games because, as has been mentioned, now that Kanté has left we don't have the players to play our system. That's not 'crying about Kanté' - leave your childish accusations out of this - it's a strategic observation that his absence is the reason we're not operating at the same levels. 

Claudio could be criticized for not adjusting to Mendy's injury by adopting to a new formation. He hasn't, but to suggest he should get the sack now is nothing short of moronic. And don't hide behind the 'right to an opinion' rubbish. Yeah you can have your opinion but I withhold the right to call it a fvcking stupid one.

Let's see how we fair once Mendy and Drinkwater are in our starting 11. Maybe Vardy will score a goal and find some confidence - he is a player who has throughout his time here gone through black and white phases of polarizing baron and fruitful form. 

In the meantime can we chill the fvck out. Even just slightly? 

Spot on. Close thread.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

21 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Sorry to hi-jack your post but is anyone else fed up of people banging on about Kante? Get over it ffs. 

Massively, one man NEVER makes a team no matter how good they were

[ARTY_FOX]

Vardy doesn't make runs anymore he doesn't press he doesn't come short he just stand's there and walks round for 90 minutes 

[HighPeakFox]

13 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Massively, one man NEVER makes a team no matter how good they were

Absolutely right. However, take the double-functioning cog out of a machine and, mysteriously, the machine starts to falter.

 

And of course, there are plenty of other problems too, I do not deny that - I still retain a great fondness for 3-5-2 for example, and now it might do some good just to freshen things up a bit.

 

I hope this counts as 'opinion'.......

[Guest Col city fan]

I think part of the issue could be effort. I know it's an easy 'excuse' if you like, but if you look at the stats from last season, to this, they do tell part of a story. @Babylon for instance, yesterday compared Mahrez tacking stats this season to last and I believe, claimed they were well down,

That shows that Mahrez is not tracking back to make anywhere near as many tackles this season. I'd see that as 'effort' personally. I wonder what the stats are along the same vein, for Vardy?

Part of the reason why we did so incredibly well last season was due to this 'defending from the front' thing. THIS season, it's nowhere near so apparent.

Either Claudio has told the players to stop doing this (why would he..it worked!?) OR they just aren't making as much effort to do it as they did last season.

I think Vardy probably epitomizes this. Last season, he chased literally everything. Offensively and defensively, he ran down everything...all the lost causes he turned into our advantage.

I don't see him doing this this season? 

[Guest Col city fan]

26 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Absolutely right. However, take the double-functioning cog out of a machine and, mysteriously, the machine starts to falter.

 

And of course, there are plenty of other problems too, I do not deny that - I still retain a great fondness for 3-5-2 for example, and now it might do some good just to freshen things up a bit.

 

I hope this counts as 'opinion'.......

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

19 hours ago, adam95581 said:

I think it is most definitely down to a lack of effort. We're regularly covering less distance than our opponents and that's not because we're making them work without the ball because we have less possession too.

 

Other than last week where Vardy forced a corner off Billy Jones I haven't seen him chase a lost cause in ages. 

This.

 

Lack of effort or lack of closing down of opposition players is a major factor.

 

Thats plain to see but it is anecdotal.

 

The stats quoted above however prove that they are not putting themselves about and therefore contradict the OPs opinion.

 

Why, oh why, would they stop doing something that was an integral part of our success last season? 

 

Why, oh why, when results are so poor would it not be rectified by now? 

 

In what world does letting the opposition have time and space on,and off the ball, result in winning football matches?

 

Its totallly nonsensical.