Babylon Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 31 minutes ago, Royston. said: this gets a rep but if i were to post "shut it naughty nword"..................... Because I'm white... there in lies the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 59 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Is this literally the only dissertation subject in the world? No 17 years ago I wrote mine on football hooliganism and it's relationship to cultural purpose and belonging..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 3 hours ago, Babylon said: Honestly not heard anything in a long time, can't imagine I would as it's fairly decent people around us in SK2. A few bits in the pubs before and after, but more "banteriffic" morons than outright racism. Same here, I honestly can't remember the last time I heard a racist comment in a football stadium. Would be going back ten years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebum Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 Depends on your definition of 'racism', its an over used word these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 3 hours ago, Tuna said: The sad thing is most racists don't realize they are racist. Dealing with Joe Public with my job, you hear an awful lot of it. It will take a generation or two to reeducate people. Some are just ignorant, others just plain stupid! ...and those muslims are terribly racist. Except the ones that agree with inter faith marriage and homosexuality. Oh hang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 5 minutes ago, somebum said: Depends on your definition of 'racism', its an over used word these days. Spot on there pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 5 minutes ago, Head Honcho said: ...and those muslims are terribly racist. Except the ones that agree with inter faith marriage and homosexuality. Oh hang on! I think you mean marriage between Muslims and non Muslims. And if you are, I will tell you that it is OK to marry a Christian or a Jew person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 10 minutes ago, Head Honcho said: ...and those muslims are terribly racist. Except the ones that agree with inter faith marriage and homosexuality. Oh hang on! Racism is forbidden in the Muslim faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 1 minute ago, the fox said: I think you mean marriage between Muslims and non Muslims. And if you are, I will tell you that it is OK to marry a Christian or a Jew person. Not for a woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 1 minute ago, the fox said: Racism is forbidden in the Muslim faith. Bring a kafir, I would say the acceptable prejudice is just as bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 2 minutes ago, the fox said: Racism is forbidden in the Muslim faith. I think they may call it something else then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 We haven't played Millwall, Bristol City or Forest for a while, so it isn't heard too regularly these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Head Honcho said: Not for a woman! Yes, because usually the kids fallow the religion of the father and as a Muslim you are accountable for what your kids end up becoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 9 minutes ago, Head Honcho said: I think they may call it something else then! No. Racism is racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 18 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Bring a kafir, I would say the acceptable prejudice is just as bad You are not allowed to discriminate. Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to stay in the land after they pay the jizya which is an amount of money you pay. Like tax now. Other religions killed,banished and forced them to convert but Islam did not do as such. But I guess that was not in fox news. Here is a good read if you are interested of getting your info from another place other than the media https://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-12.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 Only a matter of time before this turned into a muslim debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 4 minutes ago, the fox said: You are not allowed to discriminate. Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to stay in the land after they pay the jizya which is an amount of money you pay. Like tax now. Other religions killed,banished and forced them to convert but Islam did not do as such. But I guess that was not in fox news. I don't want this to be a religious discussion, but is religious tax not discrimination. From what you say, Islam in treating other religions is inferior to others, many religions have allowed other religions to live freely without such nonsense tax, do you research!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebum Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 4 minutes ago, the fox said: You are not allowed to discriminate. Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to stay in the land after they pay the jizya which is an amount of money you pay. Like tax now. Other religions killed,banished and forced them to convert but Islam did not do as such. But I guess that was not in fox news. Perhaps you could be more specific. When was this exactly? How grateful these kuffir religions must have been to the muslims for allowing them to pay a tax to avoid certain death! Funny enough, you do not hear about persecution of other religious groups by shariah law governed countries like saudi on fox either. What would happen if i opened my bible and read it in public in a park in Jeddah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 5 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: I don't want this to be a religious discussion, but is religious tax not discrimination. From what you say, Islam in treating other religions is inferior to others, many religions have allowed other religions to live freely without such nonsense tax, do you research!! No, they kept other people's dignity and life. Your are allowed to practice your religion and you are not discriminated against. In a time where the only choices are killed, banished or convert. And don't tell me other religions allowed others. Just look at what happened to the Muslims in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 8 minutes ago, somebum said: Perhaps you could be more specific. When was this exactly? How grateful these kuffir religions must have been to the muslims for allowing them to pay a tax to avoid certain death! Funny enough, you do not hear about persecution of other religious groups by shariah law governed countries like saudi on fox either. What would happen if i opened my bible and read it in public in a park in Jeddah? Here is an answer for you " Will Durant wrote: ‘At the time of the Umayyad caliphate, the people of the covenant, Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Sabians, all enjoyed degree of tolerance that we do not find even today in Christian countries. They were free to practice the rituals of their religion and their churches and temples were preserved. They enjoyed autonomy in that they were subject to the religious laws of the scholars and judges.’[2] These just relations between Muslims and people of other faiths were not due to mere politics played by Muslim rulers, but rather they were a direct result of the teachings of the religion of Islam, one which preaches that people of other religions be free to practice their own faith, only accepting the guidance offered by Islam by their own choice. God says in the Quran: "There is no compulsion in religion…" (Quran 2:256) Not only does Islam demand their freedom to practice religion, but also that they be treated justly as any other fellow human. Warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society, the Prophet stated: "Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawud) How far is this mannerism than the majority of nations, to this day, which not only suppress the rights of foreign religions, but also foreign peoples and races! In a time when Muslims were being tortured to death in then pagan Mecca, Jews were being persecuted in Christian Europe, and various peoples were being subjugated due to their particular race or caste, Islam called to the just treatment of all peoples and religions, due to its merciful tenets which gave humanity the right to their humanness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 2 minutes ago, the fox said: No, they kept other people's dignity and life. Your are allowed to practice your religion and you are not discriminated against. In a time where the only choices are killed, banished or convert. And don't tell me other religions allowed others. Just look at what happened to the Muslims in Spain. Mate, I'm.a Kafir which is widely accepted as a derogatory word, and the faith makes a Kafir pay tax for being a non muslim. That is discrimination, look it up in the dictionary. Sorry but making that reference to Spain is like making a reference to Isis. For me this discussion is closed, you can believe whatever stance of history you like. I suggest you research beyond that stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 3 minutes ago, the fox said: Here is an answer for you " Will Durant wrote: ‘At the time of the Umayyad caliphate, the people of the covenant, Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Sabians, all enjoyed degree of tolerance that we do not find even today in Christian countries. They were free to practice the rituals of their religion and their churches and temples were preserved. They enjoyed autonomy in that they were subject to the religious laws of the scholars and judges.’[2] These just relations between Muslims and people of other faiths were not due to mere politics played by Muslim rulers, but rather they were a direct result of the teachings of the religion of Islam, one which preaches that people of other religions be free to practice their own faith, only accepting the guidance offered by Islam by their own choice. God says in the Quran: "There is no compulsion in religion…" (Quran 2:256) Not only does Islam demand their freedom to practice religion, but also that they be treated justly as any other fellow human. Warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society, the Prophet stated: "Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawud) How far is this mannerism than the majority of nations, to this day, which not only suppress the rights of foreign religions, but also foreign peoples and races! In a time when Muslims were being tortured to death in then pagan Mecca, Jews were being persecuted in Christian Europe, and various peoples were being subjugated due to their particular race or caste, Islam called to the just treatment of all peoples and religions, due to its merciful tenets which gave humanity the right to their humanness." You didn't answer the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 38 minutes ago, the fox said: Racism is forbidden in the Muslim faith. So are many things but people who call themselves Muslim still do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said: You didn't answer the question What I mean is, treating other people from other religions is forbidden. And any what that do that willbbe held accountable in this life and on judgment day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 19 January 2017 Share Posted 19 January 2017 21 minutes ago, the fox said: You are not allowed to discriminate. Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to stay in the land after they pay the jizya which is an amount of money you pay. Like tax now. Other religions killed,banished and forced them to convert but Islam did not do as such. But I guess that was not in fox news. Here is a good read if you are interested of getting your info from another place other than the media https://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-12.htm "We're not racist, we just make others pay an extra tax because of their religion on the threat of imprisonment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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