Match Ratings : Derby County 2-2 Leicester City - Vote Now

[ZeGuy]

How people some give more Morgan or Okazaki the same or a better rating than Mahrez beyond me. Ref is man of the match.

[foxaholic]

3 hours ago, Thracian said:

Kasper 6 (One vital save near the end). 

 

Simpson 5 (Nothing special at all). 

 

Morgan 6 (The equaliser helped but he looked so ponderous)

 

Huth 5 (Had the touch of a lampost. Didn't dominate as he often did in previous seasons)

 

Fuchs 5 (Not comfortable. Derby were quite a threat at times down our left)

 

Albrighton 7 (Encouraging. Man a goal however fortuitously, Tried so hard to get different crosses in and fashioned chances in doing so for all that we often didn't have enough players trying to get on the end of them).

 

King 7 (Was never required to get forward but to be the retainer and distributor. Did the job well in what was a much improved team effort compared with Southampton).   

 

Drinkwater 6 (Looked tired to me but still tried hard enough. Even had a shot!)

 

Chilwell 6.5 (Very positive and promising. Involved himself well and took responsibility for all that not everything came off and he still showed inexperience at times. Another step forward taken)

 

Shinji 6 (Get him some proper studs for pity's sake. Forever on the floor but still brought one good save and had one more golden chance to score which at least he got on target. Never a natural striker though, basically a supplementary workhorse)

 

Vardy  4 (One excellent chance from a header which was hopelessly underpowered and misdirected. Otherwise our most disappointing player by a distance. I don't think a lack of supply was a credible excuse this time. We got enough balls into the box both in the air and on the ground but he wasn't alive to them. Way short of his best).

 

Ranieri 6 (Got the team motivated well enough but didn't apply maximum pressure until we were losing. Has no concept of the idea of getting on top and keeping the pressure on constantly. He's more reacting to each goal - defend if we're in front, attack more if we go behind. It's calculating but flawed and is like a straightjacket at times, and as a philosophy)     

 

As for Clattenberg, no complaints. Refereed the game sensibly, commanded respect, made good decisions and almost always seemed well positioned. 

We were never as bad as all the comments and rating suggest they said on tele an excellent game . Surely for a struggling premier side against a high flying championship side a draw is hardly a disaster

[Thracian]

8 hours ago, foxaholic said:

We were never as bad as all the comments and rating suggest they said on tele an excellent game . Surely for a struggling premier side against a high flying championship side a draw is hardly a disaster

No-one's beaten them at Pride Park in any competition since McLaren's return so to run them to a standstill and a replay's not so bad when put in context. 

   

[Blue Ed]

Mostly average 5's and 6s for Albrighton and Gray, 7 for Shinji

[Thracian]

8 hours ago, foxaholic said:

We were never as bad as all the comments and rating suggest they said on tele an excellent game . Surely for a struggling premier side against a high flying championship side a draw is hardly a disaster

 

It was brilliant to watch for me. Lots of incident, drama and change of fortune right up to our late equaliser and even beyond.

I also thought it was played in the right manner with no con tricks and showboating like you get with some teams. 

  

[crazyleicester]

On 27/01/2017 at 21:56, The Doctor said:

Ranieri - 4 - too negative to start with, and the tactics seemed to be as nuanced as "just boot it, it'll work eventually." Unfortunately what I saw was enough for me to say it's time to part ways. Doesn't seem to know how to get this team back.

He picked a 442 and tactically got it right as for once we bossed the ball, chances and overall possession. As for the boot it comment its typical of people who are clueless in here. Did you not see the bit when the ball went out for a throw in and he retrieved it and started going mental at the players for not passing it around and were playing more hoofball? It was the most clear message a manager can give to his team and I thought everyone picked that up. Unfortunately, teaching 30 something defenders to pass the ball when they think they are getting paid more money the longer airtime the ball gets is not a training issue, its how they play the game,

 

As for you saying its time to sack him, you are being a disgrace. 6 months ago this dude guided us to the prem title and a couple of months ago he guided us to the Champions League KO stage, a comp BTW we are still in. We are also still in the FA Cup whilst the likes of Liverpool arent and will be in the next draw. We are far from flying in the league but are also not bottom. We are 5 points and 5 places from that mark. A couple of wins and we can be mid-table.

 

Git a grip FFS

[Osavo]

Schmeichel 6 - did what he had to pretty well

 

Simpson 4 - defensively rocky and distribution was diabolical

Morgan 5 - gets an extra point for the header but pretty poor

Huth 4 - terrified of the ball

Fuchs 5 - Chilwell a better option at the minute. Lost a lot of pace over the last couple of months 

 

Albrighton 6 - worked hard but crossing wasn't great 

Drinkwater 6 - improved as the game went on

King 5 - done far too easily by Bryson for the goal. Only ever passes backwards

Chilwell 6 - not a left midfielder to be fair to the lad. Should get a run at left back

 

Okazaki 6 - worked hard but created very little. Produced a good save from Carson but should have scored after Gray hit the post. 

Vardy 3 - terrible. Barely touched the ball and missed a sitter of a chance. Completely out of sorts

 

Gray 7 - injected some creativity and pace into a lacklustre side. Unlucky not to score

Mahrez 7 - class above. Created chances and looked too good for their defence

Musa 4 - looked lost as per

 

Ranieri 5 stay - shouldn't have started Chilwell and Albrighton, that was too conservative. 4-4-2 was the correct formation, personnel within it was wrong. Did well to get the players motivated for the second half.

[The Doctor]

5 hours ago, crazyleicester said:

He picked a 442 and tactically got it right as for once we bossed the ball, chances and overall possession. As for the boot it comment its typical of people who are clueless in here. Did you not see the bit when the ball went out for a throw in and he retrieved it and started going mental at the players for not passing it around and were playing more hoofball? It was the most clear message a manager can give to his team and I thought everyone picked that up. Unfortunately, teaching 30 something defenders to pass the ball when they think they are getting paid more money the longer airtime the ball gets is not a training issue, its how they play the game,

He picked two left backs to contain a championship winger, when Gray or Mahrez would have frightened the living bejeezus out of them. Negative. As for the constant hoofing, he may have had a go right at the end, but that's still 70-80 minutes of trying to punt it over the top for Vardy.

 

 

[LcFc_Smiv]

On 28/01/2017 at 07:22, ttfn said:

Okazaki held onto it because Vardy failed to either shake his marker or draw the defender far enough away from Okazaki to open up the space for him to run through.

 

As for him getting "no service" I must have imagined the free header he had 6 yards out that he gift-wrapped for Carson.

 

His movement, which was arguably the stand out attribute of his most successful time at the club, now reminds me of Beckford's. Running down blind alleys or worse still just standing there and not moving at all.

 

 

There was a clear pass on, we also had Chilwell breaking to the left. The same free header where he put himself in space, yes he should have done better but we've seen better players miss similar, and it's no lack of effort more a lack of confidence. Are we going to criticise Gray and Okazaki who both should have done better with their respective chances.

[crazyleicester]

6 hours ago, The Doctor said:

He picked two left backs to contain a championship winger, when Gray or Mahrez would have frightened the living bejeezus out of them. Negative. As for the constant hoofing, he may have had a go right at the end, but that's still 70-80 minutes of trying to punt it over the top for Vardy.

 

 

Managers and coaches say what they need to pre game and at half time and Im sure the message isnt to hoof. Our defenders are just terrible at it and more responsibility needs to go on our central mids to come and pick it up and get things going. BTW, Giving direction as the game is going when players are concentrating on play and the fans are screaming is not usually the right time to do it but on this occasion the ball was out of play and he kept the ball and started going mental telling them to pass the ball on the deck. 

 

As for Mahrez well the lad was playing in the Afcon so it wasnt wise to start him as Im certain he would be knackered, maybe some jet lag slung in. Gray has started a few games recently and I cant remember a goal or an assist so far. Dont get me wrong Im a big fan and he will in the years to come be a major player when he learns to look up and pick a pass as he has the ability (I reckon a cert for England) but he lacks defensive work. You talk about Fuchs and Chilwell like they were banned from leaving the half way line or that they havent got attacking intent but they both have. We may have defenders who cant pass the ball but our best two are Chilwell and Fuchs. From all reports of Chilwell people have been raving at him on England duty because he is that Luke Shaw type who bombs forward and is better at attacking then defending. Fuchs has already scored a great goal this season and has a wonderful left foot which we hardly see at Leicester. Anyway they both negated one of the Championships in form players. Im not a fan of Ince but on his day he is a handful. He did fudge all in the game and was anonymous.

 

One final point to those who want us to play 442 with two midfielders being wingers, cant you see thats why we are always overrun and never have the ball? Even Chelsea play 3 centre backs and have attacking wing backs and cant afford out and out wingers and play with a load of number 10s. Spurs play with a back 4 but after one defensive midfielder that have 1 striker and 4 no 10s again. Arsenal do the same and have even converted a winger to a striker in Sanchez but are loaded with midfield playmakers who run around and plug gaps and are always on the move. Liverpool is another example of that style with so many midfielders attacking midfielders from Can to Lallana, Countinho to Mane. Why people keep talking like we should play two out and out strikers in Slim with Vardy and two wingers is bloody baffling. It doesnt work as we just get out numbered and dont see the ball enough.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, crazyleicester said:

Managers and coaches say what they need to pre game and at half time and Im sure the message isnt to hoof. Our defenders are just terrible at it and more responsibility needs to go on our central mids to come and pick it up and get things going. BTW, Giving direction as the game is going when players are concentrating on play and the fans are screaming is not usually the right time to do it but on this occasion the ball was out of play and he kept the ball and started going mental telling them to pass the ball on the deck. 

So the players were completely ignoring Ranieris tactics? They weren't even trying to play a passing game...

 

As for Mahrez well the lad was playing in the Afcon so it wasnt wise to start him as Im certain he would be knackered, maybe some jet lag slung in. Gray has started a few games recently and I cant remember a goal or an assist so far. Dont get me wrong Im a big fan and he will in the years to come be a major player when he learns to look up and pick a pass as he has the ability (I reckon a cert for England) but he lacks defensive work. You talk about Fuchs and Chilwell like they were banned from leaving the half way line or that they havent got attacking intent but they both have. We may have defenders who cant pass the ball but our best two are Chilwell and Fuchs. From all reports of Chilwell people have been raving at him on England duty because he is that Luke Shaw type who bombs forward and is better at attacking then defending. Fuchs has already scored a great goal this season and has a wonderful left foot which we hardly see at Leicester. Anyway they both negated one of the Championships in form players. Im not a fan of Ince but on his day he is a handful. He did fudge all in the game and was anonymous.

 

Starting Mahrez doesn't mean he has to finish the ninety, but to start with no creative players, just trying to contain a championship side is ridiculously negative. They're not that good that we should set up to contain. 

 

One final point to those who want us to play 442 with two midfielders being wingers, cant you see thats why we are always overrun and never have the ball? Even Chelsea play 3 centre backs and have attacking wing backs and cant afford out and out wingers and play with a load of number 10s. Spurs play with a back 4 but after one defensive midfielder that have 1 striker and 4 no 10s again. Arsenal do the same and have even converted a winger to a striker in Sanchez but are loaded with midfield playmakers who run around and plug gaps and are always on the move. Liverpool is another example of that style with so many midfielders attacking midfielders from Can to Lallana, Countinho to Mane. Why people keep talking like we should play two out and out strikers in Slim with Vardy and two wingers is bloody baffling. It doesnt work as we just get out numbered and dont see the ball enough.

 

We're overrun in the premier league. Derby are not a premier league and we were pumping them practically every time we met them when we were supposed to be roughly on a par. As for the last line - I'm not arguing for Slimani-Vardy, a #10 with one of them (or musa) ahead is what I would want, with some flair and creative intent.

[crazyleicester]

Are you being serious? I havent seen one game this season where we created more clear chances that the game v Derby. I also cant remember the last time we had two thirds of  possession (and we all know not much of that is the tikka takka balls between defence and midfield) and created 11 corners. Mahrez starting wouldnt have been wise with him coming back from the Afcon and I thought he looked sharp coming off the bench as Derby tired. As for the hoofball, we just havent got the players at the back to do anything but and that includes Kasper. He has no confidence in rolling it out to defenders in space like 90% of GKs today and just hoofs it out himself and sometimes at 100mph where he is aiming for a Vardy who wastes loads more energy for nothing. Finally on this as its just a difference between we see the game obviously, we have a few creative players but they dont seem to be creating. We need more and Id love us to get Sigurdsson to play behind Vardy or even switch Gray to the wing and try Mahrez behind Vardy so we havent got two strikers and two wingers but either way, the Derby set-up and performance was solid. Any other conclusion would be biased based upon the negativity that has formed in your head because we had gone from prem champs to a relegation dog fight largely playing shite along the way.

[The Doctor]

20 minutes ago, crazyleicester said:

Are you being serious? I havent seen one game this season where we created more clear chances that the game v Derby. I also cant remember the last time we had two thirds of  possession (and we all know not much of that is the tikka takka balls between defence and midfield) and created 11 corners. Mahrez starting wouldnt have been wise with him coming back from the Afcon and I thought he looked sharp coming off the bench as Derby tired. As for the hoofball, we just havent got the players at the back to do anything but and that includes Kasper. He has no confidence in rolling it out to defenders in space like 90% of GKs today and just hoofs it out himself and sometimes at 100mph where he is aiming for a Vardy who wastes loads more energy for nothing. Finally on this as its just a difference between we see the game obviously, we have a few creative players but they dont seem to be creating. We need more and Id love us to get Sigurdsson to play behind Vardy or even switch Gray to the wing and try Mahrez behind Vardy so we havent got two strikers and two wingers but either way, the Derby set-up and performance was solid. Any other conclusion would be biased based upon the negativity that has formed in your head because we had gone from prem champs to a relegation dog fight largely playing shite along the way.

We had two in the first half (Vardys blocked shot and okazakis drive) and then created loads once Gray came on. Proving my point about a starting line up devoid of creativity.

[crazyleicester]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

We had two in the first half (Vardys blocked shot and okazakis drive) and then created loads once Gray came on. Proving my point about a starting line up devoid of creativity.

It wasnt just down to Gray. The point is we have played all these attacking players together and it hasnt worked. We need to be compact and need DD and Mahrez to get back to passing the bloody ball. As mentioned in prior posts, we need more creativity from the position Okazaki plays in. Ramirez is that type of player and I think we are one signing like him away from being more effective as an attacking unit.

[The Doctor]

21 minutes ago, crazyleicester said:

It wasnt just down to Gray. The point is we have played all these attacking players together and it hasnt worked. We need to be compact and need DD and Mahrez to get back to passing the bloody ball. As mentioned in prior posts, we need more creativity from the position Okazaki plays in. Ramirez is that type of player and I think we are one signing like him away from being more effective as an attacking unit.

But it conincided with getting creative players on. 

[WigstonWanderer]

On 28 January 2017 at 05:53, urban.spaceman said:

Thought Clattenburg had a good game...

What I like about Clattenburg is he doesn't make everything a drama. He tries to retain control of a game by lowering the temperature, not raising it. He often seems to explain his decisions to the players concerned, and I think this all means that they respect him more, again leading to better overall control.

[WigstonWanderer]

On 28 January 2017 at 23:07, foxaholic said:

We were never as bad as all the comments and rating suggest they said on tele an excellent game . Surely for a struggling premier side against a high flying championship side a draw is hardly a disaster

Actually, on reflection I think that's true. Wasn't so bad apart from that 20 minute period at the end of the first half. Certainly a big improvement on Southampton.