David Hankey Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 46 minutes ago, Babylon said: We aren't Spurs, honestly did you start supporting us in 15/16 or something. I'm satisfied being top 10 this season and thrilled to be the best of the rest currently. Without significant investment over a long period of time, anything else is a pipe dream. Just to put you right I have been supporting this Club for over 5 decades and whilst I am deliriously happy at being 7th with a bit more effort we could easily be above Manure and threaten the Gooners for 5th spot. I would suggest this Club has made significant investments since the Club last change hands unfortunately a great deal of it has been misguided with Silva, Musa, Slimani and other signings. We shouldn't sell ourselves short or perhaps it is beacuse you are a Johnny-come-lately. Happy New Year!!
BluethroughtheMiddle Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 Just my 2p.... I genuinely don’t understand a lot of what I read on here, so much angst and vitriol. I’m sure some fans honestly believe we are a top 3 side and it’s only the manager that’s preventing this from happening today, or it’s the clubs fault we don’t have the best players and managers in the world lining up to join us. Just because we won it still doesn’t mean top players and managers want to come here over the established top clubs. That will take time, steady improvements and showing we were not a fluke, we are a serious club who are building our way up. I get the frustration but surely you realise we are not yet massive, we are not a stable top 5 team... yet. It will come, I for one truly believe it.
BluethroughtheMiddle Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 4 minutes ago, David Hankey said: “Snip” with a bit more effort we could easily be above Manure and threaten the Gooners for 5th spot. Do you honesty believe that? Really? With the current team and manager? Easily be above them? I can’t see that to be honest. At all.
Babylon Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 20 minutes ago, David Hankey said: Just to put you right I have been supporting this Club for over 5 decades and whilst I am deliriously happy at being 7th with a bit more effort we could easily be above Manure and threaten the Gooners for 5th spot. I would suggest this Club has made significant investments since the Club last change hands unfortunately a great deal of it has been misguided with Silva, Musa, Slimani and other signings. We shouldn't sell ourselves short or perhaps it is beacuse you are a Johnny-come-lately. Happy New Year!! You should know better then. We've invested nothing close to Spurs or United or Arsenal to realistically challenge any of them consistently. People will say Spurs don't spend, but they've spent nearly a billion in the last decade. And as you say, we've spent heavily on flops.
David Hankey Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 15 minutes ago, BluethroughtheMiddle said: Do you honesty believe that? Really? With the current team and manager? Easily be above them? I can’t see that to be honest. At all. Just look at where we have dropped points so far this season. West Ham, Everton, Burnley Cardiff at home, plus Palace and Fulham away. You do the maths.
David Hankey Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 6 minutes ago, Babylon said: You should know better then. We've invested nothing close to Spurs or United or Arsenal to realistically challenge any of them consistently. People will say Spurs don't spend, but they've spent nearly a billion in the last decade. And as you say, we've spent heavily on flops. I just don't understand this attitude of we should know our place and accept it. How on earth did we win the League? I'd be extremely annoyed if I was a Spud supporter, spending all that cash and still coming 3rd in a 2 horse race!!
blaaklint Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 3 hours ago, David Hankey said: "Decent haul"!! 15 points from a possible 30? We should be aiming at a higher return than that. 1.5 points per game? That’ll get you to 57 points over a 38 game season, or 7th to 9th for the last 6 seasons. Not perfect, but certainly a fairly decent return.
blaaklint Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 6 minutes ago, David Hankey said: I just don't understand this attitude of we should know our place and accept it. How on earth did we win the League? I'd be extremely annoyed if I was a Spud supporter, spending all that cash and still coming 3rd in a 2 horse race!! No one is saying we should accept it. However, the truth of the matter is final league position correlates pretty strongly with money spent, so if we want to become more, we should expect to have to spend it. Being realistic with what we got is not the same as not wanting more.
Mike Oxlong Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 19 minutes ago, David Hankey said: I just don't understand this attitude of we should know our place and accept it. How on earth did we win the League? I'd be extremely annoyed if I was a Spud supporter, spending all that cash and still coming 3rd in a 2 horse race!! Winning the League was down to a wholly unexpected alignment of the stars. So unusual that the bookies would pay out £5000 for just a £1 stake and widely considered to be the most remarkable sporting achievement of modern times. Have you considered, David, that some of Spurs success might be rooted in being patient and giving their manager (who yet has to win anything with them) time to build a squad ? Maybe that is something we could try !
David Hankey Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 52 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said: Winning the League was down to a wholly unexpected alignment of the stars. So unusual that the bookies would pay out £5000 for just a £1 stake and widely considered to be the most remarkable sporting achievement of modern times. Have you considered, David, that some of Spurs success might be rooted in being patient and giving their manager (who yet has to win anything with them) time to build a squad ? Maybe that is something we could try ! I haven't called for a change of manager unlike many on these boards. Our current problems are a result of some poor purchases. We all know who they are and unfortunately being patient with a number of players at the same is a problem. Why professional footballers can't hit the ground running amazes me.
southfox66 Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 The honest truth is there should be at least two more wins from that lot, beating the top sides, doesn't excuse dropping points, you should look at it you get the results you should and beating the top teams is an added bonus. In short if wed lost to Chelsea, Manchester city and Everton this would be a very different discussion
Mike Oxlong Posted 1 January 2019 Posted 1 January 2019 5 minutes ago, David Hankey said: I haven't called for a change of manager unlike many on these boards. Our current problems are a result of some poor purchases. We all know who they are and unfortunately being patient with a number of players at the same is a problem. Why professional footballers can't hit the ground running amazes me. I think our Summer recruitment has been an improvement to that since we won the title so that goes to CP’s credit doesn’t it ? And past poor recruitment hinders his ability to change things as quickly as we might like Re footballers hitting the ground running I’m not too sure what that means. Professional players are up against other professional players. Not all can be successful. Some are just better than others, some on moving adapt to a change of culture, style, work environment and a change of home for themselves and possibly for their family better than others, some respond to a particular style of management better than others and some will adjust to change better than others Recruitment is a difficult science, not just in football. Prospects are sometimes not all they seem on paper or from the stats The general view on here was that Iheanacho was a good signing but he hasn’t impressed most so far I still struggle with the “we should be better than 15 points from the last 10 games” point of view that you expressed earlier Over the season that return puts us 7th -9th - surely reasonable given the past poor purchases, the consequent need for change, the bringing in of younger players whilst competing with big spenders outside of the top 6 such as Everton and West Ham Aspiring to be better isn’t unreasonable but expecting that we ought to be doing a lot better now does appear to me to be unrealistic having regard to all the circumstances
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