The “ I’ve got something to say, but it doesn’t warrant its own thread “ thread.

[davieG]

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

To me its two players running side by side competing for control of the ball which is within reach. I don't see that very often.

 

In association football (soccer), a shoulder charge—often called a "fair charge"—is a legal physical tactic used to compete for the ball or gain space. It is entirely permitted under the official laws of the game, provided it meets specific rules regarding contact, force, and proximity to the ball. [1, 2, 3]

Legal Shoulder Charges

For a shoulder charge to be deemed legal by a referee, it must strictly adhere to the following conditions: [1, 2]

• Shoulder-to-Shoulder Contact: The primary impact must be made shoulder-to-shoulder. Charging an opponent in the back or chest is an automatic foul. [1, 2, 3]
• Ball Proximity: Both players must be actively competing for the ball, and the ball must be within "playing distance" (roughly one stride). [1, 2]
• Tucked Arms: Your arms must be kept tucked tightly against your body (elbows in). You cannot extend your arms, push with your hands, or use your forearms to shove the opponent. [1, 2]
• Footing: Both players must have at least one foot planted on the ground; flying or jumping into a shoulder charge is considered dangerous play and a foul. [1, 2]

When a Shoulder Charge Becomes a Foul

Many players incorrectly assume that any contact involving the shoulder is permitted. Referees will blow the whistle and award a free kick if: [1, 2]

• Excessive Force is Used: Charging a stationary or unaware player at a full sprint is deemed reckless or dangerous.
• Disproportionate Strength: Much larger players must be careful not to use overwhelming momentum against smaller players, which can be called as a foul.
• Arms are Extended: Pushing, extending the elbow, or using a "stiff arm" crosses the line from a legal barge into an illegal push.
• The Ball is Too Far: Initiating contact when the ball is outside playing distance constitutes obstruction or an illegal charge. [1, 2, 3, 5]

[Free Falling Foxes]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

Now that JV has move on, I agree. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

22 hours ago, davieG said:

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

To me its two players running side by side competing for control of the ball which is within reach. I don't see that very often.

 

In association football (soccer), a shoulder charge—often called a "fair charge"—is a legal physical tactic used to compete for the ball or gain space. It is entirely permitted under the official laws of the game, provided it meets specific rules regarding contact, force, and proximity to the ball. [1, 2, 3]

 

Legal Shoulder Charges

For a shoulder charge to be deemed legal by a referee, it must strictly adhere to the following conditions: [1, 2]

• Shoulder-to-Shoulder Contact: The primary impact must be made shoulder-to-shoulder. Charging an opponent in the back or chest is an automatic foul. [1, 2, 3]
• Ball Proximity: Both players must be actively competing for the ball, and the ball must be within "playing distance" (roughly one stride). [1, 2]
• Tucked Arms: Your arms must be kept tucked tightly against your body (elbows in). You cannot extend your arms, push with your hands, or use your forearms to shove the opponent. [1, 2]
• Footing: Both players must have at least one foot planted on the ground; flying or jumping into a shoulder charge is considered dangerous play and a foul. [1, 2]

 

When a Shoulder Charge Becomes a Foul

Many players incorrectly assume that any contact involving the shoulder is permitted. Referees will blow the whistle and award a free kick if: [1, 2]

• Excessive Force is Used: Charging a stationary or unaware player at a full sprint is deemed reckless or dangerous.
• Disproportionate Strength: Much larger players must be careful not to use overwhelming momentum against smaller players, which can be called as a foul.
• Arms are Extended: Pushing, extending the elbow, or using a "stiff arm" crosses the line from a legal barge into an illegal push.
• The Ball is Too Far: Initiating contact when the ball is outside playing distance constitutes obstruction or an illegal charge. [1, 2, 3, 5]

I think it's incorrectly called a shoulder "charge", more of a bump, at least if you want to keep it legal.

 

I would be difficult to get rid of without making football entirely non-contact.

[Free Falling Foxes]

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

I think a lot of people have put flags out recently in spite of any spin. 

 

My own thoughts is it's quite a bit because of simple apathy towards this particular tournament based on how corrupt both FIFA and the hosts have been shown to be. (That might not be much different to the past couple of iterations of the WC, but it's certainly more public this time.)

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

 

40 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I think a lot of people have put flags out recently in spite of any spin. 

 

My own thoughts is it's quite a bit because of simple apathy towards this particular tournament based on how corrupt both FIFA and the hosts have been shown to be. (That might not be much different to the past couple of iterations of the WC, but it's certainly more public this time.)

Suspect the world cup didn't really feel real until recent days and with England not having started yet maybe people aren't yet feeling it. 

 

That said, flag flying doesn't feel like a fun way to support your country right now. It's been hugely politicised by the same people complaining about it's politicisation, as somebody else put far more eloquently than I on another thread recently. 

[The Bear]

My neighbor across the road always has his big St George's flag hanging from the upstairs window and bunting across his house for every major tournament.