Linguistic pedantry

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, Bert Fill said:

Completely disagree with you on this one.

Absolutely, and it's one for a different thread anyway.

[String fellow]

1 hour ago, Bert Fill said:

Completely disagree with you on this one.

It's the thin end of the wedge, which logically will end up with every gender-specific noun and pronoun de-gendered.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/actor

[Guest Bert Fill]

1 hour ago, String fellow said:

It's the thin end of the wedge, which logically will end up with every gender-specific noun and pronoun de-gendered.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/actor

Three points:

1) in the case of unnecessarily gender-specific nouns like actor/actress, waiter/waitress - good. Bring it on.

2) it won’t affect more necessarily gendered nouns like man, woman, etc.

3) This has nothing whatsoever to do with pronouns.

[String fellow]

55 minutes ago, Bert Fill said:

Three points:

1) in the case of unnecessarily gender-specific nouns like actor/actress, waiter/waitress - good. Bring it on.

2) it won’t affect more necessarily gendered nouns like man, woman, etc.

3) This has nothing whatsoever to do with pronouns.

If you require a female to play a certain role in a play or film, 'actress' defines that requirement unambiguously in just one word.

Btw, continue the debate if you like, but don't expect me to bother replying again. You have your opinion and I have mine, and we'll clearly never agree.

[Guest Bert Fill]

6 hours ago, String fellow said:

continue the debate if you like, but don't expect me to bother replying again

Well that’s hardly a sincere invitation to ‘continue the debate’ now is it?

 

However I have as little desire to continue discussing this with you as you with me, so all good.

[RumbleFox]

How dare some people have dyslexia or struggle with grammar and/or spelling?!? X 

[HighPeakFox]

21 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

How dare some people have dyslexia or struggle with grammar and/or spelling?!? X 

You think that's what is being discussed here Rumble? 

[RumbleFox]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

You think that's what is being discussed here Rumble? 

I just find these threads a little superior and condescending that’s all. I know many people who struggle with reading and writing who often feel very bad about it and I think if one of them were to read this thread they might feel quite attacked or useless. I used to be a grammar Nazi at about 14 but grew out of it as all I could see in it was cruelness. 

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I just find these threads a little superior and condescending that’s all. I know many people who struggle with reading and writing who often feel very bad about it and I think if one of them were to read this thread they might feel quite attacked or useless. I used to be a grammar Nazi at about 14 but grew out of it as all I could see in it was cruelness. 

OK, well, you've made your point. I tucked it away here as a means to release a little frustration at people who (on the face of it at least) don't struggle and just appear to be parroting the latest received error. 

 

And to be completely passive aggressive, I used to use horrific soubriquets like 'Grammar Nazi' when I was 14, but grew out of it when.... You know the rest. 

 

If anyone is directly hurt or offended by this, then I trust the Mods to remove the thread. As it is, I don't think that's the case. 

Edited 15 June 2021 by HighPeakFox

[RumbleFox]

6 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

OK, well, you've made your point. I tucked it away here as a means to release a little frustration at people who (on the face of it at least) don't struggle and just appear to be parroting the latest received error. 

 

And to be completely passive aggressive, I used to use horrific soubriquets like 'Grammar Nazi' when I was 14, but grew out of it when.... You know the rest. 

 

If anyone is directly hurt or offended by this, then I trust the Mods to remove the thread. As it is, I don't think that's the case. 

I think you have taken this a little personally? You’re one of the first people here to jump on anyone else if you think they’ve been offensive, etc. I’m sure your intentions are good I’m just stating that the thread to me comes across as a little patronising. It’s not just received errors. People have mentioned the wrong spelling of “our”, etc. I just feel that it’s really difficult for some people, my grandad left school at about 14 and has always struggled with reading and writing and felt very low about it, and I can’t see threads like this helping? I wasn’t attacking you personally but the thread. The two things are separate. 

Edited 15 June 2021 by RumbleFox

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

 You’re one of the first people here to jump on anyone else if you think they’ve been offensive, etc. 

I'm afraid that's just not true, and it's also irrelevant.

 

I've taken your points but stand by mine, and I think we should leave it here. 

Edited 15 June 2021 by HighPeakFox

[RumbleFox]

7 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm afraid that's just not true, and it's also irrelevant.

 

I've taken your points but stand by mine, and I think we should leave it here. 

I’m genuinely surprised how personally you’ve taken this and apologise if I’ve caused any offence. It’s just this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I’d much rather state my feelings than censor or report to mods, I agree with free speech. If my methods were a little emotional then that’s on me but I do feel this comes across as a little shaming to people that struggle even if it isn’t meant to. Anyway thanks for listening and expressing your thoughts. 

[Guest Bert Fill]

20 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I do feel this comes across as a little shaming to people that struggle even if it isn’t meant to

Looking at the beginning of this thread the point was clearly to provide a place where people who have little language-based gripes and annoyances to discuss them. I certainly never took it as anything else, and certainly not as a place to mock/shame genuine errors. I hope nothing I’ve said here could be taken as shaming and apologise unreservedly if it has been.

Of course there are grey areas, and of course it can slide in to - for example - criticising regional speech patterns or dialects as being ‘wrong.’ Which is something I’m personally very passionate about people not doing.

Anyway. For me it’s a place to bemoan those commonplace language uses which in my view lead to a lack of clarity, or to outright misunderstandings, or diminish the power, beauty and poetry of the language.

 

And if I’ve inferred anything else then I’m literally sorry.

[RumbleFox]

5 minutes ago, Bert Fill said:

Looking at the beginning of this thread the point was clearly to provide a place where people who have little language-based gripes and annoyances to discuss them. I certainly never took it as anything else, and certainly not as a place to mock/shame genuine errors. I hope nothing I’ve said here could be taken as shaming and apologise unreservedly if it has been.

Of course there are grey areas, and of course it can slide in to - for example - criticising regional speech patterns or dialects as being ‘wrong.’ Which is something I’m personally very passionate about people not doing.

Anyway. For me it’s a place to bemoan those commonplace language uses which in my view lead to a lack of clarity, or to outright misunderstandings, or diminish the power, beauty and poetry of the language.

 

And if I’ve inferred anything else then I’m literally sorry.

Thank you for your response. I’m sure everyone’s intentions here are good and I am fully aware I may be in the minority but to me somethings these things just come across at best, a little patronising, and at worst, quite shaming. But I may very well be wrong, I often am. 

[AllGoneTitsSchlupp]

people who spell 'lose' as 'loose' argggghhhhhhh

 

makes me loose my shit

 

edit- went back to page 1 and saw that it had already been posted and that i had already liked it. as you were

Edited 15 June 2021 by AllGoneTitsSchlupp

[Guest Bert Fill]

2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Thank you for your response. I’m sure everyone’s intentions here are good and I am fully aware I may be in the minority but to me somethings these things just come across at best, a little patronising, and at worst, quite shaming. But I may very well be wrong, I often am. 

No, you’re probably not. It’s certainly an area which can easily lend itself to becoming patronising and/or shaming. I enjoy discussions about and examples of this kind of stuff, and so I value this thread, but I can probably try harder to make sure I avoid being patronising, and also to distinguish between honest mistakes, instances of regional speech and examples of the type of things I mentioned.

[Guest Bert Fill]

2 minutes ago, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said:

 

people who spell 'lose' as 'loose'

 

You can see how this happens though. It’s a more logical way to spell it given how it’s pronounced!

I blame teachers for stuff like this. Teachers are all useless idiots. Especially primary school teachers. They’re the worst.

[RumbleFox]

11 minutes ago, Bert Fill said:

No, you’re probably not. It’s certainly an area which can easily lend itself to becoming patronising and/or shaming. I enjoy discussions about and examples of this kind of stuff, and so I value this thread, but I can probably try harder to make sure I avoid being patronising, and also to distinguish between honest mistakes, instances of regional speech and examples of the type of things I mentioned.

I think part of my problem is that my degree was in English and I was just surrounded by pompous idiots using 17 letter words when a 4 letter one would do haha. I just hate when language is used as a tool to exclude. But it’s probably my own chip more than anything else. X 

Edited 15 June 2021 by RumbleFox

[davieG]

I suspect that the majority of people who genuinely struggle with grammar and constructing sentences are very unlikely to open this thread as it's either very clear in what it's about or at worse uninviting to those who suffer.

 

From my perspective I think I'm pretty average at grammar so I've actually learnt quite a bit especially with the phrasing of sentences and use of certain words.

 

PS. I'm sure there are some errors in what I've written or should that be wrote 

[HighPeakFox]

I've just realised what I need to win more debates - I simply need to end more sentences thus!

 

Exclamation marks - the punctuation equivalent of saying 'end of'!

 

!

[ozleicester]

edit.

Edited 22 June 2021 by ozleicester

[Jattdogg]

Look at these Bunch Of posh coonts thinking there shit doesnt stink. Ohhh my sentences are so perfect im going to jizz in my pants.  "Im going to linguistically 12 inch these so called experts and show them. They have no idea who i am, i worked in embassies and high commissions i can get your ****in head slapped....."

 

Bunch of bells!  

 

 

All jokes aside, I struggle with sentence structure and grammar. Part of it is because i give 0 fuchs and don't try hard enough to do better. I admit to forgetting where silly things like commas or semi colons go. I know what they are but for some reason just struggle as I type. I sit there at times after writing a sentence and think "should that be a comma before or after that word" .

 

Also, given that I exclusively type on my phone and fat finger the biznitch constantly at times I can't be bothered to fix my typos etc.

 

I might suck at grammar and the use of posh long words but in real work life things are better/more coherent.

 

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

6 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Look at these Bunch Of posh coonts thinking there shit doesnt stink. Ohhh my sentences are so perfect im going to jizz in my pants.  "Im going to linguistically 12 inch these so called experts and show them. They have no idea who i am, i worked in embassies and high commissions i can get your ****in head slapped....."

 

Bunch of bells!  

 

 

All jokes aside, I struggle with sentence structure and grammar. Part of it is because i give 0 fuchs and don't try hard enough to do better. I admit to forgetting where silly things like commas or semi colons go. I know what they are but for some reason just struggle as I type. I sit there at times after writing a sentence and think "should that be a comma before or after that word" .

 

Also, given that I exclusively type on my phone and fat finger the biznitch constantly at times I can't be bothered to fix my typos etc.

 

I might suck at grammar and the use of posh long words but in real work life things are better/more coherent.

 

 

 

I can't work out if you're offended or pretending to be offended 😉

 

I hope it's the latter, I didn't intend the thread to be hurtful. 

[Jattdogg]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I can't work out if you're offended or pretending to be offended 😉

 

I hope it's the latter, I didn't intend the thread to be hurtful. 

I was clearly  just trying to be funny and likely failing. Hehe

 

I enjoy reading this thread though (for a guy who admits he cannot write properly)

 

Ps! My quotes were from a video posted in the funny pictures thread.

Edited 22 June 2021 by Jattdogg

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

I was clearly  just trying to be funny and likely failing. Hehe

 

I enjoy reading this thread though (for a guy who admits he cannot write properly)

 

Ps! My quotes were from a video posted in the funny pictures thread.

Thought so, always best to check. 

 

Interesting quotes! 

Edited 22 June 2021 by HighPeakFox