Racial violence on aussie beach

[Thracian]

It is quite obvious we could have a constructive and interesting debate about immigration.

I certainly welcome your expanded comments and expect we would have to agree to disagree on some of them because right and wrong depends on how you view the economy, whether (whatever the supposed figures), our country and our system is not already saturated with incomers etc etc.

But one thing I will take you up on is the idea that I somehow justify the attacks of Neo-Nazi's.

Over 100 members of my extended family were killed by the Germans in two World Wars - for nothing, and latterly just in the attempt to justify a fanatical madman's lust for power.

I have read the entire detailed history of the Third Reich several times and found both the regime and the pathetic people who followed it/went along with it to be utterly indefensible. It is an irremovable stain that has destroyed respect for German nationhood for all time in my view.

Unprovoked violence is indefensible against anyone at anytime but human kind have satiated their bloodlust for countless millenia, seemingly unable to move their self-serving minds forward from the day they were created.

I have constantly condemned the War in Iraq as probably illegal and certainly totally unjustified (a point which even that infantile President Bush is now admitting) and the sooner both he and Blair have to answer for their actions the better in my view.

The Ruanda attrocities you referred to disgusted me, the slaying by fundamentalists of women and innocent civilians disgusted me, the Nazi's systematic extermination of women and tiny children in the death camps sickened me...how the hell can people BE like that and expect to be called human and to be treated with anything but contempt?

You cannot imagine how I feel to have you associate me with defending anything of that kind. Aggression, by people or nations, is only justified in self defence and, of course, if EVERYONE observed that principle, there would never be any violence.

[leicester1884]

Don't justify this. Its a bunch of neo-nazi racist thugs.

Know that for a fact do we??

Didn't look like your average Neo-Nazi to me.

[Gamesmaster]

What? I wasn't saying the white supremacists were defending themselves, I mean they were the ones carrying out the unprovoked attacks on anyone of Middle Eastern appearance.

I'll just make it clear that i'm not on either ones side here, as a find both of them equally stupid and I find it sad that these actions of a few are tarnishing the name of my country.

what white supremasist were carrying out an attack? so far im aware of white people defending themselves from vicious lebanesian thugs. why dont you describe the vicious lebanesians as black supremasists?

TT, Animals are different species competing against each other. Balck people and white people are both human beings.

very true, but its a medical fact that black people (black/african americans) can be treated for cancer better, compared to white americans, as tested in america recently. there is a difference.

[Strokes]

what white supremasist were carrying out an attack? so far im aware of white people defending themselves from vicious lebanesian thugs. why dont you describe the vicious lebanesians as black supremasists?

TT, Animals are different species competing against each other. Balck people and white people are both human beings.

very true, but its a medical fact that black people (black/african americans) can be treated for cancer better, compared to white americans, as tested in america recently. there is a difference.

Very true but its a fact black africans are more likely to contract hiv than white europeans

[TrickyTrev]

You cannot imagine how I feel to have you associate me with defending anything of that kind. Aggression, by people or nations, is only justified in self defence and, of course, if EVERYONE observed that principle, there would never be any violence.

I didn't mean to offend you. I just thought it bizarre that people had anything other to say than to codemn the people who in the article who were attacking anyone of middle eastern dissent.

Didn't look like your average Neo-Nazi to me.

They are commoting random unprovoked attacks on people of middle eastern dissent. If that isn't white supremacy then I don't know what is.

[TrickyTrev]

very true, but its a medical fact that black people (black/african americans) can be treated for cancer better, compared to white americans, as tested in america recently. there is a difference.

Ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer.

[Strokes]

Ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer.

Poor people are most likely to be bankrupt

[Head Honcho]

Very true but its a fact black africans are more likely to contract hiv than white europeans

I don't think that is down to ignorance not race!

[Strokes]

I don't think that is down to ignorance not race!

Not true! according to medical experts that the plague that spread through europe built some form of ammunity towards hiv making it more difficult for it to be caught

[Gamesmaster]

I accused you of being stupid for trying to justify the actions of the Australian ne-nazi thugs that the thread is about.

White on ethnic minority racism is highlighted more because racism is about power. There is fairly and abhorent Western history of white opression of both asians and blacks. This does not mean that I find racism against whites any less abhorent.

should we accuse you of being stupid, this thread is not about neo nazis, its about racial violence downunder, are you upside down sticky trev

are you suggesting that because the white man was racist in our distant history, that white people should take on the blame now?

[Gamesmaster]

They are commoting random unprovoked attacks on people of middle eastern dissent. If that isn't white supremacy then I don't know what is.

Ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer.

a, have you seen that happen? b, if its true, do you then accept that the lebanesians are black supremisits, because there doing the same thing? i think your missing the point, the aussies were attacked first, what you then describe as white supremacy, is actually the white community defending themselves.

if like you say, ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer, does that mean that there is a genetic difference between humanity of race?

[leicester1884]

They are commoting random unprovoked attacks on people of middle eastern dissent. If that isn't white supremacy then I don't know what is.

Still does not make them Neo-Nazi thugs.

What about the many random unprovoked attacks on Australian people by people of middle eastern dissent.

Is this not what started all the trouble in the first place??

[Alexikokopops]

I was in Sydney about 2 days before this happened.

Nightmare.

[Thracian]

a, have you seen that happen? b, if its true, do you then accept that the lebanesians are black supremisits, because there doing the same thing? i think your missing the point, the aussies were attacked first, what you then describe as white supremacy, is actually the white community defending themselves.

if like you say, ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer, does that mean that there is a genetic difference between humanity of race?

It will be interesting to hear the reply to your first paragraph. In my experience, the anti-racist activists are very slow to condemn anything but white on black racism. Some don't even acknowledge that black on white racism exists when, in fact, it is rife in some places.

[Dr The Singh]

It seems as though, through a minority of people (whites or lebenese) that this has escalated to mass lack of common sense and senseless behaviour. It's really sad to see 2 sets of people be so generalised by the rest of the world, whatever the truth it should never have come to the extent of violence, the authorities and community leaders should have acted alot quicker!!

Just to add on the point of racism, there are racist among all races, in this country there are racist white people and black etc, because white people are a majority it is seen as white people being the approssers to the minority, which is wrong!!

[TrickyTrev]

a, have you seen that happen? b, if its true, do you then accept that the lebanesians are black supremisits, because there doing the same thing? i think your missing the point, the aussies were attacked first, what you then describe as white supremacy, is actually the white community defending themselves.

if like you say, ginger people are more likely to get skin cancer, does that mean that there is a genetic difference between humanity of race?

Read the articles. A white person was attacked by a Lebonese gang. As a result groups of white people went out and commited random acts of violence against ANYONE of Middle Eastern dissent. It has nothing to do with self defence and everything to do with racial hatred.

As for the Lebonese gang you won't find me defending them.

As for my comment about ginger people, I was just highlighting that all human ahev genetic differences. It does not stop them being the same species. This is such an obvious point that I don't know why it has to be justified.

[Gamesmaster]

It will be interesting to hear the reply to your first paragraph. In my experience, the anti-racist activists are very slow to condemn anything but white on black racism. Some don't even acknowledge that black on white racism exists when, in fact, it is rife in some places.

the more and more i go about my life the more and more that seems to be the truth, and it seems to have been going on for years without anyone telling us

[Gamesmaster]

Read the articles. A white person was attacked by a Lebonese gang. As a result groups of white people went out and commited random acts of violence against ANYONE of Middle Eastern dissent. It has nothing to do with self defence and everything to do with racial hatred.

As for the Lebonese gang you won't find me defending them.

As for my comment about ginger people, I was just highlighting that all human ahev genetic differences. It does not stop them being the same species. This is such an obvious point that I don't know why it has to be justified.

but you didnt answer the question tt, have you seen that happen? did you see white people committing radom acts of violence, or did you see them defending themselves?

are the lebanese in aussie land black supremacists?

there is a human specie, but there is a racial (jean if you like) difference between them mate.

[Steven]

I imagine everyone feels rather right-wing in reaction to that story

Not if they want it to stop it happening again.

[TrickyTrev]

but you didnt answer the question tt, have you seen that happen? did you see white people committing radom acts of violence, or did you see them defending themselves?

are the lebanese in aussie land black supremacists?

there is a human specie, but there is a racial (jean if you like) difference between them mate.

And my point is that everyone has different genes or we would be identical.

but you didnt answer the question tt, have you seen that happen? did you see white people committing radom acts of violence, or did you see them defending themselves?

I am only commenting on the articles I have read. It reports that white mobs have been commiting random acts of violence against "anyone of middle eastern descent". It mentions nothing about self defence.

are the lebanese in aussie land black supremacists?

I have absaloutely no idea as there is very little information as to why the attack on an individual ,that has sparked of numerous agaist groups of randomers, was commited. If it was a racial attack than that is just as despeciable as the way the white people reacted.

Whatever the reason for the attack that is no justification for the random racial attacks againat anyone of middle eastern dissent that has been reported.

Why are you and Tharacian reacting with such cynacism to this story. I am merely commenting that the racial attacks that have been reported in this article, and others commentign on the same story, are horrorific.

[Gamesmaster]

I am only commenting on the articles I have read. It reports that white mobs have been commiting random acts of violence against "anyone of middle eastern descent". It mentions nothing about self defence.

I have absaloutely no idea as there is very little information as to why the attack on an individual ,that has sparked of numerous agaist groups of randomers, was commited. If it was a racial attack than that is just as despeciable as the way the white people reacted.

Whatever the reason for the attack that is no justification for the random racial attacks againat anyone of middle eastern dissent that has been reported.

Why are you and Tharacian reacting with such cynacism to this story. I am merely commenting that the racial attacks that have been reported in this article, and others commentign on the same story, are horrorific.

do you believe the media reports?

you accussed the white aussies of being white supremicists, but not the black ones. is that fiar? there is no doubt this is horrible, but you are accussing only one half of the problem.

[TrickyTrev]

do you believe the media reports?

Yes. These crimes have not exactly been conducted in secret. <_<

you accussed the white aussies of being white supremicists, but not the black ones. is that fiar? there is no doubt this is horrible, but you are accussing only one half of the problem.

I reallly shouldn't have to go through this AGAIN, but you obviously have not read hwat I have written before.

We do not know anything about the single, individual and isolated attack on a white individual by a Lebonese gang. We have no idea whther it was racially motivated. Either way it is pretty deplorable. However the reaction of parts of the white community HAS been to attack ANYONE of middle Eastern dissent. That is undeniably vicious racist thuggery which has nothign to do with self defence.

Get your head around it and stop looking for excuses for peoples behaviour. It is the actions of a deplorable individuals who are motivated by hate.

[Gamesmaster]

Yes. These crimes have not exactly been conducted in secret. <_<

I reallly shouldn't have to go through this AGAIN, but you obviously have not read hwat I have written before.

We do not know anything about the single, individual and isolated attack on a white individual by a Lebonese gang. We have no idea whther it was racially motivated. Either way it is pretty deplorable. However the reaction of parts of the white community HAS been to attack ANYONE of middle Eastern dissent. That is undeniably vicious racist thuggery which has nothign to do with self defence.

Get your head around it and stop looking for excuses for peoples behaviour. It is the actions of a deplorable individuals who are motivated by hate.

your a bit weird. you cant prove the aussie are white supremicists, but you believe the media when they describe them as such.

your dilusional. have you got proof that the white aussies were attacking any lebanisian purley on the basis of skin colour, no, so why say it

if someone of a different colour to you, attacked your community, you wouldnt defend it because you wanted to be racist.

on what you say, its clear you have an agenda. are you white?

[TrickyTrev]

your a bit weird. you cant prove the aussie are white supremicists, but you believe the media when they describe them as such.

your dilusional. have you got proof that the white aussies were attacking any lebanisian purley on the basis of skin colour, no, so why say it

if someone of a different colour to you, attacked your community, you wouldnt defend it because you wanted to be racist.

on what you say, its clear you have an agenda. are you white?

Yes I am.

I choose to believe it because they were public riots. Read the **** articles. If a member of my community was attacked it would not be my reaction to commit acts of violence against "anyone of middle Eastern dissent." Thats just mental, inexcusible racism. Thats why I labelled them White supremecists. As stated several times. <_<

You are the one chosing to ignore the evidenc ein the areticles and are assuming that it is all just self defence and a lot mroe innocent than ANYBODY ir reporting.

[Gamesmaster]

Yes I am.

I choose to believe it because they were public riots. Read the **** articles. If a member of my community was attacked it would not be my reaction to commit acts of violence against "anyone of middle Eastern dissent." Thats just mental, inexcusible racism. Thats why I labelled them White supremecists. As stated several times. <_<

You are the one chosing to ignore the evidenc ein the areticles and are assuming that it is all just self defence and a lot mroe innocent than ANYBODY ir reporting.

there you go again"anyone of middle Eastern dissent." you dont know thats the case, you only heard it from the media you labled them white supremicists on media say so, which is hearsay. if you were attacked by a lebanesian, and you attacked someone of lebanesian decent because you thought they were responsible, its not white supremacy if a woman attacked you, and you attacked a woman that you thought attacked you, does it make you sexist? think about it dude.

it looks to me like a community protecting themselves. there could well be racism involved, but to pigeon hole the entire aussie community that way is wrong. think about it this way, after those attacks, the lebanesians "defended" themselves beating up white people, were they just being racist, or were they defending themselves?