Premier League 2024/25

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, Lineker's Left Foot said:

Brighton always mess up against our relegation rivals; always seem to lose to Everton

id absolutely love Forest to be our relegation rivals but I don't think they're going down this season 

[Bilo]

Teams you are not allowed to criticise on FoxesTalk.

 

Nottingham Forest 

Brighton & Hove Albion.

 

😂

[Blue-fox]

2 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Interestingly he's only scored more than 1 in a single game this season.

 

Can't remember who it was against though.

Was it some team sounding like Chester?

[Wink84]

22 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Brighton are absolutely all over the place, like awful!

 

Fair play to Forest exploiting it though, we wouldn't have made it in their half yet.

 

Frustrating to see them keep winning, but at this stage in the season, teams are where they deserve to be - fair enough.

Hate to say it, but fair play to them. It's good for the Premier League to see others outside the top 6 doing well.

[Wink84]

20 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

Didn’t Brighton spend nearly 200m last summer? They’ve been pretty underwhelming this season 

Which will make them about a billion in a few years most likely. 

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Good to see flavour of the month Brighton on the decline, tippy tappy rubbish. Forest play like us in title season, why oh why did we think changing style was a good idea? It got Claudio the sack too!

so, how exactly do you counter attack against teams that respect/fear you and sit back? to counter attack your opponents have to attack first, clues in the name.

[Muzzy_no7]

Brighton have had a really really poor season considering the vast strength in depth they have. 

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Abssolutely nothing to suggest thats the case though. We were screwed a few years before we went down. Key players made things look better than they were.

 

Brighton are operating as they always have because the club has a model. Our club leadership never had a model, the model belonged to the current employees. Pearson and Puel had good ones. The others didn't.

All it takes is a dodgy managerial appointment, bad luck with injuries or a few dodgy signings. You can go from a genius model to looking very silly very quickly. What people were saying about us five years ago is what people are saying about Brighton now.

[Jattdogg]

Forest is out 3rd last game of the season. Depending on how things go down in the next month or so, they could be the ones to put the final nail in our coffin and qualify for europe at the same time lol. Grim.

Edited 1 February by Jattdogg

[Stevosevic]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Brighton have had a really really poor season considering the vast strength in depth they have. 

Two very mid table seasons on the bounce.

 

No longer flavour of the month 

[The Doctor]

Just now, Bilo said:

All it takes is a dodgy managerial appointment, bad luck with injuries or a few dodgy signings. You can go from a genius model to looking very silly very quickly. What people were saying about us five years ago is what people are saying about Brighton now.

but the point is ultimately that Brighton have a competent structure above the manager, we don't. Doing a Leicester is having your entire strategy changing from manager to manager because a jumped up youth team coach is in charge of footballing affairs. Brighton will likely sit around mid table for a good long while, same as Brentford, because both have a strong set up and a clear plan as a club, rather than tearing everything up every time they change manager.

[ceebeefox]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

so, how exactly do you counter attack against teams that respect/fear you and sit back? to counter attack your opponents have to attack first, clues in the name.

You play stalemate and bore us to death! A point is always a good result in this league. We need to do that at the City ground because if we try and pass out they’ll murder us.

[Wink84]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Brighton have had a really really poor season considering the vast strength in depth they have. 

It's all about buying talent, improve them and sell them. They will probably never really push for champions league or titles. That was our problem, we went for it, got it horribly wrong and paid the price.

[The Doctor]

Just now, ceebeefox said:

You play stalemate and bore us to death! A point is always a good result in this league. We need to do that at the City ground because if we try and pass out they’ll murder us.

ok, so you think then that after the title win we should have just decided that 38 points was fine, and we shouldn't try to evolve our style to attempt to beat teams that feared us?

[Wink84]

4 minutes ago, Bilo said:

All it takes is a dodgy managerial appointment, bad luck with injuries or a few dodgy signings. You can go from a genius model to looking very silly very quickly. What people were saying about us five years ago is what people are saying about Brighton now.

That's true. But we strayed away from our model and went for it. I think under their owner they're happy to be this well run club that buys, improves players and sell seems high. It can go wrong though like Southampton a while ago.

[JimJams]

If it never wins you anything, who gives a shit?

[Bilo]

Just now, The Doctor said:

but the point is ultimately that Brighton have a competent structure above the manager, we don't. Doing a Leicester is having your entire strategy changing from manager to manager because a jumped up youth team coach is in charge of footballing affairs. Brighton will likely sit around mid table for a good long while, same as Brentford, because both have a strong set up and a clear plan as a club, rather than tearing everything up every time they change manager.

We look incompetent because the model failed and we lost key staff.

 

Buy up-and-coming players from abroad or the Championship for modest fees, play exciting football, sell a player who's developed under the model for a handsome profit and then repeat the process. It worked for a good couple of years under Puel and Rodgers, and then we had that disastrous summer 2021 window where we didn't sell anyone and bought poorly, completely destroying the model.

 

We looked a paragon of competence before that, and the exact opposite after it. One bad transfer window. 

 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Except Tony Bloom isn't throwing out the model they work from is he

Their model is great if you want mid-table stability. But they are not threatening to actually win anything, or pushing to unsettle the top 4, like we did. If that's what you want, then great. But I'd much rather gamble and fail like we did, than just be perpetual also-rans. In the years to come we'll still have something tangible to remember. They won't.

[Tommy Fresh]

Swear people say this about Brighton anytime they have a bad result, they just seem like an extremely streaky side. Imagine comparing Top and Tony Bloom 

[Tommy Fresh]

Just now, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Their model is great if you want mid-table stability. But they are not threatening to actually win anything, or pushing to unsettle the top 4, like we did. If that's what you want, then great. But I'd much rather gamble and fail like we did, than just be perpetual also-rans. In the years to come we'll still have something tangible to remember. They won't.

So they won't fall away then which is what I replied to

[Bilo]

5 minutes ago, Wink84 said:

That's true. But we strayed away from our model and went for it. I think under their owner they're happy to be this well run club that buys, improves players and sell seems high. It can go wrong though like Southampton a while ago.

And there's another example.

 

Southampton were the model until they ran out of good players to sell and couldn't replace them. Then it was Swansea. Then it was us, albeit it to a much more dramatic extent. Next it'll be Brighton, Forest or Brentford. Blasphemous as it is on this forum to suggest that Forest won't, in fact, dominate English football for the next thousand years.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Just now, Tommy Fresh said:

So they won't fall away then which is what I replied to

There's nothing to fall away from.

[The Doctor]

Just now, Bilo said:

We look incompetent because the model failed and we lost key staff.

 

Buy up-and-coming players from abroad or the Championship for modest fees, play exciting football, sell a player who's developed under the model for a handsome profit and then repeat the process. It worked for a good couple of years under Puel and Rodgers, and then we had that disastrous summer 2021 window where we didn't sell anyone and bought poorly, completely destroying the model.

 

We looked a paragon of competence before that, and the exact opposite after it. One bad transfer window. 

 

the model is set by the manager is the issue, hence why we grew under Pearson, briefly peaked under Claudio then started to decline until Puel came in, rebuilt. Rodgers then peaked again off the back of puels work before declining again. Our transfer strategy is entirely defined by the manager and there's not philosophical coherence between managerial appointments. Brighton and Brentford have models set by chairmen who aren't incompetent nepo babies, carried out by people who are actually qualified to do it. case in point, they wouldn't go from an Enzo type manager to Steve Cooper because they actually have a model that coaches are slotted in to rather than defined by the coaches.

[Bilo]

Just now, The Doctor said:

the model is set by the manager is the issue, hence why we grew under Pearson, briefly peaked under Claudio then started to decline until Puel came in, rebuilt. Rodgers then peaked again off the back of puels work before declining again. Our transfer strategy is entirely defined by the manager and there's not philosophical coherence between managerial appointments. Brighton and Brentford have models set by chairmen who aren't incompetent nepo babies, carried out by people who are actually qualified to do it. case in point, they wouldn't go from an Enzo type manager to Steve Cooper because they actually have a model that coaches are slotted in to rather than defined by the coaches.

There's something in that, but it's difficult to argue that it didn't work under Rodgers for the first two years. The failure to adequately replace scouts was a huge blow. 

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

There's nothing to fall away from.

Well there is isn't there, there's getting relegated and being slapped with breaching financial rules