Are the players acting entitled

[whoareyaaa]

Down to the manager enzo managed to get a tune out of them last season

[Foxin_Mad]

45 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Spot on

They are trying ,they are just not good enough.

This was never a Managerial  issue,!

The Manager we had was still crap. A decent manager can get a bunch of players to have some coherent tactics, an identity, and at the very least some fight. The coaching from Cooper and Co is simply not good enough. These players obviously need some structure,  some guidance none of which Cooper was given. He was an utterly garbage manager. 

[RYM]

I think the team that went down before were entitled. Too good to go down mentality.

 

This bunch are complete misfits who have lost their way completely under Steve and the mess he engineered. 
 

I just hope Ruud is more than a novelty act and can fix us. 

[J. James]

19 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Bloody hell pal,  Cooper was a disaster, we should have been pummelled in every game under him but for exceptional goalkeeping, poor finishing and massive lashings of luck we could and should have conceded 3/4/5 in most games. 
 

What the first 16 competitive games have shown me is that the need for a manager to have a defined tactical plan, expect the highest standards and be prepared to explore every minute detail to get us organised is absolutely critical, you cannot wing it at this level. 
 

I honestly believe whilst Ruud has a massive challenge at hand I think we will see a marked improvement. 

Yep, could, should and l believe.. Inconveniently the facts are he got enough results with extremely limited players to keep us out of the relegation zone.

 

I hope you're as ready with could, should and l believe if and when  RvN takes us into it.

 

But long before that l expect our classless clueless players to yet again think they know better.

[The whole world smiles]

This is slightly off topic and I know this kind of information is not the most reliable but I was amazed to hear in the summer that Adam Peaty was worth only 2 million quid. He is (or was) the absolute best in the world in a prestigious and historic Olympic event and has kept himself at the top of his sport for nearly a decade.

 

Meanwhile someone like Rachid Ghezzal who was by most accounts shite and would have barely been in the top 20,000 footballers in the world when he played is according to Google worth 16 million quid. That should tell you everything you need to know about entitled players.

[Foxin_Mad]

24 minutes ago, J. James said:

Also spot on, and as and when RvN also fails to construct a silk purse from our pigs ears, l guarantee he will not be singled out and victimised by the armchair experts on here, it will be down to the players this time - it's already begun in fact with Thomas (who was far from our worst player).

 

Why wont the brainless mob turn on RvN?

 

Number one he's attractive and cool.

Two, he has no Forest connection.

Three, its so much easier to pick on a player or two this time.

 

All of this while conveniently forgetting that Cooper actually got more out of this talentless bunch than his replacement.

 

Plymouth, Coventry and Leicester owners all foolishly employing former stars, two of whom have demonstrated their total lack of talent for management.

 

My guess is RvN will soon wish he hadn't agreed to try to save this disastrous club.

What a load of utter shite. 

 

What did Cooper get out of them exactly?

 

The team had no tactics, no direction, no cohehesion, no identity, no guidance. It very much seemed to me Cooper picked 11 players, not always the best ones and put them on the pitch, more or less telling them not to lose. We got lucky in a few games but it was nothing to do with the absolute clown that was Cooper. The tactics were non existent, what was the style? I couldn't even say they fought hard. We were clearly getting worse week on week the more his rot set in. 

 

This group of players maybe need to be 'coached' more, given an identity and style.

 

I couldn't care less that Cooper was ex Forest, I cared that he set us up to play the most bland non-descript football I have ever seen, it was pure garbage. I don't mind losing, I don't mind genuinely being not good enough, all I want is to see us attempt to win a Football match, that's it, not much to ask IMO. 

 

Cooper was none of that, that's pure unadulterated fact. He didn't inspire fans, it's not hard to see why he couldn't inspire players.

 

I knew he was a terrible appointment, I hoped I was wrong but he was utterly attrocious. I hated his abomination of Football at Forest, they only stayed up because we absolutely tucked up under Rodgers. 

[J. James]

11 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Down to the manager enzo managed to get a tune out of them last season

Its true, he did.. In the championship which is an achievement because at least half of them dont look good enough for that!

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, J. James said:

Yep, could, should and l believe.. Inconveniently the facts are he got enough results with extremely limited players to keep us out of the relegation zone.

 

I hope you're as ready with could, should and l believe if and when  RvN takes us into it.

 

But long before that l expect our classless clueless players to yet again think they know better.

Facts are...

 

Lucky against Bournemouth who had a bad day and absolutely were all over us. Crap performance.

 

Southampton, Fatawu who Cooper the absolute bellend decided not to pick, instead picking carthorses like De corda reid saved the game for him along with a red card and some poor referreeing.

 

Atrocious against Forest and Ipswich, got what we deserved elsewhere.

 

If Cooper had such limited players it's funny really that he still conspired to pick the ones in the squad that were even more limited. Him and his coaching staff are absolute league 1 standard at best. 

 

 

 

 

[Izzy]

6 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

This is slightly off topic and I know this kind of information is not the most reliable but I was amazed to hear in the summer that Adam Peaty was worth only 2 million quid. He is (or was) the absolute best in the world in a prestigious and historic Olympic event and has kept himself at the top of his sport for nearly a decade.

 

Meanwhile someone like Rachid Ghezzal who was by most accounts shite and would have barely been in the top 20,000 footballers in the world when he played is according to Google worth 16 million quid. That should tell you everything you need to know about entitled players.

Footballers have been vastly overpaid for about the last 20 years.

 

In some ways it's not their fault that they're spoilt/entitled.

 

It's idiots like us for paying Sky/BT vast sums every month plus ridiculous prices for match tickets and replica shirts etc.

[Poznan34]

The players should face up when they've played crap (today) - maybe six players came over at the end, only a couple getting particularly close to the away end. They have it right in Europe where the players get a dressing down from the ultras in times like this. 

[J. James]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

What a load of utter shite. 

 

What did Cooper get out of them exactly?

 

The team had no tactics, no direction, no cohehesion, no identity, no guidance. It very much seemed to me Cooper picked 11 players, not always the best ones and put them on the pitch, more or less telling them not to lose. We got lucky in a few games but it was nothing to do with the absolute clown that was Cooper. The tactics were non existent, what was the style? I couldn't even say they fought hard. We were clearly getting worse week on week the more his rot set in. 

 

This group of players maybe need to be 'coached' more, given an identity and style.

 

I couldn't care less that Cooper was ex Forest, I cared that he set us up to play the most bland non-descript football I have ever seen, it was pure garbage. I don't mind losing, I don't mind genuinely being not good enough, all I want is to see us attempt to win a Football match, that's it, not much to ask IMO. 

 

Cooper was none of that, that's pure unadulterated fact. He didn't inspire fans, it's not hard to see why he couldn't inspire players.

 

I knew he was a terrible appointment, I hoped I was wrong but he was utterly attrocious. I hated his abomination of Football at Forest, they only stayed up because we absolutely tucked up under Rodgers. 

Nonsense from beginning to end.

 

I didnt want Cooper but he was fulfilling his single objective to keep us out of the relegation zone.

 

His remit was NOT play attractive football

It was NOT pick the players the fans want.

It was NOT keep the players happy.

 

It was to do what he was doing but our owner wanted a celebrity manager and he got him.

 

You like a great many on here ( but a tiny minority of supporters) hated him from the get go and positively wanted him to fail.

 

But the FACT is he didn't, and if we go down under RvN or his successor it will again be down to the owners, Top in particular and NOT Cooper.

 

And the fact is Forest finished 16th, not 17th so even if we didn't tuck up under the fraud he would still have kept them up.

 

But then that doesn't fit your bias does it.

[J. James]

12 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Facts are...

 

Lucky against Bournemouth who had a bad day and absolutely were all over us. Crap performance.

 

Southampton, Fatawu who Cooper the absolute bellend decided not to pick, instead picking carthorses like De corda reid saved the game for him along with a red card and some poor referreeing.

 

Atrocious against Forest and Ipswich, got what we deserved elsewhere.

 

If Cooper had such limited players it's funny really that he still conspired to pick the ones in the squad that were even more limited. Him and his coaching staff are absolute league 1 standard at best. 

 

 

 

 

Hahaha.. Do you actually know the difference between facts and opinions? Because none of this is fact, its ALL opinion! 🤣🤣

[inckley fox]

32 minutes ago, RYM said:

I think the team that went down before were entitled. Too good to go down mentality.

 

This bunch are complete misfits who have lost their way completely under Steve and the mess he engineered. 
 

I just hope Ruud is more than a novelty act and can fix us. 

There's quite a bit of overlap.

[Foxin_Mad]

6 minutes ago, J. James said:

Hahaha.. Do you actually know the difference between facts and opinions? Because none of this is fact, its ALL opinion! 🤣🤣

So you think the Bournemouth performance and Southampton performance was dominant quality? OK then I bow to your superior knowledge.

[CrazyKopCorner]

They're totally spoilt. 

 

Reminds me of Ali saying you don't win World Championships wearing silk pyjamas. 

 

There's very little real desire in this team. 

[Foxin_Mad]

17 minutes ago, J. James said:

Nonsense from beginning to end.

 

I didnt want Cooper but he was fulfilling his single objective to keep us out of the relegation zone.

 

His remit was NOT play attractive football

It was NOT pick the players the fans want.

It was NOT keep the players happy.

 

It was to do what he was doing but our owner wanted a celebrity manager and he got him.

 

You like a great many on here ( but a tiny minority of supporters) hated him from the get go and positively wanted him to fail.

 

But the FACT is he didn't, and if we go down under RvN or his successor it will again be down to the owners, Top in particular and NOT Cooper.

 

And the fact is Forest finished 16th, not 17th so even if we didn't tuck up under the fraud he would still have kept them up.

 

But then that doesn't fit your bias does it.

No real bias, just saying what I saw Cooper offered nothing. But you are entitled to have your unbridled admiration for him.

 

The season Forest stayed up it was quite a low points season, also some weird results like Brighton losing to both Forest and Everton at home, and Arsenal bottling it against Forest. Saints, Leeds, Everton and Leicester conspired to be utterly shit and allow all the Championship dross to stay up for probably the final time ever due to FFP. Normally they are in the trap. It was very little to do with Cooper more they signed 800 players and a few of them were decent enough to counterbalance his absolute directionless shit tactics.

Edited 30 November 2024 by Foxin_Mad

[inckley fox]

27 minutes ago, J. James said:

Yep, could, should and l believe.. Inconveniently the facts are he got enough results with extremely limited players to keep us out of the relegation zone.

 

I hope you're as ready with could, should and l believe if and when  RvN takes us into it.

 

But long before that l expect our classless clueless players to yet again think they know better.

There's no way around it. If we go down now, and especially with 18-24 points, then people will very reasonably ask questions of the fans who pushed from day one for Cooper to go, the players who followed suit, and the board who took heed. Hopefully we don't get to that point. And Ruud will have done very well if things work out.

 

Cooper lost his grip on things. But the poor quality of the squad, and recruitment over years, is the main issue. The coach might have needed to go, but I never got near the sense that we had a fine squad of players who could have wowed the PL if it weren't for the boss. 

 

Vichai consulting Vardy, Morgan, Fuchs, Kaspar and suchlike is a world away from Top being swayed by Faes, Vestergard and Winks. It's a poor squad that needs to humbly accept the task ahead.

[Trent Steel]

Yes and they are shit footballers..

[Foxin_Mad]

I don't totally buy this poor squad thing.

 

Mads is international, Kristensen international, Faes international, Ndidi International, Vestergaurd international

 

It shouldn't be impossible to get them to play as a coherent unit that is at least difficult to beat. 

 

Maybe their mentality and attitude is poor and that is exactly where you need a strong manager to create identity and structure. 

[Haywood_6]

They aren't entitled they are just not good enough 

[Gubbins]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I don't totally buy this poor squad thing.

 

Mads is international, Kristensen international, Faes international, Ndidi International, Vestergaurd international

 

It shouldn't be impossible to get them to play as a coherent unit that is at least difficult to beat. 

 

Maybe their mentality and attitude is poor and that is exactly where you need a strong manager to create identity and structure. 

Being an international is hardly a sign of quality nowadays.  Ward must have two dozen plus caps for God's sake. Playing Luxembourg and Andorra is probably some of those players level tbh.

[Lcfc1994_2]

1 hour ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Moving to seagrave was a disaster … Albrighton has confirmed as much. 

With hindsight, moving to seagrave was a bad idea. We invested this extra money into the training ground, but, we could have put that extra money into the first team, when we needed it to get champions league a few years ago.

 

That extra money could have been the difference between where we are now and champions league football. 

 

It felt like moving there disrupted the momentum with what we were trying to achieve at the time.

Edited 30 November 2024 by Lcfc1994_2

[Pita]

We have so many championships players just not premiership standard. 

[Nolucklcfc]

27 minutes ago, Lcfc1994_2 said:

With hindsight, moving to seagrave was a bad idea. We invested this extra money into the training ground, but, we could have put that extra money into the first team, when we needed it to get champions league a few years ago.

 

That extra money could have been the difference between where we are now and champions league football. 

 

It felt like moving there disrupted the momentum with what we were trying to achieve at the time.

The idea behind seagrave was fine but ultimately it was the wrong decision yet again. I don’t go after them so much for seagrave because I can understand wanting to build the club off the pitch too. The problem is it’s too big and the players have everything done for them. Why the women train separately is pointless too. Easily enough pitches and space to have them there. 

[SK3Blue]

Gets worse every season, everything on a plate and more handed to them. 
Most of them not the sharpest tools in the box, and paid silly money, comes from the (Khun) top down.

Edited 30 November 2024 by SK3Blue