1969 Moon Landing

[BoneDog]

El Empty, what's the reason for Russia keeping silent on the conspiracy, when revealing it could have changed the shape of the Cold War?

I and many others don't believe they were really at war. It was show. A few 'events' may have occurred but those at the top all did ok out of it. It helped governments to build more big weapons of mass destruction in the name of defense. Civilians and soldiers in parts of the world suffered because of the cold war, but not anybody in real power.

There are many dirty secrets that governments have on eachother, doesn't mean that we will ever hear about them.

One of the reasons they kept quiet could be that they are part of the quest to militarize 'space'. And when I say militarize space I don't mean to protect us from outside forces, but to help gain control over populations. Who knows why they kept quiet, but they did.

Ok then, so why can't they do it?

Because it's technologically and humanly impossible.

I'm guessing for the same reason we can't produce the paints used back in the 1600's. Health and Safety - back in the late 60's, early 70's we had nowhere near as much knowledge of the dangers of space (for instance the radiation) - hence we need new shit now, rather than the old shit we used.

Ah, so it's because NASA and the astronauts have turned into pussies. They were real men in the 60's and 70's and did it a piece of piss, but now they're scaredy cats. That's exactly what the Wag the Moondoggie series says (sarcastically). The Americans hadn't even mastered low earth orbit in the 60's but they just said 'f*&k it' and flew to the moon. And back.

Apparantly the old shit worked perfectly well. I don't see what the problem is in using that again if they can't come up with anything better. I'm sure there would be no shortage of brave volunteers to go on the ships no matter what excuses the believers come up with as to why it's too dangerous.

Please enlighten us then as to what these reasons are.

Here's a few quotes from the link below on finding water on the moon.

"It is a big 'wow,'" said Jack Burns of the Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and director of the Lunar University Network for Astrophysics Research.

"In terms of the clearly most practical destination for the next two to three decades for human exploration it has to be the moon, ........There's so much more to discover about the moon just from a scientific perspective, what it can tell us about the formation of the Earth." Burns told SPACE.com.

Here's one from the same article regarding spacesuits that would protect a human stepping out onto the moon.

Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist for Exploration Systems at NASA Headquarters.

"The devil is in the details," Wargo said, adding, "None of our spacesuits that we currently have would be appropriate for that extreme an environment."

Any materials built for Earth-like temperatures won't work on the moon. "They don't bend anymore, they fracture, and they fracture brittle-y, and so everything gets extremely brittle at those temperatures," Wargo said.

http://www.space.com...onize-moon.html

[purpleronnie]

I'm seriously concerned for el empty's mental health.

[fleckneymike]

This gets better. The ENTIRE cold war was a hoax so they could build bigger and better weapons. Who, pray tell, were we building these weapons to defend ourselves against if the only two superpowers in world were in cahoots with each other?

Even you can't seriously believe some of the stuff you're writing.

[marko]

Here's a few quotes from the link below on finding water on the moon.

"It is a big 'wow,'" said Jack Burns of the Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and director of the Lunar University Network for Astrophysics Research.

"In terms of the clearly most practical destination for the next two to three decades for human exploration it has to be the moon, ........There's so much more to discover about the moon just from a scientific perspective, what it can tell us about the formation of the Earth." Burns told SPACE.com.

Here's one from the same article regarding spacesuits that would protect a human stepping out onto the moon.

Michael Wargo, chief lunar scientist for Exploration Systems at NASA Headquarters.

"The devil is in the details," Wargo said, adding, "None of our spacesuits that we currently have would be appropriate for that extreme an environment."

Any materials built for Earth-like temperatures won't work on the moon. "They don't bend anymore, they fracture, and they fracture brittle-y, and so everything gets extremely brittle at those temperatures," Wargo said.

http://www.space.com...onize-moon.html

Hang on, you said NASA stated there are very important for going back, yet you fail to quote anyone from NASA about returning to the moon, but instead quote one academic. It's hardly a strong argument you're putting forward.

With your argument about never getting past the Van Allen belts, please educate me on how Apollo 13 managed to pass through twice? Or was that all a hoax as well?

[fleckneymike]

Hang on, you said NASA stated there are very important for going back, yet you fail to quote anyone from NASA about returning to the moon, but instead quote one academic. It's hardly a strong argument you're putting forward.

With your argument about never getting past the Van Allen belts, please educate me on how Apollo 13 managed to pass through twice? Or was that all a hoax as well?

I'm still waiting for some science to explain why we couldn't possibly travel through the Van Allen belts.

[marko]

I'm still waiting for some science to explain why we couldn't possibly travel through the Van Allen belts.

Because, Mike, just because, all right!!!

El Emptyhead never fails to amaze me with some of his "theories", they're hilarious!!!

[fleckneymike]

The cold war one is the best. The complete lack of logic behind it is genius. Faking the whole thing so we could build weapons to defend ourselves against no one is one of those things that makes less sense the more you think about it.

I hope these people don't have jobs involving sharp objects or naked flames.

[BoneDog]

I'm still waiting for some science to explain why we couldn't possibly travel through the Van Allen belts.

If it's so easy you'd think that the Space Shuttle might have tried a bit of exploring instead of just going a bit higher than a passenger plane.

[fleckneymike]

If it's so easy you'd think that the Space Shuttle might have tried a bit of exploring instead of just going a bit higher than a passenger plane.

Answer the question. What scientific reason is there for not being able to travel through the Van Allen belt?

[BoneDog]

The cold war one is the best. The complete lack of logic behind it is genius. Faking the whole thing so we could build weapons to defend ourselves against no one is one of those things that makes less sense the more you think about it.

Governments create enemies all the time in order to further achieve their goals. I'm saying that the people who controlled the governments involved in the cold war had their reasons. I'm sure that they benefited no end and made themselves and their families much richer and stronger.

[BoneDog]

Answer the question. What scientific reason is there for not being able to travel through the Van Allen belt?

It's not possible for a human to go through. We've dabbled with it and failed. We've never tried since and the ISS is about as far out there as is physically possible for humans to stay safe and work.

Edit : just nipping back to page 8 to catch up.

[fleckneymike]

Governments create enemies all the time in order to further achieve their goals. I'm saying that the people who controlled the governments involved in the cold war had their reasons. I'm sure that they benefited no end and made themselves and their families much richer and stronger.

So did the conspiracy begin with Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels or was it a bit later?

[fleckneymike]

It's not possible for a human to go through. We've dabbled with it and failed. We've never tried since and the ISS is about as far out there as is physically possible for humans to stay safe and work.

Edit : just nipping back to page 8 to catch up.

Please give me the science which says it's not possible for a human to travel through it.

[marko]

It's not possible for a human to go through. We've dabbled with it and failed. We've never tried since and the ISS is about as far out there as is physically possible for humans to stay safe and work.

Edit : just nipping back to page 8 to catch up.

What's your take on comments by Dr James Van Allen that people claiming not being able to pass through the belt is "nonsense". With all due respect, I think he's probably slightly better qualified to give an opinion over your spurious, nonsensical ramblings... unless of course he's in on it too!!!

[BoneDog]

In what way does the 14 pages of conjecture debunk it? At no stage does the author offer any quantifiable proof, he merely constructs a meandering narrative in order to connect the non existing dots.

He debunks the moon lazer by saying

"It is perfectly obvious though that the targets, if there, could have been placed robotically - most likely by the Soviets."

Robotically is the only explanation. If they are there. More than one person was bouncing beams off the moons surface years before the Americans supposedly went there. No need for a reflector.

We have put things on Mars robotically so if there's anything on the moon then I'd say that they were placed robitically too.

He claims the blue prints have been lost yet offers no evidence to support this claim.

Have NASA proved him wrong on that one?

I've also missed the part as to why the Russians would be happy to cover-up a fake landing when they wanted to prove their superiority over America?!?

If we check the facts from the space race back in those days we find that the Russians had total superiority over America in every field. Light years ahead. I don't think they needed to prove anything. It was the other way around - it was the American government who had something to prove.

"The ‘debunkers’ are right about one thing though: the list of Soviet firsts that I included in an earlier post in this series is not entirely accurate. Truth be told, I appear to have sold the Soviets short by leaving out a number of the early accomplishments of their space program, including a couple of firsts that the United States was unable to match for decades. Here then is a more complete list of Russian firsts in the years leading up to and during the alleged Apollo missions:

· May 15, 1957 – The Soviet Union tests the R-7 Semyorka, the world’s first intercontinental ballistic missile.

· October 4, 1957 – The Soviets launch Sputnik 1, Earth’s first manmade satellite.

· November 3, 1957 – A dog named Laika becomes the first animal to enter Earth orbit aboard Sputnik 2. Unfortunately for Laika though, she isn’t booked for a return flight.

· January 2, 1959 – Luna 1 becomes the first manmade object to leave Earth’s orbit.

· September 13, 1959 – After an intentional crash landing, Luna 2 becomes the first manmade object on the Moon.

· October 6, 1959 – Luna 3 provides mankind with its first look at the far side of the Moon.

· August 20, 1960 – Belka and Strelka, aboard Sputnik 5, are the first animals to safely return from Earth orbit.

· October 14, 1960 – Marsnik 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Mars, blasts off.

· February 12, 1961 – Venera 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Venus, blasts off.

· April 12, 1961 – Yuri Gagarin, riding aboard the Vostok 1, becomes the first man in Earth orbit.

· May 19, 1961 – Venera 1 performs the first ever fly-by of another planet (Venus).

· August 6, 1961 – Gherman Titov, aboard the Vostok 2, becomes the first man to spend over a day in space and the first to sleep in Earth orbit.

· August 11 & 12, 1962 – Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 are launched, the first simultaneous manned space flights (though they do not rendezvous).

· October 12, 1964 – Voskhod 1, carrying the world’s first multi-man crew, is launched.

· March 18, 1965 – Aleksei Leonov, riding aboard the Voskhod 2, performs the first space-walk.

· February 3, 1966 – Luna 9 becomes the first probe to make a controlled, ‘soft’ landing on the Moon.

· March 1, 1966 – Venera 3, launched November 16, 1965, becomes the first probe to impact another planet (Venus).

· April 3, 1966 – Luna 10 becomes the first manmade lunar satellite.

· October 30, 1967 – Cosmos 186 and Cosmos 188 become the first unmanned spacecraft to rendezvous and dock in Earth orbit. The United States will not duplicate this maneuver for nearly four decades.

· January 16, 1969 – Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 become the first manned spacecraft to dock in Earth orbit and the first to exchange crews.

· November 17, 1970 – Lunokhod 1, the first robotic rover to land on and explore an extraterrestrial body, lands on the Moon. Twenty-seven years later, the United States lands it’s very first robotic rover on Mars.

· December 15, 1970 – Venera 7 becomes the first probe to make a soft landing on another planet (Venus).

· April 19, 1971 – Salyut 1 becomes the world’s first orbiting space station.

· August 22, 1972 – Mars 2 becomes the first probe to reach the surface of Mars. "

from this link - http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo7.html

[fleckneymike]

Robotically is the only explanation. If they are there. More than one person was bouncing beams off the moons surface years before the Americans supposedly went there. No need for a reflector.

We have put things on Mars robotically so if there's anything on the moon then I'd say that they were placed robitically too.

Have NASA proved him wrong on that one?

If we check the facts from the space race back in those days we find that the Russians had total superiority over America in every field. Light years ahead. I don't think they needed to prove anything. It was the other way around - it was the American government who had something to prove.

"The ‘debunkers’ are right about one thing though: the list of Soviet firsts that I included in an earlier post in this series is not entirely accurate. Truth be told, I appear to have sold the Soviets short by leaving out a number of the early accomplishments of their space program, including a couple of firsts that the United States was unable to match for decades. Here then is a more complete list of Russian firsts in the years leading up to and during the alleged Apollo missions:

· May 15, 1957 – The Soviet Union tests the R-7 Semyorka, the world’s first intercontinental ballistic missile.

· October 4, 1957 – The Soviets launch Sputnik 1, Earth’s first manmade satellite.

· November 3, 1957 – A dog named Laika becomes the first animal to enter Earth orbit aboard Sputnik 2. Unfortunately for Laika though, she isn’t booked for a return flight.

· January 2, 1959 – Luna 1 becomes the first manmade object to leave Earth’s orbit.

· September 13, 1959 – After an intentional crash landing, Luna 2 becomes the first manmade object on the Moon.

· October 6, 1959 – Luna 3 provides mankind with its first look at the far side of the Moon.

· August 20, 1960 – Belka and Strelka, aboard Sputnik 5, are the first animals to safely return from Earth orbit.

· October 14, 1960 – Marsnik 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Mars, blasts off.

· February 12, 1961 – Venera 1, the first probe sent from Earth to Venus, blasts off.

· April 12, 1961 – Yuri Gagarin, riding aboard the Vostok 1, becomes the first man in Earth orbit.

· May 19, 1961 – Venera 1 performs the first ever fly-by of another planet (Venus).

· August 6, 1961 – Gherman Titov, aboard the Vostok 2, becomes the first man to spend over a day in space and the first to sleep in Earth orbit.

· August 11 & 12, 1962 – Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 are launched, the first simultaneous manned space flights (though they do not rendezvous).

· October 12, 1964 – Voskhod 1, carrying the world’s first multi-man crew, is launched.

· March 18, 1965 – Aleksei Leonov, riding aboard the Voskhod 2, performs the first space-walk.

· February 3, 1966 – Luna 9 becomes the first probe to make a controlled, ‘soft’ landing on the Moon.

· March 1, 1966 – Venera 3, launched November 16, 1965, becomes the first probe to impact another planet (Venus).

· April 3, 1966 – Luna 10 becomes the first manmade lunar satellite.

· October 30, 1967 – Cosmos 186 and Cosmos 188 become the first unmanned spacecraft to rendezvous and dock in Earth orbit. The United States will not duplicate this maneuver for nearly four decades.

· January 16, 1969 – Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 become the first manned spacecraft to dock in Earth orbit and the first to exchange crews.

· November 17, 1970 – Lunokhod 1, the first robotic rover to land on and explore an extraterrestrial body, lands on the Moon. Twenty-seven years later, the United States lands it’s very first robotic rover on Mars.

· December 15, 1970 – Venera 7 becomes the first probe to make a soft landing on another planet (Venus).

· April 19, 1971 – Salyut 1 becomes the world’s first orbiting space station.

· August 22, 1972 – Mars 2 becomes the first probe to reach the surface of Mars. "

from this link - http://davesweb.cnch...om/Apollo7.html

Very impressive, especially as they conveniently omit any US firsts. Gemeni 8 might be an interesting read for you.

I'm still waiting on the science behind our inability to travel through the Van Allen belts.

[BoneDog]

What's your take on comments by Dr James Van Allen that people claiming not being able to pass through the belt is "nonsense". With all due respect, I think he's probably slightly better qualified to give an opinion over your spurious, nonsensical ramblings... unless of course he's in on it too!!!

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything he stated to the public. He is the man who agreed to assist the Pentagon in the detonation of massive nuclear bombs in the radiation belts - Operation Fishbowl and Starfish Prime - creating additional artificial belts. Him and his helpers are responsible for much of the earths poisons we see today thanks to the bombs they exploded in our atmosphere 'just as an experiment'. F*&k them.

He can write as much as he likes about how the belts wouldn't harm astronauts, I don't believe a word people like that say to the public. Action speaks louder than words, and if it's so easy for man to travel through the belts then it's about time they started doing it. There's space out there to explore don't they know. What the frick are they playing at? 220 miles, is that really all they can do if the belts are so safe?

Incidentally, they decided to blow up nukes in our atmosphere one day after Van Allen told the world about his discovery. ONE DAY it took them to decide that this would be a good idea.

[AdamN]

Action speaks louder than words, and if it's so easy for man to travel through the belts then it's about time they started doing it.

They did, in 1969.

[fleckneymike]

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything he stated to the public. He is the man who agreed to assist the Pentagon in the detonation of massive nuclear bombs in the radiation belts - Operation Fishbowl and Starfish Prime - creating additional artificial belts. Him and his helpers are responsible for much of the earths poisons we see today thanks to the bombs they exploded in our atmosphere 'just as an experiment'. F*&k them.

He can write as much as he likes about how the belts wouldn't harm astronauts, I don't believe a word people like that say to the public. Action speaks louder than words, and if it's so easy for man to travel through the belts then it's about time they started doing it. There's space out there to explore don't they know. What the frick are they playing at? 220 miles, is that really all they can do if the belts are so safe?

Incidentally, they decided to blow up nukes in our atmosphere one day after Van Allen told the world about his discovery. ONE DAY it took them to decide that this would be a good idea.

You are aware that they are called the Van Allen belts because he discovered them? If you don't believe a word he says does that mean they don't exist either?

[BoneDog]

I'm not pussying out of this but I've got to go and catch up on the days weight-lifting and swimming for a couple of hours before bed.

I'm up to page 10 and will come back and continue to put myself up for more ridicule tomorrow.

[fleckneymike]

I'm up to page 10 and will come back and continue to put myself up for more ridicule tomorrow.

I prefer to think of it as pity.

After lifting some weights and swimming about look into Apollo 8. That one is a bit of a problem too.

[sphericalfox]

Nerds get pissed!

[fleckneymike]

Nerds get pissed!

You'd be pissed too if you achieved one of the greatest feats in human history and now you're relegated to hitching a lift into space because politicians see no votes in science.

[sphericalfox]

You'd be pissed too if you achieved one of the greatest feats in human history and now you're relegated to hitching a lift into space because politicians see no votes in science.

psyince is fo suckas

[definitely not finners]