1969 Moon Landing

[fleckneymike]

Or the equipment to measure it is better than used previously, or more samples were taken etc etc etc. There could be any number of reasons as to why they think it's different to before.

The changes are due to cosmic events. The belts change on a daily basis as the various particles which impact and become trapped come from deep space. NASA are launching a probe this month to track these changes and hopefully make them more 'predictable'.

[MooseBreath]

Or maybe they've got better things to do than respond to some basement dwelling nutjobs on the internet

[Zingari]

The changes are due to cosmic events. The belts change on a daily basis as the various particles which impact and become trapped come from deep space. NASA are launching a probe this month to track these changes and hopefully make them more 'predictable'.

So science can predict all that stuff , but not that we were going to have all that fookin rain last month ?

[fleckneymike]

Things like we don't have the technology now to go to the money and it would take a decade to develop it, when it was originally developed in a much shorter space of time, 50 years ago. That the plans for the original space suits have been lost, along with some of the moon rocks and other things that just don't sound plausible.

I am not saying that we didn't go to the moon, I am just saying that NASA allow this conspiracy theory to continue for their own gains.

Can you find the evidence which shows the space suit designs have been lost?

The American brought back tons of moon rock. The majority of 'missing' moon rock was given to foreign governments and has a value of £280,800 per 0.2 grams, the reason some of it's gone 'missing' is because people are profiteering and selling it.

It took America nearly a decade from JFK announcing that they will go to the moon (1962) to America landing (1969). The entire NASA programme was designed around landing on the Moon and was extremely well funded, now NASA is incredibly poorly funded and is not geared towards lunar exploration.

[breadandcheese]

I'm sure someone has probably mentioned this but the reason we don't send Men/Women into Space like we did then is because we have realized it is cheaper, easier and more productive to send computer operated robotic equipment. If we send a man the general public will expect that man to return safely when probes/robots can be left on Planets, Moons or even asteroids and they can get there with no food, oxygen and all the other things which men need that increases the weight of a spacecraft significantly. Look at equipment that is still sending information now, many years after being launched to see that sending men is not needed.

The only reason to send man to the Moon again is to say "we done that". If it does get done again then my money would be on China, so they can show the world they are now a truly global powerhouse. It will accomplish nothing else though.

Absolutely.

[fleckneymike]

So science can predict all that stuff , but not that we were going to have all that fookin rain last month ?

I beg your pardon? How are the two connected?

NASA 'hope' to be able to predict the VAB by studying it intensely for two years. I imagine they are looking for cause and effect patterns between cosmic events and the belts changes.

[Zingari]

Can you find the evidence which shows the space suit designs have been lost?

The American brought back tons of moon rock. The majority of 'missing' moon rock was given to foreign governments and has a value of £280,800 per 0.2 grams, the reason some of it's gone 'missing' is because people are profiteering and selling it.

It took America nearly a decade from JFK announcing that they will go to the moon (1962) to America landing (1969). The entire NASA programme was designed around landing on the Moon and was extremely well funded, now NASA is incredibly poorly funded and is not geared towards lunar exploration.

it doesn't explain why the Technologically advanced and super rich Chinese can't do it for at least anothe decade .

and surely it's up to you to prove that the designs are there

I beg your pardon? How are the two connected?

NASA 'hope' to be able to predict the VAB by studying it intensely for two years. I imagine they are looking for cause and effect patterns between cosmic events and the belts changes.

So in all the missions that transited , they just got lucky that no pilots suffered from radiation ?

[Babylon]

So science can predict all that stuff , but not that we were going to have all that fookin rain last month ?

He said make them MORE predictable, as the weather is now fairly predictable. There is only so far you can look into the future though.

There could be certain regular cosmic events that impact upon it, with something there checking it regularly you can look for patterns.

[Babylon]

So in all the missions that transited , they just got lucky that no pilots suffered from radiation ?

Or they were well protected, or they weren't exposed to it for a sustained period, or it's just not as bad as you think it is.

[Zingari]

Or they were well protected, or they weren't exposed to it for a sustained period, or it's just not as bad as you think it is.

Why are they bothering about predicting what it does on the basis of it being no big deal then ?

[Zingari]

I'd just like to point at at this juncture that I'm sorry I can't answer all this stuff , I'm only looking after the shop til Empty gets back .

[whoareyaaa]

they clearly did land on the moon as Russia would have said/found out otherwise and people stating that they haven't been back again are wrong they have been back on numerous occasions.

I think they are moving onto bigger things than the Moon as others have stated Mars is next and I'm sure they have plenty of other projects far past the Moon, from a few people I have spoken to the technology that America have is already in the two generations ahead of what we see today... plus NASA won't tell the public everything they do now will they.

[Babylon]

Why are they bothering about predicting what it does on the basis of it being no big deal then ?

Why do they bother predicting the weather in England? It's not particularly dangerous?

[Captain...]

Can you find the evidence which shows the space suit designs have been lost?

The American brought back tons of moon rock. The majority of 'missing' moon rock was given to foreign governments and has a value of £280,800 per 0.2 grams, the reason some of it's gone 'missing' is because people are profiteering and selling it.

It took America nearly a decade from JFK announcing that they will go to the moon (1962) to America landing (1969). The entire NASA programme was designed around landing on the Moon and was extremely well funded, now NASA is incredibly poorly funded and is not geared towards lunar exploration.

So if it took 7 years in the sixties to go for the first time, why is it going to take longer to go again, this is what I don't understand, the funding is not an issue, as has been proved all the money spent on NASA has paid for itself 10 times over in innovations.

I have read various articles about the plans for the suits going missing, some of the moon rocks have gone missing, or been replaced with wood etc. The links are all on here, like I said I am not saying we didn't go to the moon, I am saying NASA are not being straight with us and are allowing the faked landing conspiracy to exist and grow.

[Zingari]

Why do they bother predicting the weather in England? It's not particularly dangerous?

So those floods were just my imagination were they ?

There is even less reason to predict the activities within the VABs , because if as you say they are not dangerous and easily passed through , what is the point ?

Why do they bother predicting the weather in England? It's not particularly dangerous?

[fleckneymike]

it doesn't explain why the Technologically advanced and super rich Chinese can't do it for at least anothe decade .

and surely it's up to you to prove that the designs are there

So in all the missions that transited , they just got lucky that no pilots suffered from radiation ?

You know the expression 'it's not exactly rocket science', the reason we use that expression is because rocket science is quite tricky.

Building a rocket to go into space is not the same as building a rocket to go to the moon, you start small and work your way up. The Chinese are at the very beginning of their space exploration, that is why they still crash to earth using capsules whilst the Americans were gliding home on shuttles before the funding was cut.

There is and was no luck in the lack of radiation, if you are exposed constantly to the VAB you will get quite ill, if you merely pass through them you will be exposed to a small non lethal amount (far less than workers at nuclear sites). The problem with the VAB is that we have to build extensive shielding for satellites which occupy the same area of space, by studying the patterns and behaviour of the VAB we can design better, cheaper and more efficient satellites.

[breadandcheese]

So if it took 7 years in the sixties to go for the first time, why is it going to take longer to go again, this is what I don't understand, the funding is not an issue, as has been proved all the money spent on NASA has paid for itself 10 times over in innovations.

I have read various articles about the plans for the suits going missing, some of the moon rocks have gone missing, or been replaced with wood etc. The links are all on here, like I said I am not saying we didn't go to the moon, I am saying NASA are not being straight with us and are allowing the faked landing conspiracy to exist and grow.

Other have used the nuclear analogy in this thread rather well,

Same applies here.

It took America 5 years to build a nuclear bomb nearly seventy years ago.

It is taking Iran nearly 20 years today and they've still not achieved it. Even factoring in sanctions, it still proves the point.

The funding issue is a problem. At a time of intense funding constraints for all governments, programmes get cut. Space exploration is an easy one to cut. America now have no space shuttle programme. They also use Russian spaceships. Funding is an issue.

[Darkon84]

To lighten the mood a little. Some people are bordering heart attacks here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-NkX86uPI0

United States of Space, bitches!

[Zingari]

You know the expression 'it's not exactly rocket science', the reason we use that expression is because rocket science is quite tricky.

Building a rocket to go into space is not the same as building a rocket to go to the moon, you start small and work your way up. The Chinese are at the very beginning of their space exploration, that is why they still crash to earth using capsules whilst the Americans were gliding home on shuttles before the funding was cut.

There is and was no luck in the lack of radiation, if you are exposed constantly to the VAB you will get quite ill, if you merely pass through them you will be exposed to a small non lethal amount (far less than workers at nuclear sites). The problem with the VAB is that we have to build extensive shielding for satellites which occupy the same area of space, by studying the patterns and behaviour of the VAB we can design better, cheaper and more efficient satellites.

Sorry but this comparison is not convincing in the slightest .

The Americans were in the nursery of space exploration in 62 but managed to graduate with honours in 69 , but the Chinese are incapable of even equalling that in over 60 years ( if they achieve it by then) with all the benefits of standing on the shoulders of all the advancements made since then ?

Does this not concern you in the slightest or even give you reason enough to understand why so many are suspicious ?

[Rincewind]

A football manager of a Championship team can follow the tactics used by Akex Fergusson but they will probably not win the Europeon Cup. They may have the knowledge but the parts do not fit ie. the players.

Its the same with the Chinese and their space program. They know what to do but are not getting the pieces to fit.

[fleckneymike]

So if it took 7 years in the sixties to go for the first time, why is it going to take longer to go again, this is what I don't understand, the funding is not an issue, as has been proved all the money spent on NASA has paid for itself 10 times over in innovations.

I have read various articles about the plans for the suits going missing, some of the moon rocks have gone missing, or been replaced with wood etc. The links are all on here, like I said I am not saying we didn't go to the moon, I am saying NASA are not being straight with us and are allowing the faked landing conspiracy to exist and grow.

Again you are misunderstand or misrepresent the facts.

Funding is a major issue, NASA has had its funding slashed so going to the moon is not a viable option financially or scientifically. The Chinese are just beginning and their entire space programme is not focused on lunar exploration, their next aim is to design and build a space station.

Could you please find one article which shows the spacesuit designs have been lost? Once you've managed that could you also explain why you believe losing the design for the suit (and not the actual suits themselves) is significant?

As I have explained any missing moon rock is missing because it has been stolen for financial gain. You could always go to the natural history museum and look at OUR rock from Apollo 16 if you like.

[Zingari]

Other have used the nuclear analogy in this thread rather well,

Same applies here.

It took America 5 years to build a nuclear bomb nearly seventy years ago.

It is taking Iran nearly 20 years today and they've still not achieved it. Even factoring in sanctions, it still proves the point.

The funding issue is a problem. At a time of intense funding constraints for all governments, programmes get cut. Space exploration is an easy one to cut. America now have no space shuttle programme. They also use Russian spaceships. Funding is an issue.

I think the possibility that Iran is being prevented from developing a nuclear weapon might be a huge factor in this .

And of course other countries , such as the seemingly slow on the uptake Russians and Chinese have managed it .

[Babylon]

So those floods were just my imagination were they ?

Exactly... just because something isn't dangerous 99.9% of the time. Doesn't mean it cannot be!!!

So you study it (the weather or VAB) to try and predict the .1%.

There is even less reason to predict the activities within the VABs , because if as you say they are not dangerous and easily passed through , what is the point ?

See above.

[Zingari]

Exactly... just because something isn't dangerous 99.9% of the time. Doesn't mean it cannot be!!!

So you study it (the weather or VAB) to try and predict the .1%.

See above.

So that's it then , they just got lucky in all the Apollo missions then? fair enough

Why should it matter what effects the VABs have if all that's reqired to pass through them is a suit designed in the 60's and an aluminium tin can ?

Surely you should at least be interested in the reasons so much money is being spent on something that no one can do anything about , and has been "proven" not to be dangerous if the astronauts have passed throught it many times unscathed

[marty78]

Other have used the nuclear analogy in this thread rather well,

Same applies here.

It took America 5 years to build a nuclear bomb nearly seventy years ago.

It is taking Iran nearly 20 years today and they've still not achieved it. Even factoring in sanctions, it still proves the point.

The funding issue is a problem. At a time of intense funding constraints for all governments, programmes get cut. Space exploration is an easy one to cut. America now have no space shuttle programme. They also use Russian spaceships. Funding is an issue.

It also took 44 years for the US Navy to return to the geographic South Pole after Scott in 1912, a much less remarkable achievement but a historical achievement nonetheless.

An interesting read on radiation testing during the Apollo missions - http://lsda.jsc.nasa...pollo/S2ch3.htm

A quote about Van Allen belts in that link:

"The simple solution to protection is to remain under the belts [below an altitude of approximately 556 km (? 300 nautical miles)] when in Earth orbit, and to traverse the belts rapidly on the way to outer space"

It does go on to mention variations in the belts due to the effect of Earth magnetic field which means it is a bit trickier than that sentence would suggest. It also says though that the radiation the crew was subjected to was below guidelines for American employees that worked with radioactive materials in factories. It is an interesting read I think.