Ben Nelson

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Looking at when he made his debut, when he went on loan, etc. It seems he is very much in the Leicester model in terms of timeline, pretty much similar to Chilwell until his injury.

I do get the argument about peer’s being of more questionable quality mind.

The big difference is, we were a better side then, in the PL. This is the first time in recent times, that we have a prospect who has actually been playing well at the level we are at and overlooked them. 
 

Let’s say when we were doing well in the PL, I’d say KDH had been playing really well for a Palace or a Burnley or someone in the bottom half but in the PL. And at the same time, we had been playing Mendy or someone else average at the time and were struggling, people would have been demanding he be involved. 
 

I think that is as important to acknowledge as our own decrease in quality. Not really a compatible situation to when Barnes, Chilwell and KDH were brought through.

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

The big difference is, we were a better side then, in the PL. This is the first time in recent times, that we have a prospect who has actually been playing well at the level we are at and overlooked them. 
 

Let’s say when we were doing well in the PL, I’d say KDH had been playing really well for a Palace or a Burnley or someone in the bottom half but in the PL. And at the same time, we had been playing Mendy or someone else average at the time and were struggling, people would have been demanding he be involved. 
 

I think that is as important to acknowledge as our own decrease in quality. Not really a compatible situation to when Barnes, Chilwell and KDH were brought through.

Fair enough, he is now worst case fourth choice, so could the impending internationals be a window where he is required I wonder? Realise that Luke was forced through when he broke into the starters, but yeah, different levels, different times. Also CB’s do emerge typically later than other outfield players and he is still on a fairly typical pathway given his age, perhaps slightly delayed due to injury.

[Stormfox]

44 minutes ago, Fox on the Rox said:

Us not playing him has lost him his place in the England set up he's been part of since u17 (Scotland at u16). I'm not sure there's any coming back from that tbh even if we play him later on. He's surely gonna want to be out of here come January. 

I'll bet he wanted out in the last window when it became apparent he wasn't going to start. 

[Dahnsouff]

Start versus Portsmouth a possibility as all three senior CB’s only just returned from internationals. 

[LCFCJohn]

15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Fair enough, he is now worst case fourth choice, so could the impending internationals be a window where he is required I wonder? Realise that Luke was forced through when he broke into the starters, but yeah, different levels, different times. Also CB’s do emerge typically later than other outfield players and he is still on a fairly typical pathway given his age, perhaps slightly delayed due to injury.

I do think his progression and upwards movement has been pretty typical until this season but now we find ourselves in a pretty odd situation.

 

Its bizarre as he probably starts for all other 23 sides in this league and yet some of those sides are better than us.

 

Its likely he is a victim of the club deteriorating faster than the deadwood can be moved (didn’t help ourselves by actually keeping Vestergaard by choice when we had the chance to so bye). I’m still doubtful he will be patient enough to hang around until Vestergaard retires at the end of the new contract we give him personally! 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

I do think his progression and upwards movement has been pretty typical until this season but now we find ourselves in a pretty odd situation.

 

Its bizarre as he probably starts for all other 23 sides in this league and yet some of those sides are better than us.

 

Its likely he is a victim of the club deteriorating faster than the deadwood can be moved (didn’t help ourselves by actually keeping Vestergaard by choice when we had the chance to so bye). I’m still doubtful he will be patient enough to hang around until Vestergaard retires at the end of the new contract we give him personally! 

According to reports it was Faes who was the one who was looking to exit, which would have done nicely. 

[Fox on the Rox]

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

According to reports it was Faes who was the one who was looking to exit, which would have done nicely. 

Yeah, sadly nobody wanted him. Should've let Nelson go on loan once it became clear Faes wasn't going anywhere and 'experience' was going to be the top criteria for selection.

[LCFCJohn]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

According to reports it was Faes who was the one who was looking to exit, which would have done nicely. 

I just can’t wait to see the back of both of them. This is just from the last two games;

 

Faes falling on his arse as the West Brom forward walked through out defence.

Vestergaard stuck up near the halfway line in the same move as the goal went in

 

Faes completely missing a header and looking a mug. Fortunately high enough up the pitch it didn’t cost us.

 

Faes trying to run through the Wrexham team, losing control, falling over and getting booked wiping out the Wrexham player. Wout special that. 

 

Vestegaard with the most embarrassing attempt to shield the ball, directly leading to the Wrexham equaliser.

 

Put like that, it’s a joke people continue to highlight the one half Nelson was poor against Huddersfield which I can’t recall actually leading to a goal (might be wrong).

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Fox on the Rox said:

Yeah, sadly nobody wanted him. Should've let Nelson go on loan once it became clear Faes wasn't going anywhere and 'experience' was going to be the top criteria for selection.

Problem with that of course, is that three center backs is not really enough when you have little to no u21 cover. Loan a more senior one in so we could get Ben a loan maybe. 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I just can’t wait to see the back of both of them. This is just from the last two games;

 

Faes falling on his arse as the West Brom forward walked through out defence.

Vestergaard stuck up near the halfway line in the same move as the goal went in

 

Faes completely missing a header and looking a mug. Fortunately high enough up the pitch it didn’t cost us.

 

Faes trying to run through the Wrexham team, losing control, falling over and getting booked wiping out the Wrexham player. Wout special that. 

 

Vestegaard with the most embarrassing attempt to shield the ball, directly leading to the Wrexham equaliser.

 

Put like that, it’s a joke people continue to highlight the one half Nelson was poor against Huddersfield which I can’t recall actually leading to a goal (might be wrong).

He needs to come in whilst one of the others is on International duty and do ok, not great or outstanding, just do fine.
He is clearly capable enough but is blocked by the old guard.

Cannot theorise what the hell went on during the window, but it feels like Ben is having to wait for his chance even if those blocking him are underperforming more than we would like.

Only saving grace is that he is not really behind on the first team promotion timeline given his injury last season.

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

He needs to come in whilst one of the others is on International duty and do ok, not great or outstanding, just do fine.
He is clearly capable enough but is blocked by the old guard.

Cannot theorise what the hell went on during the window, but it feels like Ben is having to wait for his chance even if those blocking him are underperforming more than we would like.

Only saving grace is that he is not really behind on the first team promotion timeline given his injury last season.

It’s just really grates that people continue to bring up Huddersfield yet I can’t recall actually list a rap sheet as long as that from the last two games alone and Faes and Vestergaard are defended by so many!

 

I can’t see international duty making a difference given we don’t play during it. 
 

It looks less likely we will get promoted this season but if we did, and even if Ben did sign a new deal, his lack of involvement is the difference between a confident player having a full season at this level and being able to step up and not. All that happens if we go up is that we have to just loan him out to the Championship again as he won’t be ready for PL. If we don’t go up, it’s more likely he gets a better offer anyway.

[Dahnsouff]

5 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s just really grates that people continue to bring up Huddersfield yet I can’t recall actually list a rap sheet as long as that from the last two games alone and Faes and Vestergaard are defended by so many!

 

I can’t see international duty making a difference given we don’t play during it. 
 

It looks less likely we will get promoted this season but if we did, and even if Ben did sign a new deal, his lack of involvement is the difference between a confident player having a full season at this level and being able to step up and not. All that happens if we go up is that we have to just loan him out to the Championship again as he won’t be ready for PL. If we don’t go up, it’s more likely he gets a better offer anyway.

No more interested in Huddersfield for Ben, than I am for single instances of failure for the others. Once the failures become too many, it’s time to rotate.

There is a game 4 days after the last international, depending on the journey time, it may have an effect.

Won’t give up, still hope for us and Ben.

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Start versus Portsmouth a possibility as all three senior CB’s only just returned from internationals. 

I think only Vestergaard has been called up, and he might not even play for Denmark either unfortunately

[Dahnsouff]

52 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I think only Vestergaard has been called up, and he might not even play for Denmark either unfortunately

Has Okoli not be called up for the u21s?

 

Edit, you are right, no Faes or Okoli in the squads.

Edited 3 October 2025 by Dahnsouff

[Muzzy Elliot]

6 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Skin like a rhino, but appreciate the cover  

You should probably see someone about that. 

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Has Okoli not be called up for the u21s?

 

Edit, you are right, no Faes or Okoli in the squads.

Okoli is actually 24 now! I for some reason also thought he was a bit younger haha

[sharpylcfc]

I wonder if Nelson could be in the squad tomorrow. 

[Stormfox]

As the saying goes... "Live in hope, Die in dispair" 

[Dan]

It's another one of those situations where we seem to manage to stumble on the worst possible outcome. This happens so often it's unbelievable.

 

We've sacrificed the long, and potentially short term, to not even really get anything in exchange in the short term but more dog shit served up by the usual suspects.

 

This myth that they've been good this season. We've given up the 7th most chances in the division this season. We've given away two goals worth of chances in all four away games.

 

It's a genuine disgrace. This club's ability to get it wrong is barely fathomable.

[LCFCJohn]

9 minutes ago, Dan said:

It's another one of those situations where we seem to manage to stumble on the worst possible outcome. This happens so often it's unbelievable.

 

We've sacrificed the long, and potentially short term, to not even really get anything in exchange in the short term but more dog shit served up by the usual suspects.

 

This myth that they've been good this season. We've given up the 7th most chances in the division this season. We've given away two goals worth of chances in all four away games.

 

It's a genuine disgrace. This club's ability to get it wrong is barely fathomable.

From the last two games alone;

 

Faes falling on his arse as the West Brom forward walked through out defence.

Vestergaard stuck up near the halfway line in the same move as the goal went in

 

Faes completely missing a header and looking a mug. Fortunately high enough up the pitch it didn’t cost us.

 

Faes trying to run through the Wrexham team, losing control, falling over and getting booked wiping out the Wrexham player. Wout special that. 

 

Vestegaard with the most embarrassing attempt to shield the ball, directly leading to the Wrexham equaliser.

 

Absolute myth that they are good at this level even. People who think so either don’t watch with their eyes or are rigidly stick two years ago when they were…ok, and we managed to win the league due to goals from Vardy, KDH, Fatawu and Mavididi and despite the defence that was average/midtable at best. 
 

As you say, we are sacrificing both short and long term. Staggering incompetence.

Edited 4 October 2025 by LCFCJohn

[Jazzy_Jeff]

My guess is that we don’t want someone on Vestergaards wages sat on the bench or in the stands. I also wouldn’t want Faes or Okoli guiding Nelson through a game.

 

When he’s back fit I think Nelson and Souttar would be a great partnership. Harry is excellent at this level and they would compliment each other really well 

[moore_94]

On 26/09/2025 at 20:13, moore_94 said:

#FreeNelson

bump

[The Doctor]

On 03/10/2025 at 08:55, Dahnsouff said:

Whataboutery? Really?

 

This is about Nelson. He was ample (edit - good) for Oxford last season. That does not mean he is sufficient for Leicester this season.

Should be given a go? Yes when adjudged ready.

I mean it does though. It shows he is more than capable of performing at this level. Now, yes the players he's competing with for positions are different and our goal for the season is different, and that would mean something if he'd been involved a bit and not performed, but one 45 minutes shouldn't be enough to cast him aside while Faes and Vestegaard make a mistake leading to a good chance every week

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I mean it does though. It shows he is more than capable of performing at this level. Now, yes the players he's competing with for positions are different and our goal for the season is different, and that would mean something if he'd been involved a bit and not performed, but one 45 minutes shouldn't be enough to cast him aside while Faes and Vestegaard make a mistake leading to a good chance every week

Not it doesn't   Plenty of players show performance variation between seasons. Irrelevant as I also want him to appear and do well, but no body deserves to start, and certainly not based on historic performances.

[lcfc_forever]

On 02/10/2025 at 18:23, dmayne7 said:

No, it's the opposite; you're letting 'stats' (which I assumed you'd share as part of your arguement) overrule things that are visible. It is several mistakes, I've just listed the examples to you? Where did I say his lack of pace was a mistake? Please could you point that out? But if you have a weakness or deficiency, you do your best to not let it get exposed over other things to compensate for it. That's a fact of life, not just football. It's what all successful people do. In his case, he can't go diving into tackles or try and nip in to win the ball because if he does that in the wrong part of the pitch and it doesn't come off, he's absolutely screwed. As was the case against West Brom (as I said, he wasn't solely to blame but it's a big error and to not be busting a gut to get back in is unacceptable). Then the Preston game, he's in a shocking position which they take advantage of. These 2 might not go down as errors in your stats but they absolutely are.

 

My criticisms of him are completely objective. I've stated he is good at this level but given several errors, how can we say he's been decent. And again, stats aren't going to show the issues that he causes to the whole team, nor will they show some of the benefits. You can use stats to argue any point. The intelligent way to use them (not a dig at your intelligence in case you think it is) is as a supplement to other types of evidence, that's where the real value is.

LOL, you've had a mare re. Vestergaard. Any questions on his performance today? 

 

But back to the thread, surely Nelson gets a go now instead of Faes?