How can people critisise England

[Tommeh]

After watching teams like Brazil and Holland scrape through just as we did and probably against easier teams than paraguay i can't believe we can be critisised, And France drawing and Argies just winning it just goes to show how vital it is to get a win 1st game no matter how you do it.

[macbeth]

After watching teams like Brazil and Holland scrape through just as we did and probably against easier teams than paraguay i can't believe we can be critisised, And France drawing and Argies just winning it just goes to show how vital it is to get a win 1st game no matter how you do it.

its what we do best if there were any prizes for criticism we'd be up there with the greats

[hairy]

its what we do best if there were any prizes for criticism we'd be up there with the greats

we are a nation of whingers and whiners

[Ron Burgundy]

vereh greedeh

[macbeth]

we are a nation of whingers and whiners

whatever happened to the stiff upper lip and bulldog spirit?

[Daggers]

whatever happened to the stiff upper lip and bulldog spirit?

They were sold off and the space was developed into a distribution centre

[Jon the Hat]

After watching teams like Brazil and Holland scrape through just as we did and probably against easier teams than paraguay i can't believe we can be critisised, And France drawing and Argies just winning it just goes to show how vital it is to get a win 1st game no matter how you do it.

And they are all getting plenty of criticism too.. So it's not just us.

[macbeth]

They were sold off and the space was developed into a distribution centre

are you after my job as reserve scriptwriter for the chuckle brothers

[Thracian]

After watching teams like Brazil and Holland scrape through just as we did and probably against easier teams than paraguay i can't believe we can be critisised, And France drawing and Argies just winning it just goes to show how vital it is to get a win 1st game no matter how you do it.

What have Brazil, Holland and France got to do with us?.

[davieG]

After watching teams like Brazil and Holland scrape through just as we did and probably against easier teams than paraguay i can't believe we can be critisised, And France drawing and Argies just winning it just goes to show how vital it is to get a win 1st game no matter how you do it.

After watching teams like Spain, Germany, Italy the Czechs you could ask why have England not been criticised more severely but that has about as much relevance to the England performance as your question.

As one of the critics my complaints have nothing to do with either the level of the oposition or their commitment, maybe the heat provided an excuse, my criticism was based on the lack of skill demonstrated, count up the number of misplaced passes, and the tactics used, count up the number of times the ball was pumped up to Crouch (not his fault). No wonder Owen was substituted for all the service he got he would have been more involved sitting in my lounge, with a beer watching the game.

I could list 8 or 9 players who underperformed, they have in my opinion produced one of the worst performances to date.

[Head Honcho]

After watching teams like Spain, Germany, Italy the Czechs you could ask why have England not been criticised more severely but that has about as much relevance to the England performance as your question.

As one of the critics my complaints have nothing to do with either the level of the oposition or their commitment, maybe the heat provided an excuse, my criticism was based on the lack of skill demonstrated, count up the number of misplaced passes, and the tactics used, count up the number of times the ball was pumped up to Crouch (not his fault). No wonder Owen was substituted for all the service he got he would have been more involved sitting in my lounge, with a beer watching the game.

I could list 8 or 9 players who underperformed, they have in my opinion produced one of the worst performances to date.

I personally think the goal came too early in the match and lets be honest they won the match at a stroll.

It's gonna be a long 6 weeks and the energy saved during this game may be vital to our performances in the latter stages of the competition.

[davieG]

I personally think the goal came too early in the match and lets be honest they won the match at a stroll.

It's gonna be a long 6 weeks and the energy saved during this game may be vital to our performances in the latter stages of the competition.

You don't need more energy to either pass the ball accurately or intelligently.

[Thracian]

I personally think the goal came too early in the match and lets be honest they won the match at a stroll.

It's gonna be a long 6 weeks and the energy saved during this game may be vital to our performances in the latter stages of the competition.

I don't think that energy quite works like that - ie if your store it week by week you have a surplus at the end.

I would have liked to hve seen England showing some style and team cohesion. A pattern of play that could been sustained and adapted. An indication that all the cogs were working and starting to fit together into one unit. The big thing about Alf Ramsey's team in 1966 was their togetherness, their understanding of each other's capabilities and their general competence and confidence. England looked a long way short of having those vital attributes to me.

[MC Prussian]

I can tell you why people (including me) critize England for their performance against Paraguay. I know we';ve only seen the first round, but:

- Your team doesn't play well together and you somehow still lack team spirit (too many individualistic characters on the pitch)

- Crouch as the only striker? Owen was not visible in the first half

- No initiative (apart from a few scenes from Beckham, Lampard and Joe Cole)

- The squad leads 1-0 and goes passive, sits back to watch Paraguay attack in the 2nd half

- Where was Gerrard?

- Sven and his odd substitutions (Downing? Hargreaves?)

- You win thanks to an own goal

On the other hand, I thought Ashley Cole deserves to start again. Together with Joe Cole probably the most dominant player on the pitch against Paraguay.

[Daggers]

are you after my job as reserve scriptwriter for the chuckle brothers

Ahh...is that why they're not very funny

[Head Honcho]

I don't think that energy quite works like that - ie if your store it week by week you have a surplus at the end.

I would have liked to hve seen England showing some style and team cohesion. A pattern of play that could been sustained and adapted. An indication that all the cogs were working and starting to fit together into one unit. The big thing about Alf Ramsey's team in 1966 was their togetherness, their understanding of each other's capabilities and their general competence and confidence. England looked a long way short of having those vital attributes to me.

Yeh but you cannot deny that they won the match at a stroll and although I agree with Davieg regarding passing the ball it's the result that matters and they always had another gear if needed.

[Thracian]

Yeh but you cannot deny that they won the match at a stroll and although I agree with Davieg regarding passing the ball it's the result that matters and they always had another gear if needed.

It doesn't matter if you've got another gear. Sitting on a lead is always a risky strategy - every Leicester fan should be aware of that - and matches can easily be lost or drawn as a result.

[Head Honcho]

It doesn't matter if you've got another gear. Sitting on a lead is always a risky strategy - every Leicester fan should be aware of that - and matches can easily be lost or drawn as a result.

Ahh!! There's always that

[Daggers]

at the end of the day

[Ultra]

I would have liked to hve seen England showing some style and team cohesion. A pattern of play that could been sustained and adapted. An indication that all the cogs were working and starting to fit together into one unit. The big thing about Alf Ramsey's team in 1966 was their togetherness, their understanding of each other's capabilities and their general competence and confidence. England looked a long way short of having those vital attributes to me.

And check out how the 1966 team did in THEIR first game of the tournament..

Does the irony escape you?

[Thracian]

And check out how the 1966 team did in THEIR first game of the tournament..

Does the irony escape you?

It is often possible to counter any comment by finding the exception but even aftertoday's victory I did not feel it was a convincing, cohesive performance. It was faltering, pedestrian and, as someone else said, predictable until the changes were made. But if you feel comfortable I hope it is justified when we come up against some proper challenges.

While you're in their you always have a chance but from what I've seen up to now I have real concerns. Nothing yet suggests this is a pedigree England team either individually or collectively. Do you think it is?