More "terrorists" arrested

[Head Honcho]

They are able to push through legislation that completely attacks our civil liberties that wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting off the ground if everyone weren't so jumpy about terrorism.

They woulda gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling High Court judges.

But he's made the himself and the Labour Party unpopular and possibly unelectable at the next election.

Your saying he's done that just to get a few acts passed through parliament.

Yerravin a laugh!

[Lemon Harpic]

But he's made the himself and the Labour Party unpopular and possibly unelectable at the next election.

Your saying he's done that just to get a few acts passed through parliament.

Yerravin a laugh!

Eh?

He invaded Iraq for the oil.

He hyped up fear of terrorism (remember the tanks at Heathrow?) to get otherwise unpassable acts through parliament.

The power of nightmares. By keeping us all afraid of terrorists, the bogeymen du jour, it is the government who benefit.

And TPH, obviously.

[Head Honcho]

Eh?

He invaded Iraq for the oil.

He hyped up fear of terrorism (remember the tanks at Heathrow?) to get otherwise unpassable acts through parliament.

The power of nightmares. By keeping us all afraid of terrorists, the bogeymen du jour, it is the government who benefit.

And TPH, obviously.

...........but how is this Labour government going to profit?

By doing all of the above he has made them unpopular and the Tories are now favourites to win the next election!

[Lemon Harpic]

...........but how is this Labour government going to profit?

By doing all of the above he has made them unpopular and the Tories are now favourites to win the next election!

The point still is, this government has hyped up the threat of terrorism to try to pass some oppressive acts which undermine our essential liberty.

Do you really think New Labour's slide in popularity is entirely down to the anti-terrorism laws it tried to pass?

Didn't think so.

[Daggers]

"Guys, look at us. Fighting, bickering, we never used to be like this!"

[Daggers]

"Yes we did!"

[Steven]

Let us all remember the 10,000 that will die from particulants in the air this year. What is the bigger menace? <_<

[Dr The Singh]

Let us all remember the 10,000 that will die from particulants in the air this year. What is the bigger menace? <_<

It's all relative, humans die by various means, ie drink driving, drug overdose etc, but that's freedom of chioce I suppose. But terrorist, impose on our very basic way of life - freedom, which is probably the worst type of fear and death. Saying that, our capatilist governance doesn't really give us too much freedom either.

IMO, the whole thing is nuts, unlike the palestinians, Kashmiri's and lesser extent the sikhs, which are fighting for there right to exists as a particular group of people against opressing governments\nations which want to control land\money etc. These modern day terrorist fight for religious supremacy, and want to impose there religious rights on others. Believe me, these guys were well at it long before Iraq war, and even if Iraq war didn't happen these guys would be stirring up there Jihad. For example, I remember when I was at UNI, a Islamic group called HUT, was given anti west, pro islamic speeches at the Uni.

All the war has done has accelerated and gave these fundmentals alot of fuel to use and has been a catalyst to pray on the weak and convert them onto there ideals!!

[macbeth]

It's all relative, humans die by various means, ie drink driving, drug overdose etc, but that's freedom of chioce I suppose. But terrorist, impose on our very basic way of life - freedom, which is probably the worst type of fear and death. Saying that, our capatilist governance doesn't really give us too much freedom either.

IMO, the whole thing is nuts, unlike the palestinians, Kashmiri's and lesser extent the sikhs, which are fighting for there right to exists as a particular group of people against opressing governments\nations which want to control land\money etc. These modern day terrorist fight for religious supremacy, and want to impose there religious rights on others. Believe me, these guys were well at it long before Iraq war, and even if Iraq war didn't happen these guys would be stirring up there Jihad. For example, I remember when I was at UNI, a Islamic group called HUT, was given anti west, pro islamic speeches at the Uni.

All the war has done has accelerated and gave these fundmentals alot of fuel to use and has been a catalyst to pray on the weak and convert them onto there ideals!!

well said; some of us are going to have to get used to losing a small amount of liberty if we are to ensure attrocities by extremist groups are kept to a minimum;

if for some reason the authories were to suspect me of planning wholesale slaughter of innocents then i would be quite willing to lose liberty for a period until proved otherwise

some people moan if they are searched at airports ; going on about civil liberties.. fascist state blahh blah!!

[breadandcheese]

It's apt.

If anything, it's an insult to terrorist organisations who are generally responsible for far less bloodshed than the UK government.

It is the UK government who is trying to undermine our way of life - especially liberty and rule of law - by spreading terror. If we do not give them unlimited powers to do whatever they want, they tell us, then we will be blown up.

Fυck that.

We shouldn't pander to these terrorists. We shouldn't give away our way of life, our love of freedom and of justice, just because these thugs threatened us. We should fight to preserve what it is that makes England great.

I agree, we shouldn't pander to terrorists, nor should we allow the hospitality of this country to be exploited by those who consider themselves soldiers fighting a holy war against us.

This country, throughout the 1980s and 1990s did have a policy of pandering to Islamist terrorists. The policy of we'll let you live free, despite your crimes against other peoples, as long as you don't harm us.

Our friends/neighbours were frequently complaining at our "harbouring" of terrorists in the UK. This was why London was dubbed "Londonistan", because we allowed preachers and known Islamist terrorists to preach their hatred, raise funds, spread their doctrine across campuses and mosques and promote the jihadist movement.

It is no surprise this policy has now come back to bite us on the a**e. We allowed them to live free, almost empowered them to take the responsibility that comes with that freedom, and they only became emboldened.

Terrorist organisations may be responsible for far less bloodshed than the UK government, but that is to completely disregard and ignore motive. Whatever way you judge it, however little you think of this current government (and believe me I think they are shocking), it has never been their intention, nor that of the military, to harm innocent civilians. This is not the case with the Islamist terrorists, who if they had the means, would cause more bloodshed than the UK government.

[breadandcheese]

It's all relative, humans die by various means, ie drink driving, drug overdose etc, but that's freedom of chioce I suppose. But terrorist, impose on our very basic way of life - freedom, which is probably the worst type of fear and death. Saying that, our capatilist governance doesn't really give us too much freedom either.

IMO, the whole thing is nuts, unlike the palestinians, Kashmiri's and lesser extent the sikhs, which are fighting for there right to exists as a particular group of people against opressing governments\nations which want to control land\money etc. These modern day terrorist fight for religious supremacy, and want to impose there religious rights on others. Believe me, these guys were well at it long before Iraq war, and even if Iraq war didn't happen these guys would be stirring up there Jihad. For example, I remember when I was at UNI, a Islamic group called HUT, was given anti west, pro islamic speeches at the Uni.

All the war has done has accelerated and gave these fundmentals alot of fuel to use and has been a catalyst to pray on the weak and convert them onto there ideals!!

Not sure I agree entirely with that statement. Whilst their causes have a degree of legitimacy, the method some of these groups use and their approach to solving their political problems has very little justification in my eyes.

[Thracian]

Let us all remember the 10,000 that will die from particulants in the air this year. What is the bigger menace? <_<

Either, at least potentially!.

[Steven]

I love the way in which people can decide that a form of death is somehow more heinous than another. People that die due to particulants in the air do so at the hand of third parties in exactly the same way as those die because of terrorists but in far greater numbers.

Let us all be crystal clear that "terrorism" is the new Communism, Trade Union, Hippy, IRA, Drugs, Skinheads, Inflation thing with which to scare the people of the UK and those that are doing the scaring are doing so for their own reasons. I do not want to sacrifice my liberties in order for lame brain Politicians to scare people into voting for them. <_<

[macbeth]

I love the way in which people can decide that a form of death is somehow more heinous than another. People that die due to particulants in the air do so at the hand of third parties in exactly the same way as those die because of terrorists but in far greater numbers.

Let us all be crystal clear that "terrorism" is the new Communism, Trade Union, Hippy, IRA, Drugs, Skinheads, Inflation thing with which to scare the people of the UK and those that are doing the scaring are doing so for their own reasons. I do not want to sacrifice my liberties in order for lame brain Politicians to scare people into voting for them. <_<

subject youself to my religious indoctrination; or the atmosphere gets it

[Fez of Mahrez]

I'll take some terrorism insurance please.

[Dr The Singh]

Not sure I agree entirely with that statement. Whilst their causes have a degree of legitimacy, the method some of these groups use and their approach to solving their political problems has very little justification in my eyes.

I should be abit more clear, fighting as in fighting for there rights to exist and defend themselves, not the type of fighting which includes suicide bombings etc!!

[breadandcheese]

I should be abit more clear, fighting as in fighting for there rights to exist and defend themselves, not the type of fighting which includes suicide bombings etc!!

Oh yeah. Fair play on that.

[breadandcheese]

I love the way in which people can decide that a form of death is somehow more heinous than another. People that die due to particulants in the air do so at the hand of third parties in exactly the same way as those die because of terrorists but in far greater numbers.

Let us all be crystal clear that "terrorism" is the new Communism, Trade Union, Hippy, IRA, Drugs, Skinheads, Inflation thing with which to scare the people of the UK and those that are doing the scaring are doing so for their own reasons. I do not want to sacrifice my liberties in order for lame brain Politicians to scare people into voting for them. <_<

Am I missing something? You warn us effectively to be careful of groups with agendas who push ideas we should be fearful of, communism, terrorism, etc. Before that, you warn us to be scared of pollutants as they kill in far greater numbers.

Who are these pollutants and why don't we get them? Nothing a good invasion can't solve.

Seriously, it does smack of pot kettle black.

[Ultra]

I agree, we shouldn't pander to terrorists, nor should we allow the hospitality of this country to be exploited by those who consider themselves soldiers fighting a holy war against us.

This country, throughout the 1980s and 1990s did have a policy of pandering to Islamist terrorists.

What evidence do you have to back up this statement?

Racist scaremongering of this type is not helpful.

[Daggers]

well said; some of us are going to have to get used to losing a small amount of liberty if we are to ensure attrocities by extremist groups are kept to a minimum;

if for some reason the authories were to suspect me of planning wholesale slaughter of innocents then i would be quite willing to lose liberty for a period until proved otherwise

Are you advocating stricter laws and internment?

If recent history points to anything it is that it didn't work in NI. Come to that, detaining people on SUS was roundly hated too and only served to spark off inner city riots.

Rather than restrictions on the individual, I would propse a system of tracking the raw materials or restricting their supply to licenced users.

Me? I'm not keen to spend a couple of weeks inside or be shot at because I have a beard.

[Head Honcho]

What evidence do you have to back up this statement?

Racist scaremongering of this type is not helpful.

I'm not sure but I don't think he was on about pandering to Islamic terrorists in the UK, more like in their own country.

This won't be the last and it certainly wasn't the first government to have supported terrorism at some point in it's tenure!

[macbeth]

Are you advocating stricter laws and internment?

If recent history points to anything it is that it didn't work in NI. Come to that, detaining people on SUS was roundly hated too and only served to spark off inner city riots.

Rather than restrictions on the individual, I would propse a system of tracking the raw materials or restricting their supply to licenced users.

Me? I'm not keen to spend a couple of weeks inside or be shot at because I have a beard.

yes i'd like stricter laws at the moment; i know its not "right on" to say but freedom to me is somehow a cross between a priveledge and a right and its a delicate balancing act to get right ; and its in a constant state of flux

we are in a situation where the relatively minor discomfort of days /weeks interned; far outweighs the very real threat of more atrocities; and yes in utopia i would love everyone to have unlimited freedom but ......hey ho

i agree with your suggestions but i dont believe this war can be won on one front ; it has to have many , including vigilance from us.

i think your impliance that anyone with a beard is being randomly selected for summary justice is unfair ;

the security service men and women i'm sure are doing a great job for us but they are only human and will make mistakes ; but as an analogy i always think:

" blame the firestarter not the overstretched fireman if someone gets burned"

[Dr The Singh]

yes i'd like stricter laws at the moment; i know its not "right on" to say but freedom to me is somehow a cross between a priveledge and a right and its a delicate balancing act to get right ; and its in a constant state of flux

we are in a situation where the relatively minor discomfort of days /weeks interned; far outweighs the very real threat of more atrocities; and yes in utopia i would love everyone to have unlimited freedom but ......hey ho

i agree with your suggestions but i dont believe this war can be won on one front ; it has to have many , including vigilance from us.

i think your impliance that anyone with a beard is being randomly selected for summary justice is unfair ;

the security service men and women i'm sure are doing a great job for us but they are only human and will make mistakes ; but as an analogy i always think:

" blame the firestarter not the overstretched fireman if someone gets burned"

Macbeth i'm with you with this one, IMO, we are fighting an enemy that complies with no rules, no morals, and who's aim is either assimilation or destruction. This enemy will live amongst us, hide like a virus and then come out to inflict misery. There is no way of defeating the enemy as such, all we can do is limits it's effects.

The war will long continue after the Iraq war, Isreal - Palestine War etc, the Jihad is to Islamise the world and as some groups have said, a Muslim president at the White House!!!

[breadandcheese]

What evidence do you have to back up this statement?

Racist scaremongering of this type is not helpful.

By all means ask a question of evidence to back something up, but to throw in accusations of racism is a little off. I abhor racism in all its guises. You have effectively labelled me a racist, based on absolutely f-all. That shows you to be a shmuck.

Here is an article from the Guardian. It provides a little background on how terrorists were allowed to settle and flourish in our country during the 1980s and 1990s by MI5 & MI6, even though other nations such as the French wanted to question and extradite them. We pandered to them, in the hope they would become a source of intelligence, however, this proved not to be case, particularly when shown by the massive recent failings of our intelligence services. The article below, not from what you would call a rabid right-wing paper.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/s...1530303,00.html

So, everything written in my previous post was not racist scaremongering at all. Indeed, it is a shame to many muslims that we have allowed such firebrands into our country, however, we are not talking about muslims, we are talking about Islamist terrorists. A marked difference.

Now, stop being a fool and throwing accusations of scaremongering or racism. Idiot.