Daggers Posted 20 June 2006 Posted 20 June 2006 Does anyone think "they" will actually arrest some real terrorists? And if not, could some terrorists please kill HRH soonish?
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Does anyone think "they" will actually arrest some real terrorists? And if not, could some terrorists please kill HRH soonish? Currently there is about a 1 to 100 arrest to conviction rate for "terrorist" arrests.
Deathside Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I feel sick this morning - Why? The whole fúckin medi / police obsession with terrorists - Compounded with the vile patriotic / zenophobic wave that comes with england games - not to mention the underlying spin being peddled by scum like the bnp Last night I witnessed girl that I've known for couple of years and who has become a good drinking partner at work events (should that say AFTER work events) launch into the most horrific racial tiride I've heard in a long while - I won't even try to explain in detail but suffice to say any person with a beard is clearly linked with Al Quida etc etc etc I gotta work with this girl today - I don't want to be in the same building let alone the same room as her - I can not believe that someone who has been allowed to get close to me could harbour such views / beliefs This is a big big part of why I hte this country PS: The A key on my notebook has become intermitnt
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I feel sick this morning - Why? The whole fúckin medi / police obsession with terrorists - Compounded with the vile patriotic / zenophobic wave that comes with england games - not to mention the underlying spin being peddled by scum like the bnp Last night I witnessed girl that I've known for couple of years and who has become a good drinking partner at work events (should that say AFTER work events) launch into the most horrific racial tiride I've heard in a long while - I won't even try to explain in detail but suffice to say any person with a beard is clearly linked with Al Quida etc etc etc I gotta work with this girl today - I don't want to be in the same building let alone the same room as her - I can not believe that someone who has been allowed to get close to me could harbour such views / beliefs This is a big big part of why I hte this country PS: The A key on my notebook has become intermitnt Amen to that. In Britain however there is the notion of governing by fear. In my time it has been hippies, trade unions, the IRA, The Common Market, Football Hooligans, Skinheads, Paedos, Muslims and who is next I wonder. <_<
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I feel sick this morning - Why? The whole fúckin medi / police obsession with terrorists - Compounded with the vile patriotic / zenophobic wave that comes with england games - not to mention the underlying spin being peddled by scum like the bnp Last night I witnessed girl that I've known for couple of years and who has become a good drinking partner at work events (should that say AFTER work events) launch into the most horrific racial tiride I've heard in a long while - I won't even try to explain in detail but suffice to say any person with a beard is clearly linked with Al Quida etc etc etc I gotta work with this girl today - I don't want to be in the same building let alone the same room as her - I can not believe that someone who has been allowed to get close to me could harbour such views / beliefs This is a big big part of why I hte this country PS: The A key on my notebook has become intermitnt know how you feel; but try to take it in the context of how she may feel ; utterly helpless and perhaps at times terrified at every seemingly innocent everyday occurances sometimes you just want to rant and rave just to vent your spleen and for a short while this may have made her feel better and she probably regrets it this morning regretfully sometimes i know how she feels also in this respect the terrrorists have already won
Thracian Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Amen to that. In Britain however there is the notion of governing by fear. In my time it has been hippies, trade unions, the IRA, The Common Market, Football Hooligans, Skinheads, Paedos, Muslims and who is next I wonder. <_< Car drivers...state enemy number one!.
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 know how you feel; but try to take it in the context of how she may feel ; utterly helpless and perhaps at times terrified at every seemingly innocent everyday occurances sometimes you just want to rant and rave just to vent your spleen and for a short while this may have made her feel better and she probably regrets it this morning regretfully sometimes i know how she feels also in this respect the terrrorists have already won Only because the media, Government, Police and so called Security Services have bullied us into this situation and you have to remember that they all have a vested interest in having "terrorists". As I have said elsewhere on this board, there will be about 10,000 deaths in the UK in the past year due to particulants in the air. There have been 55 or so deaths due to terrorism in the same time period. Which is the bigger menace? <_<
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Only because the media, Government, Police and so called Security Services have bullied us into this situation and you have to remember that they all have a vested interest in having "terrorists". As I have said elsewhere on this board, there will be about 10,000 deaths in the UK in the past year due to particulants in the air. There have been 55 or so deaths due to terrorism in the same time period. Which is the bigger menace? <_< quoting those statistics won't allay any fears ; yes they may be correct and i don't dispute them but not having read your previous posts on the matter saying that our agencies have a vested interest in terrorism is akin to saying firemen have a vested interest in making sure there are enough fires people within these organisation have families /loved ones etc who are just at much at risk as the rest of us
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 quoting those statistics won't allay any fears ; yes they may be correct and i don't dispute them but not having read your previous posts on the matter saying that our agencies have a vested interest in terrorism is akin to saying firemen have a vested interest in making sure there are enough fires people within these organisation have families /loved ones etc who are just at much at risk as the rest of us Close but not quite as Firemen do not get powers (to interrogate, search people and property, use for political ends) assigned to them on the basis of a "perceived threat". <_<
Head Honcho Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I feel sick this morning - Why? The whole fúckin medi / police obsession with terrorists - Compounded with the vile patriotic / zenophobic wave that comes with england games - not to mention the underlying spin being peddled by scum like the bnp Last night I witnessed girl that I've known for couple of years and who has become a good drinking partner at work events (should that say AFTER work events) launch into the most horrific racial tiride I've heard in a long while - I won't even try to explain in detail but suffice to say any person with a beard is clearly linked with Al Quida etc etc etc I gotta work with this girl today - I don't want to be in the same building let alone the same room as her - I can not believe that someone who has been allowed to get close to me could harbour such views / beliefs This is a big big part of why I hte this country PS: The A key on my notebook has become intermitnt Why isn't this girl allowed to say what she think's without being vilified?
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Why isn't this girl allowed to say what she think's without being vilified? i suspect that what she said was out of fear /anger/ frustration at the evils commited; and i agree with you it is not easy to be dispassionate about such things we seem to live in an age of hyper political correctness, and one that makes a young womans ( probably late night drink fueled ) rant more upsetting to some than the causes of such angst i too despair at the attitudes of some who can't allow at some point a few moments of unrestrained anger among friends and i would hope her friends could see it as just that....... " a moment of blind rage"
Head Honcho Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 i suspect that what she said was out of fear /anger/ frustration at the evils commited; and i agree with you it is not easy to be dispassionate about such things we seem to live in an age of hyper political correctness, and one that makes a young womans ( probably late night drink fueled ) rant more upsetting to some than the causes of such angst i too despair at the attitudes of some who can't allow at some point a few moments of unrestrained anger among friends and i would hope her friends could see it as just that....... " a moment of blind rage" Good post. I think it was Voltaire who said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."
breadandcheese Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Amen to that. In Britain however there is the notion of governing by fear. In my time it has been hippies, trade unions, the IRA, The Common Market, Football Hooligans, Skinheads, Paedos, Muslims and who is next I wonder. <_< Only because the media, Government, Police and so called Security Services have bullied us into this situation and you have to remember that they all have a vested interest in having "terrorists". As I have said elsewhere on this board, there will be about 10,000 deaths in the UK in the past year due to particulants in the air. There have been 55 or so deaths due to terrorism in the same time period. Which is the bigger menace? <_< I think you've answered your earlier question there Steven with your second post. Climate Change is the next big fear factor, with any potentially seeming extravagant individual or corporation, who perhaps does not conform to an environmentalist agenda, being portrayed as evil. Incidentally, can someone explain to me the whole fear of hippies in the 60s. To me that is just funny. Watch out, long-haired, smelly, layabout, daisy-chain wearing, non-violent people. A frightening prospect indeed.
Thracian Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Why isn't this girl allowed to say what she think's without being vilified? On the one hand many, many ways are used to ensure most people only say and think out loud what is politically and socially acceptable. On the other hand she's had her say - in hostile and vitriolic terms by account - and can hardly complain if others speak as strongly to the contrary. We've not been privy to much of the conversation but it must be awful to be a happy, moderate, decent minded Asian who feels suddenly that every white person is looking at him with distrust. I am reminded of it almost daily when I play golf because many of my playing partners are from Asian or ethnically different backgrounds and I invariably find them thoroughly pleasant company.
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I think you've answered your earlier question there Steven with your second post. Climate Change is the next big fear factor, with any potentially seeming extravagant individual or corporation, who perhaps does not conform to an environmentalist agenda, being portrayed as evil. Incidentally, can someone explain to me the whole fear of hippies in the 60s. To me that is just funny. Watch out, long-haired, smelly, layabout, daisy-chain wearing, non-violent people. A frightening prospect indeed. i don't think it was a fear "of" the hippies as figures of terror; but a fear of a whole generation being turned into mind numb automatons by some unknown and unexplained darker figures working under cover classic conspiracy theory; but at the time it was taken seiously by many; who referred to the chinese opium wars as evidence
Daggers Posted 21 June 2006 Author Posted 21 June 2006 Car drivers...state enemy number one!. you left out 'dangerous dogs'
Daggers Posted 21 June 2006 Author Posted 21 June 2006 Watch out, long-haired, smelly, layabout, daisy-chain wearing, non-violent people. A frightening prospect indeed. No one mentioned the dangers posed by bearded civil servants either - bloody tree-hugging, skoda driving, Grauniad reading, socks and sandal wearing, liberal voting, Ecover buying bastadrs!
hairy Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Currently there is about a 1 to 100 arrest to conviction rate for "terrorist" arrests. The government was able to change our basic civil rights laws following the London bombings. We can now be detained without evidence for days. They have passed a law that is so flawed, in terms of human rights, we can no longer express our political views without fear of repercussions. I dont know if you remember the old bloke who was thrown out of the Labour Conference for heckling Blair. Well they arrested him under the anti terrorist act! They had to let the old sod go when the media picked up on our new freedom of speech laws but he was no more a terrorist than Blair himself. All we are doing is driving a greater wedge between sections off our population and as a result cultivating extreemism.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Amen to that. In Britain however there is the notion of governing by fear. In my time it has been hippies, trade unions, the IRA, The Common Market, Football Hooligans, Skinheads, Paedos, Muslims and who is next I wonder. <_< I say we reverse the trend by encouraging everyone to become what the government hates! We all need to become bald bearded trade union official hippies with IRA membership who trade and watch football! YEAH! I can just see it now... like that scene in V for Vendetta, except they're all hippies
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 The government was able to change our basic civil rights laws following the London bombings. We can now be detained without evidence for days. They have passed a law that is so flawed, in terms of human rights, we can no longer express our political views without fear of repercussions. I dont know if you remember the old bloke who was thrown out of the Labour Conference for heckling Blair. Well they arrested him under the anti terrorist act! They had to let the old sod go when the media picked up on our new freedom of speech laws but he was no more a terrorist than Blair himself. All we are doing is driving a greater wedge between sections off our population and as a result cultivating extreemism. Amen to all of this. <_<
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 i think the gov is in the uneviable position of being damned if the do and damned if they don't
Steven Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 i think the gov is in the uneviable position of being damned if the do and damned if they don't Maybe you are right but thay have been in power for 9 years so I have little sympathy for a situation they have allowed themselves to get in.
macbeth Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 Maybe you are right but thay have been in power for 9 years so I have little sympathy for a situation they have allowed themselves to get in. terrorism and how to combat it have been around a lot longer than 9 years; its not sympathy for the gov i want; its sympathy for the victims or anyone affected enough by the threat (real or imagined) of terror; anyone voicing any concern as to national security seems to be vilified as racist;
Bloomer Posted 21 June 2006 Posted 21 June 2006 I say we reverse the trend by encouraging everyone to become what the government hates! We all need to become bald bearded trade union official hippies with IRA membership who trade and watch football! YEAH! I can just see it now... like that scene in V for Vendetta, except they're all hippies To the still staid and stiff upper lip establishment in the 1960's hippies were a threat to the status quo, the bastards thought for themselves, had an opinion, and disobeyed the rules. They shagged anything that moved in the spirit of free love and dressed/wore their hair so that gender was unclear. This was fecking anarchy and it stupified the unchanging middle and upper classes of the time. It wasnt all love and peace, the anti Vietnam riots outside the American embassy were viscious, with similar clashes in the US. I loved it.
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