Dr The Singh Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 What are the words I am searching for.. Namby pamby head in the sand liberal nanny state PC gone wrong
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I'm old enough to remember when we didn't have any terror alerts. Or security cameras on every major road and public building. That Green and Pleasant Land song seemed appropriate then. Misnomer. Has the amount of Crime gone up or down since the first cameras (1984). Do we really feel safer.
golden gordon Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I'm old enough to remember when we didn't have any terror alerts. Or security cameras on every major road and public building. That Green and Pleasant Land song seemed appropriate then. thats a line from jerusalem isn't it? and the intention of the song was to build a "jerusalem" in england it seems as though we may have succeeded cracking idea never been any trouble there as far as i know
Guest Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I haven't heard from B.Areth since he had to check in for his flight back to Brum from Belfast. He should have landed about 2 hours ago.
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 What are the words I am searching for.. Namby pamby head in the sand liberal nanny state PC gone wrong When I read statements like that I wonder what was the point of various members of my family fighting in WW2. Perhaps we should have let Adolf take over, it might all be so much more simple.
Janx Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I haven't heard from B.Areth since he had to check in for his flight back to Brum from Belfast. He should have landed about 2 hours ago. hell be reading his summer bumper edition of Razzle drinking Skinny lah tays in the waiting room luv!
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 So I'll take it that you feel it's ok then for people like the Stephen Lawrence murderers, Abu Hamza and the Afghan plane hijackers (just 3 examples) to walk free because some clever legal eagle knows how to line his pocket at the expense of justice and taxpayers money? Actually, Abu Hamza was convicted. He is now appealing because he feels that his case was prejudiced by negative media coverage. Sadly he may well be right...
breadandcheese Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 None of that is factually correct, only the Police said this to cover up their mistake. Sorry it saved lives didn't it. Steven, I agree with you re: Charles de Meneses. There was a cover-up, mistakes were made. However, your jumping down the police over anti-terror operations is appalling and a refusal to wake up to the new legal realities. At what point can you arrest somebody and charge them with a crime? If somebody commits a crime, then fine, but let's be honest, we can't really afford to wait for another atrocity to happen before arresting a terrorist afterwards. Of course, if the terrorist is looking to make himself a martyr with a bombvest on him, when can you arrest him if he wants to die? Something along the lines of, "Excuse me sir, can I take you down to the station for a little chat on your recent...BOOM" So then it comes back to shoot-to-kill policy. So the only answer is to arrest somebody in the preparation stages, which of course makes it much harder to prove. Especially to get evidence as at this stage, it is much easier to hide bits and pieces. With the speed of communications, there is very little way you can quietly arrest somebody. Consequently, it is no surprise when some operations cannot attain enough burden of proof for the original suspicion. With all groups being loosely associated, you can never be sure you have all terrorists, so in this case, intelligence has led to the arrests of a number of individuals, with precautions taken in case there are people the authorities don't know about. Whether it's politicians playing politics, quite frankly, I don't care as long as it works to keep us safe.
Janx Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 When I read statements like that I wonder what was the point of various members of my family fighting in WW2. Perhaps we should have let Adolf take over, it might all be so much more simple. Oh it was your family was it... sorry I forgot ... my Grandad liead about his time in the POW camp then? Smartass!
l444ry Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 About half the number killed in that year after 'Police contact'. Scraping the bottom of the barrel is raiding people's houses and shooting people for no real effect. When I was saying that you were scraping the barrell in defending your argument that "To add fuel to the fire, (the Police are) more dangerous that terrorists?" I was referring to your use of the "source" below. QUOTE Independent Police Complaints Commission statistics recorded 106 deaths related to police "contact" from April 2004 to March 2005 - 44 in road accidents; 36 during or following police custody; 23 involving other police contact; and three shootings. To compare these one years figures with one action by a terrorist is straight out the George Galloway school of debate. And to compare the death of some criminal or joyrider escaping the scene is hardly the same as the massacre of innocent people going about their daily business.
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 Aha, but they did allege that one of them had a huge stash of kiddy porn in order to deflect any criticism from their crap raid. A story that hasn't been backed up with a) evidence b) an court appearance c) a conviction It went to court last week and was adjourned. I'd be VERY surprised if it resulted in a conviction, though...
Guest Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 hell be reading his summer bumper edition of Razzle drinking Skinny lah tays in the waiting room luv! He would read Razzle. Literally. Assuming it does have words in it. It does have words in it, doesn't it?
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I'm sure they wouldn't seeing as they are biased as fock. they for instance wouldn't take the view that if you jump over a underground turnstyle without paying while London is on high alert following several attempts at bombing the city. Your not the brightest spark in the draw. Except JCDM didn't. That was just a police lie.
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 Steven, I agree with you re: Charles de Meneses. There was a cover-up, mistakes were made. However, your jumping down the police over anti-terror operations is appalling and a refusal to wake up to the new legal realities. At what point can you arrest somebody and charge them with a crime? If somebody commits a crime, then fine, but let's be honest, we can't really afford to wait for another atrocity to happen before arresting a terrorist afterwards. Whether it's politicians playing politics, quite frankly, I don't care as long as it works to keep us safe. I am all for the prevention of Crime, that is the way forward. However as I suspect that this will be another botched Police operation, the precedents are not good, all that is effectively happening is that the overall counter terrorist effort is being undermined. Whether it's politicians playing politics, quite frankly, I don't care as long as it works to keep us safe. I do not believe they care about whether we are safe or not but rather are happy to be seen exercising power. <_<
l444ry Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 Actually, Abu Hamza was convicted. He is now appealing because he feels that his case was prejudiced by negative media coverage. Sadly he may well be right... You having a laugh Ultra? How long did it take to expel that poisonous excuse for a human being? Let's take him back then so that he can get back on all those Benefits he was claiming....
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 When I read statements like that I wonder what was the point of various members of my family fighting in WW2. Perhaps we should have let Adolf take over, it might all be so much more simple. I'm sure the Sun, Mail and other rags would have looked to cut a deal with him...
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 You having a laugh Ultra? How long did it take to expel that poisonous excuse for a human being? Let's take him back then so that he can get back on all those Benefits he was claiming.... He's not expelled. He's still in Belmarsh while his appeal is being heard. Though he's not a nice piece of work by any means, it's not his fault if racist tabloids choose to ignore the rules regarding contempt of court.
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I'm sure the Sun, Mail and other rags would have looked to cut a deal with him... ... and sadly a large section of UK society. Then of course the British Resistence would be branded as "Namby pamby head in the sand liberal nanny state PC gone wrong terrorists"
l444ry Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 He's not expelled. He's still in Belmarsh while his appeal is being heard. Though he's not a nice piece of work by any means, it's not his fault if racist tabloids choose to ignore the rules regarding contempt of court. Error acknowledged. I was mixing him up with that other troublemaker who tried to jump back on that ship.
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 Oh it was your family was it... sorry I forgot ... my Grandad liead about his time in the POW camp then? Smartass! ... and you would dishonour the very things he and others were fighting for, Freedom, Truth, Democracy, Fairness and Tolerance.
Ultra Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 I do not believe they care about whether we are safe or not but rather are happy to be seen exercising power. <_< Indeed. The timing of this security operation is also highly suspicious. Do the powers that be REALLY have evidence of a plot, or are they spinning a yarn to distract us from the various wars in the Middle East? I think the more enlightened sections of the population know the answer to that one..
Janx Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 ... and sadly a large section of UK society. Then of course the British Resistence would be branded as "Namby pamby head in the sand liberal nanny state PC gone wrong terrorists"
Janx Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 ... and you would dishonour the very things he and others were fighting for, Freedom, Truth, Democracy, Fairness and Tolerance. The most overused and abused word in todays society! It sickens me
Steven Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 The most overused and abused word in todays society! It sickens me It's ok I now have the measure of you.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 August 2006 Posted 10 August 2006 Indeed. The timing of this security operation is also highly suspicious. Do the powers that be REALLY have evidence of a plot, or are they spinning a yarn to distract us from the various wars in the Middle East? I think the more enlightened sections of the population know the answer to that one.. Indeed it maybe the case but we have no proof to prove it, but let's not dampen the effect of what terrorist are capable of in this country. I would not try and put politcal spin infront of protecting the lives of innocent people against those that evil.
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