davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 This ANON persons not too keen on the COG. A bit disengenuous to say the least, He has only scored two goals for the first team, one of them coming in the League cup against lower opposition. He's only made to starts!!!!!! Source I can’t understand why some fans are so positive about Chris O’Grady, for me he is an average player at best. He has only scored two goals for the first team, one of them coming in the League cup against lower opposition. He seems to lack pace and the only thing he offers up front is that he can hold the ball up long enough to be surround by 3 or 4 of the opposition. It baffles me how somebody like O’Grady will get cheered by some City fans and yet Marc De Vries used to get booed. I'm not suggesting that MDV is a world class player, but he is certainly as good if not better then O’Grady. O’Grady seems to be another example of Leicester fans supporting a player due to no other fact then he was a member of the youth set up and has progressed through the ranks. If you listen to rumours from within the club you will believe that O’Grady recently received an internal ban, meaning that he was left out of the squad for four games. This shows that he is starting to believe he is a bigger star then he actually is. Unfortunately I consider O’Grady to be punching above his weight and the sooner Rob Kelly partners Matty Fryatt and Ian Hume back together, the better. Anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Sounds like Thracian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Sounds like Thracian. Thracian loves the OGmonster though. Must be some goon who's had his girlfriend nicked off him by big Chris or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Sounds like Thracian. Couldn't possibly be Thracian, he enjoys the kids being in the team, and actually speaks quite highly about them most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 This ANON persons not too keen on the COG. A bit disengenuous to say the least, He's only made to starts!!!!!! Source I can’t understand why some fans are so positive about Chris O’Grady, for me he is an average player at best. He has only scored two goals for the first team, one of them coming in the League cup against lower opposition. He seems to lack pace and the only thing he offers up front is that he can hold the ball up long enough to be surround by 3 or 4 of the opposition. It baffles me how somebody like O’Grady will get cheered by some City fans and yet Marc De Vries used to get booed. I'm not suggesting that MDV is a world class player, but he is certainly as good if not better then O’Grady. O’Grady seems to be another example of Leicester fans supporting a player due to no other fact then he was a member of the youth set up and has progressed through the ranks. If you listen to rumours from within the club you will believe that O’Grady recently received an internal ban, meaning that he was left out of the squad for four games. This shows that he is starting to believe he is a bigger star then he actually is. Unfortunately I consider O’Grady to be punching above his weight and the sooner Rob Kelly partners Matty Fryatt and Ian Hume back together, the better. Anon. He wasn't left out for four games. And he has very rarely been asked to play as a striker so it would be nice for the facts to be considered alongside the opinion. Fryatt and Hume are very similar in many ways and I said in the close season that they'd struggle to score as freely this season a) because the opposition will be aware of them and b) because of insufficient attacking support which has now being corrected to some extent. I even had a bet about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Disingenuous maybe, but not all poppycock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Sounds like Thracian. I can assure you it isn't. Sounds more like Barton Fox to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 The guys entitled to his opinion, i'm surprised 'vital football' have published such a unrealistic opinion on there website!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 Sounds like Thracian. It sounds absolutely nothing like Thracian to me. This reflects the problem people have with Thracian on here, you should actually try reading what he say's, yes the can be a bit long but you might learn something, start here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 I still don't think he's all that. I get the sense that players like Low and O'Grady are being overrated simply because they are being compared to what came before (i.e. Maybury and Hammond). I will quite happily admit to being wrong in six months time if COG in particular has goals on the board and is playing well but he looks so average to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 It sounds absolutely nothing like Thracian to me. This reflects the problem people have with Thracian on here, you should actually try reading what he say's, yes the can be a bit long but you might learn something, start here. Alot of people are getting on this 'Thracian' bandwagon without justification or meaningful dialogue!!!! But i'm sure he's more of a match for most and doesn't require me sticking up for him!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 It sounds absolutely nothing like Thracian to me. This reflects the problem people have with Thracian on here, you should actually try reading what he say's, yes the can be a bit long but you might learn something, start here. I'm sure in another thread earlier today someone was bashing Thracian, and then about 4/5 people then all stated the same thing pretty much at the same time - Thracian makes very long posts and he can moan a bit, but he makes very good points quite often on mosts subjects he touches upon, you just have to read through his posts and understand them in order to pick them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 I still don't think he's all that. I get the sense that players like Low and O'Grady are being overrated simply because they are being compared to what came before (i.e. Maybury and Hammond). I will quite happily admit to being wrong in six months time if COG in particular has goals on the board and is playing well but he looks so average to me. AT the moment all of our strikers look average, none have actually 'fired' on all cylinders. COG offers something the other strikers don't, and that's strength and a physical presence!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 Where do people get the idea that we all like players just because they've come through the academy and we hate all players because they are ex-forest e.g Williams. I for one find this highly insulting and I resent it most strongly. I juudge players on merit, not where they come from. Did the fans all love Jordan Stewart, Did they all hate Gary Mills. No, No, No. Stop using it as a crutch to strengthen your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 Where do people get the idea that we all like players just because they've come through the academy and we hate all players because they are ex-forest e.g Williams. I for one find this highly insulting and I resent it most strongly. I juudge players on merit, not where they come from. Did the fans all love Jordan Stewart, Did they all hate Gary Mills. No, No, No. Stop using it as a crutch to strengthen your point of view. Who was that aimed at??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 probably people that share the opinion of the guy that wrote the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 I still don't think he's all that. I get the sense that players like Low and O'Grady are being overrated simply because they are being compared to what came before (i.e. Maybury and Hammond). I will quite happily admit to being wrong in six months time if COG in particular has goals on the board and is playing well but he looks so average to me. There's nothing wrong with that though is there, we are broke, if Low and O'Grady are an improvement that justifies them receiving praise not condemnation as not being good enough. Otherwise no player could be praised unless they were the best in the world in that position. Besides criticising a player who has made two starts as only having scored two goals shows a very limited justification of their opinion. Academy players by definition will get more leeway than a purchased established player because they are debutants and still learning. If they subsequently don't deliver as in Stef Oakes they'll get short shift from the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 Who was that aimed at??????? The writer of the article. O’Grady seems to be another example of Leicester fans supporting a player due to no other fact then he was a member of the youth set up and has progressed through the ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 There's nothing wrong with that though is there, we are broke, if Low and O'Grady are an improvement that justifies them receiving praise not condemnation as not being good enough. Otherwise no player could be praised unless they were the best in the world in that position. Besides criticising a player who has made two starts as only having scored two goals shows a very limited justification of their opinion. Academy players by definition will get more leeway than a purchased established player because they are debutants and still learning. If they subsequently don't deliver as in Stef Oakes they'll get short shift from the fans. It depends how you want to rate them. If you're rating Low and O'Grady in relative terms to Maybury and Hammond then yeah they're world beaters. But when I see O'Grady getting 8s from tons of people for his performance against Southend, it makes me wonder what we're going to expect from our team and be happy with. Is it just effort or do we expect a certain level of skill as well? Be it someone from our youth team or not, whenever I see O'Grady he reminds me of Trevor Benjamin. Yes, he offers us a different option in terms of his power and aggression but he needs to learn to play the ball rather than the man for a start. He has a long way to go to be up to the standard I expect of a Leicester City player. I don't want someone who's just good enough for a lower mid-table Championship club, I want to see a sign that he will be able to hack it in the Premiership, players like Fryatt and Kisnorbo. I would never criticise a player based on his goalscoring unless it was bad in the extreme a la Elvis Hammond. People who do that are often being too simplistic. I realise I'm fighting a tide here but all I can do is state my opinion based on what I've seen. I realise everyone loves COG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 The writer of the article. I thought as much!!! I didn't know whether it was aimed at anyone on the forum!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 It depends how you want to rate them. If you're rating Low and O'Grady in relative terms to Maybury and Hammond then yeah they're world beaters. But when I see O'Grady getting 8s from tons of people for his performance against Southend, it makes me wonder what we're going to expect from our team and be happy with. Is it just effort or do we expect a certain level of skill as well? Be it someone from our youth team or not, whenever I see O'Grady he reminds me of Trevor Benjamin. Yes, he offers us a different option in terms of his power and aggression but he needs to learn to play the ball rather than the man for a start. He has a long way to go to be up to the standard I expect of a Leicester City player. I don't want someone who's just good enough for a lower mid-table Championship club, I want to see a sign that he will be able to hack it in the Premiership, players like Fryatt and Kisnorbo. I would never criticise a player based on his goalscoring unless it was bad in the extreme a la Elvis Hammond. People who do that are often being too simplistic. I realise I'm fighting a tide here but all I can do is state my opinion based on what I've seen. I realise everyone loves COG. I understand your point Fezz, I for one was not overly impressed by anyone in the city team (vs Southend) but COG was the best of a mediocre bunch, for that I give him credit BUT like you I still expect better. I'm optimistic but I hope RK doesn't emply a defensive strategy every time we go a goal ahead and for the 90 minutes away from home!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 It sounds absolutely nothing like Thracian to me. Irony can be sometimes hard to detect. But since that writer's views were diametrically opposed to Thracian's, I thought there was a clue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 30 August 2006 Share Posted 30 August 2006 I can assure you it isn't. Sounds more like Barton Fox to me. Or Andy from Long Eaton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 It depends how you want to rate them. If you're rating Low and O'Grady in relative terms to Maybury and Hammond then yeah they're world beaters. But when I see O'Grady getting 8s from tons of people for his performance against Southend, it makes me wonder what we're going to expect from our team and be happy with. Is it just effort or do we expect a certain level of skill as well? Be it someone from our youth team or not, whenever I see O'Grady he reminds me of Trevor Benjamin. Yes, he offers us a different option in terms of his power and aggression but he needs to learn to play the ball rather than the man for a start. He has a long way to go to be up to the standard I expect of a Leicester City player. I don't want someone who's just good enough for a lower mid-table Championship club, I want to see a sign that he will be able to hack it in the Premiership, players like Fryatt and Kisnorbo. I would never criticise a player based on his goalscoring unless it was bad in the extreme a la Elvis Hammond. People who do that are often being too simplistic. I realise I'm fighting a tide here but all I can do is state my opinion based on what I've seen. I realise everyone loves COG. I respect your opinion completely because you do justify it, in fact I'm not sure I even disagree with you as we seem to be talking about issues that have a relative aspect to them. One thing I would disagree on is your comparison with Benjamin although if you just mean in terms of playing the ball and not the man then I probably do agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Share Posted 30 August 2006 Irony can be sometimes hard to detect. But since that writer's views were diametrically opposed to Thracian's, I thought there was a clue there. Woooooooosh, I think you got me there , however I do offer the excuse that there have been similar posts to yours where they were definitely not being ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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