Mack Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Everywhere I look, listen or read about the England team I am seeing journalists and pundits rip into the former England coach in quite a vicious manner. I'm not sure whether it's his current 13k a day pay off or his failure at the World cup, but I for one find the whole 'sven bashing' trend of late a little sad. Yesterday Lawrenson on commentary would'nt even give sven credit for giving Owen Hargreaves a full cap before Germany got their hands on him. For me sven's England flopped in the tournament finals enviroment, but his qualification record and his willingness to bring in the best English players without bias was something to be respected. I think we probably all remember former England managers and their 'little favourites' and I suppose you could say Beckham was Sven's, but in general he gave the best players a shot based on form and ability, regardless of bias. With the inclusion of Wallcott at the world Cup being his biggest mistake in this enthiusiam to bring through young English talent. I believe McClaren's England is an evolution of Sven's, and without Sven it would not be what it will be in the future. I think it's unfair to take the guy to pieces is quite such a public manner, which to me smacks of sour grapes and jealousy at his wage packet.
Babylon Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Everywhere I look, listen or read about the England team I am seeing journalists and pundits rip into the former England coach in quite a vicious manner. I'm not sure whether it's his current 13k a day pay off or his failure at the World cup, but I for one find the whole 'sven bashing' trend of late a little sad. Yesterday Lawrenson on commentary would'nt even give sven credit for giving Owen Hargreaves a full cap before Germany got their hands on him. For me sven's England flopped in the tournament finals enviroment, but his qualification record and his willingness to bring in the best English players without bias was something to be respected. I think we probably all remember former England managers and their 'little favourites' and I suppose you could say Beckham was Sven's, but in general he gave the best players a shot based on form and ability, regardless of bias. With the inclusion of Wallcott at the world Cup being his biggest mistake in this enthiusiam to bring through young English talent. I believe McClaren's England is an evolution of Sven's, and without Sven it would not be what it will be in the future. I think it's unfair to take the guy to pieces is quite such a public manner, which to me smacks of sour grapes and jealousy at his wage packet. Couldn't agree more. The guy has gone, people should just forget it.
golden gordon Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 i thought you meant he was getting drunk every night on his ill gotten gains
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I think the Swedish idiot did nothing that a flock of trained geese couldn't have done with more aplomb. If there's hammering afoot I'll be there with my lump because he deserves everything that's thrown at him. He didn't improve the style of play, the commitment or the potential - he squandered an excellent squad and then did the selection equivalent of showing his arse to us (Walcott). Damn him, damn him to hell.
Head Honcho Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Yeh to be fair even Craig Levein could have got this lot to beat Greece and Andorra! I'm reserving judgement on McClaren until he's been tested and put under pressure because let's be honest the only real decision he's made so far is picking the captain.
Stevosevic Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Sven was an absolute joke and an embarrassment to english football, he deserves some stick because i dont want him leaving thinking he did a good job.
Deathside Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 england fans are such a bunch of mardy arses
Babylon Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I think the Swedish idiot did nothing that a flock of trained geese couldn't have done with more aplomb. If there's hammering afoot I'll be there with my lump because he deserves everything that's thrown at him. He didn't improve the style of play, the commitment or the potential - he squandered an excellent squad and then did the selection equivalent of showing his arse to us (Walcott). Damn him, damn him to hell. Yeah because Keegan before him had been doing such a wonderful job... with the same players!! He came in and we managed to qualify from what looked an impossible position. He made mistakes, but what manager hasn't.
Thracian Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Everywhere I look, listen or read about the England team I am seeing journalists and pundits rip into the former England coach in quite a vicious manner. I'm not sure whether it's his current 13k a day pay off or his failure at the World cup, but I for one find the whole 'sven bashing' trend of late a little sad. Yesterday Lawrenson on commentary would'nt even give sven credit for giving Owen Hargreaves a full cap before Germany got their hands on him. For me sven's England flopped in the tournament finals enviroment, but his qualification record and his willingness to bring in the best English players without bias was something to be respected. I think we probably all remember former England managers and their 'little favourites' and I suppose you could say Beckham was Sven's, but in general he gave the best players a shot based on form and ability, regardless of bias. With the inclusion of Wallcott at the world Cup being his biggest mistake in this enthiusiam to bring through young English talent. I believe McClaren's England is an evolution of Sven's, and without Sven it would not be what it will be in the future. I think it's unfair to take the guy to pieces is quite such a public manner, which to me smacks of sour grapes and jealousy at his wage packet. Especially as so many of them sucked up to him while he was a part of their gravy train cos they didn't want to queer their pitch for quotes. It's not just a problem at international level. Lots of journos avoid being more than lightly critical of their club or its management because life can be made pretty uncomfortable for them as even the BBC might testify in relation to at least one Premiership manager. .
Cat Burger Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Deutschland macht gut in Turnieren mit einer weniger talentierten Mannschaft, kommt auf Deutschland!
MONreborn Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Apart from the last year, I was happy for sven to contine for even two or three more tournaments. Then the defeat in Denmark caused him to change his thinking, due to the press bashing. He plaed a stupid 4-5-1 and lost it completely IMO. Then we were back with a couple of decent performances against poland and anohter team i cannot remmember. Then we beat the Argies and it was all looking good again, But the NOTW then effectively ruined out world cup chances. After all Sven put up with from the press I feel his heart was not actually in the finals and he might have even picked the squad with spite.
Daggers Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Yeah because Keegan before him had been doing such a wonderful job... with the same players!! He came in and we managed to qualify from what looked an impossible position. He made mistakes, but what manager hasn't. What is his net worth to the English game then? Don't tell me what he isn't, tell me what he is...what did he bequeath us? Charting back, Bobby Robson and El Tel have been the only managers since Ramsey that have got the squad to believe they could win. They used tactics and substitutions to change the flow of games...SGE was abjectly hopeless at doing that, costing tournaments in the process. I do not say that SGE was Satan, he presided over the 5-1 victory after all. But that is all he did. He may have made mistakes, but he never learned from them. He made the same ones over and over and that is the mark of a very stupid person.
Mack Posted 3 September 2006 Author Posted 3 September 2006 I believe the first thing Sven did that was good was get rid of the old boys network that surrounded the England set up. He made all the players feel that if they played well enough they would make the squad, and maybe even the team. There were long periods prior to that when that was not the case. Remeber Hoddle saying Owen was not a natural goalscorer? Or the times that Chris Sutton and Matt Le Tissier were looked over for the incumbent's old mates? I also believe Sven showed us the way to qualify for these tournaments, in which his record is second to none. Quite why he could not get his team to perform in the finals is a mystery.
Suffolk_fox Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 Deutschland macht gut in Turnieren mit einer weniger talentierten Mannschaft, kommt auf Deutschland! I had one of them but the wheel fell off.
Deathside Posted 3 September 2006 Posted 3 September 2006 I had one of them but the wheel fell off. So did Notts County
Ultra Posted 5 September 2006 Posted 5 September 2006 What is his net worth to the English game then? Don't tell me what he isn't, tell me what he is...what did he bequeath us? Charting back, Bobby Robson and El Tel have been the only managers since Ramsey that have got the squad to believe they could win. They used tactics and substitutions to change the flow of games...SGE was abjectly hopeless at doing that, costing tournaments in the process. I do not say that SGE was Satan, he presided over the 5-1 victory after all. But that is all he did. He may have made mistakes, but he never learned from them. He made the same ones over and over and that is the mark of a very stupid person. Absolutely. The selections and tactics at the World Cup were a disgrace. At least half a dozen Premiership managers would have done far better with the resources at his didposal. The fact that we're STILL paying him 13K/week shows what fcukwits we have running the FA.
Finnegan Posted 6 September 2006 Posted 6 September 2006 england fans are such a bunch of mardy arses Don't be hard on yourself, boyo. You can't help it, you're a race of 'em.
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