City Fan Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 An Islamic youth organisation has condemned as "lunacy" police advice not to execute arrest warrants against Muslims at prayer times during Ramadan. Greater Manchester Police (GMP) asked detectives not to make planned arrests for reasons of religious sensitivity. But Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said: "It's stupid, lunacy, that police could even consider not arresting Muslims during Ramadan." GMP said its advice was a "request for sensitivity" and not a ban on arrests. 'Community tensions' The advice was e-mailed out to officers working in Moss Side, Hulme, Whalley Range, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Ardwick, Longsight, Gorton and Levenshulme. The e-mail stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants. Mr Shafiq said: "Greater Manchester Police have a history of policing the Muslim community with great sensitivity and understanding. That this idea was even thought of is shocking. "I don't know where they get these ideas from and I'm glad an officer was clearly angry enough to leak the memo. "Police shouldn't hesitate to arrest any Muslims they had planned to during Ramadan. We must all be equal under the law. "If people think Muslims are immune from the law, it will only stir up tensions within the community." A GMP statement said: "The month of Ramadan is an important time of the year for members of the Muslim community throughout the world. "It is important that normal, planned policing activities and operations are maintained, while ensuring that officers are professional and respectful to members of the community while going about their duties." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6074186.stm
Dr The Singh Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 An Islamic youth organisation has condemned as "lunacy" police advice not to execute arrest warrants against Muslims at prayer times during Ramadan. Greater Manchester Police (GMP) asked detectives not to make planned arrests for reasons of religious sensitivity. But Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said: "It's stupid, lunacy, that police could even consider not arresting Muslims during Ramadan." GMP said its advice was a "request for sensitivity" and not a ban on arrests. 'Community tensions' The advice was e-mailed out to officers working in Moss Side, Hulme, Whalley Range, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Ardwick, Longsight, Gorton and Levenshulme. The e-mail stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants. Mr Shafiq said: "Greater Manchester Police have a history of policing the Muslim community with great sensitivity and understanding. That this idea was even thought of is shocking. "I don't know where they get these ideas from and I'm glad an officer was clearly angry enough to leak the memo. "Police shouldn't hesitate to arrest any Muslims they had planned to during Ramadan. We must all be equal under the law. "If people think Muslims are immune from the law, it will only stir up tensions within the community." A GMP statement said: "The month of Ramadan is an important time of the year for members of the Muslim community throughout the world. "It is important that normal, planned policing activities and operations are maintained, while ensuring that officers are professional and respectful to members of the community while going about their duties." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6074186.stm How daft is that, what next, no arrest of christains during christmas????
lcfc_jme Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 Nah, it'll get as stupid as no arrests on anybody during any special time of year for the specific person, be it a birthday, a family member's birthday, a famil members marriage ceremony is the next day, a religious festival or the day of a Saint!! Absolutely ludicrous, I'd love to see the reaction of the police if a Sikh, Hindu or Christian said they couldn't be arrested 'cos it was an important religious time of year. (please note, I know that Muslims have not asked for this to happen and I am not trying to pin any of the blame for this crazy police policy on them)
Rincewind Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 Sounds like the story may be sensationlised a little. Is this the first time Muslims have held Ramadam in this country. I am sure if an offence was bad enough the police would still make the arrest.
cisono Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 Would the same benefits be extended to people who are fasting for health reasons?
Daggers Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 Dear Police, My religion is alcohol, so I do not wish to ever be arrested while drunk or in a pub. Yours sincerely, Disco Bob esq.
act smiley Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 I think it means "don't run into a mosque full of people praying to bust anyone, wait outside politely and hope they dont run out the back" which is almost understandable.
lookwhaticando Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 I think it means "don't run into a mosque full of people praying to bust anyone, wait outside politely and hope they dont run out the back" which is almost understandable. Yeah, right. You're putting Muslims on a different level by not performing policing duties just because the Muslim community is busy doing whatever it is they're doing during this period. Why should it only apply to Muslims - as The Singh said above, why should Christians be disturbed during Christmas or Easter? The police should see only one group of people - residents of the United Kingdom. Their job is to keep the peace amongst those residing in the United Kingdom at any given time. If that means nicking a few people during Christmas, Easter, Ramadan or any other given national or religios holidy, then so be it. This is just ridiculous, as was the episode with the Israeli embassy a few weeks ago.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 a) Who runs the country anyway? b) If Muslims don't commit crime the problem shouldn't arise. c) How does that person responsible for the directive equate his approach with the concept of fair policing?.
Rincewind Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 It seems what people are asking for here is the right for armed police to storm into places of religious worship shouting out 'This is a police raid, everybody get down on their knees.'
lookwhaticando Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 It seems what people are asking for here is the right for armed police to storm into places of religious worship shouting out 'This is a police raid, everybody get down on their knees.' If the police weren't allowed to raid a place of religious worship, what's to stop said places of worship just becoming immunity spots for criminals? HaHa - you can't nick me, I'm in the church, stupid coppers. As I said before, the state and religion are supposed to be seperate in this country. If the police (part of the state) start acting according to religious observance, then that contradicts the state/religious seperation. It'd quickly descend - if Muslims can't be nicked on Ramadan, why should Christians be nicked on Christmas or Easter? Guess who that kind of debate will benefit - the far right extreme parties that love to stir up sh/t like this. They'll see the protection of Muslims as more proof that their 'unwelcome newcomers' are taking over. As if the far-right don't have enough ammunition already.
Head Honcho Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 It seems what people are asking for here is the right for armed police to storm into places of religious worship shouting out 'This is a police raid, everybody get down on their knees.' I'd expect them to be already on their knee's
lookwhaticando Posted 22 October 2006 Posted 22 October 2006 I'd expect them to be already on their knee's :thumbsup:
davieG Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 Surely a "request for sensitivity" should be considered before every arrest of any kind?
Dr The Singh Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 Surely a "request for sensitivity" should be considered before every arrest of any kind? The british police are the best in the world, they already are far ahead of many western nations interms of respect, and sensitivity, especailly on religious circumstances!!! The further interference and medling from politicians or 'people from the top', will alienate and frustrate a force which already feels that it is being targetted, feels it's hands have already been tied and further complicates there job in dealing with such issues!!!
Daggers Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 The british police are the best in the world, they already are far ahead of many western nations... But the police in Greece now arrive at scene's of crime with a giant moussaka for everyone there, and the police in Russia arrive with vodka so that everyone can party. When oh when will our police get the message and start distributing gin & tonics or cake at incident scenes?!
Dr The Singh Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 But the police in Greece now arrive at scene's of crime with a giant moussaka for everyone there, and the police in Russia arrive with vodka so that everyone can party. When oh when will our police get the message and start distributing gin & tonics or cake at incident scenes?! Even better the punjab police, with a offering of a few rupees will forgive you for the crime and partake in sharing your booze, food, and will party with you!!! I agree police should arrive with crates of beer and burberry attire!!!!
Daggers Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 Even better the punjab police, with a offering of a few rupees will forgive you for the crime and partake in sharing your booze, food, and will party with you!!! I agree police should arrive with crates of beer and burberry attire!!!! I like the sound of the Punjab. I shall move there when I win the lottery. I wonder if they sell Fondant Fancies over there?
gatesheadfox Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 Nah, it'll get as stupid as no arrests on anybody during any special time of year for the specific person, be it a birthday, a family member's birthday, a famil members marriage ceremony is the next day, a religious festival or the day of a Saint!! the police charged into my house on my 16th birthday, in fairness to them they did wish me a happy birthday and said they "hoped this didn't ruin the rest of the day" what about those who dedicate their entire lives to their faith? are they immune from arrest?
Dr The Singh Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 I like the sound of the Punjab. I shall move there when I win the lottery. I wonder if they sell Fondant Fancies over there? I'm sure something can be arranged, if not i'm thinking this could be a great business opportunity. It's the place to be, DB, it's party capital of the world......i'm possibly going in Feb, so if you like, why don't you pop along aswell!!
Dr The Singh Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 the police charged into my house on my 16th birthday, in fairness to them they did wish me a happy birthday and said they "hoped this didn't ruin the rest of the day" what about those who dedicate their entire lives to their faith? are they immune from arrest? Gatesheadfox, you sure they didn't start taking there clothes, you know.....you sure they weren't hired as strippers.....anyhow i'm sure you had a great birhday!!!!!
Daggers Posted 23 October 2006 Posted 23 October 2006 the police charged into my house on my 16th birthday Man, they lurrrrrrrrrrrrve the cake!
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