Dr The Singh Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'd agree about commodities but on the whole I doubt your recommendations would be viable unless you have a large amount of capital. Transaction costs will lower your return, particularly with futures and other derivatives. Also fuel is one of the most volatile commodities and oil companies have some of the most volatile share prices. As you say though India and China are excellent opportunities. My dad has invested heavily in the punjab and has seen over 100% return in 10 years. India is till a gold mine, I suggest people get in quick!!
Daggers Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I keep my nest-egg under my mattress...but I think it has gone off.
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 The roll I'm on, I should get up there and put a wedge on!
Lord Nibblington Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Dunno. The Casi of no has been unkind to us the last 2 times we've been. However, seeing as the previous 5 times we've been we were at least £100 up, I can live with it!
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 My dad has invested heavily in the punjab and has seen over 100% return in 10 years. India is till a gold mine, I suggest people get in quick!! 100% in 10 years is lower than the average stock market return over that period. As for commodities - I personally don't see it as a long term growth strategy. The price of oil, for example or corn, coffee what have you are extremely volatile. Again, this is only really appropriate in a long term growth strategy, and you might be better off going for Unit trusts, OEICs etc which deal in commodities. Unless you know a hell of a lot about them.
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'm lost. If I gave you some money Monk, could you make it in to millions?
Geo V Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 My dad has invested heavily in the punjab and has seen over 100% return in 10 years. India is till a gold mine, I suggest people get in quick!! It certainly is! I dont know about property out there but a friend of mine has been taking his missus out there (actually I think to Goa) for the last few years for a winter holiday and he says they buy jewellery there and sell it when they get back that usually pays for the holiday! It sounds unreal to be able to buy retail jewellery and sell it over here for a profit as 2nd hand but the lucky buggers manage it somehow.
Lord Nibblington Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'm lost. If I gave you some money Monk, could you make it in to millions? I'll turn it into a million if you want.
Shum Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I've still not got a pension to be honest. I just think that money you put in there could be earning you more somewhere else. After all, what will I do with a £25,000 pension for example when I'm 65 (If I make it to 65!) - when the state pension will probably be enough to live on anyway (if it still exists then!) At the minute my money goes into ISA's and another Savings fund known as Jupiter - it's a medium risk fund and has had good returns so far. Also managed to get onto the property ladder and rent out a house. The best way to do this, if you can not pay a big deposit and get a Buy to Let, is too simpley get a residential mortgage, write to your lender a few weeks down the line stating you can't move in for whatever reason and you would like to rent it out. I paid £150 to mortgage lender, and they have allowed me to rent it out for 3 years.
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I'm lost. If I gave you some money Monk, could you make it in to millions? yes. Give me a million and I'll turn it into millions.... The only real life stock market investments I have done was at university where I managed something in the region of 40% returns over a 3 month period. Not bad!! Was mainly due to taking a rather large gamble on eurotunnel, which went from something like 10p to 20p due to takeover rumours... Based on that, if you give me £710,000 I will turn it into a million.
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 yes. Give me a million and I'll turn it into millions.... The only real life stock market investments I have done was at university where I managed something in the region of 40% returns over a 3 month period. Not bad!! Was mainly due to taking a rather large gamble on eurotunnel, which went from something like 10p to 20p due to takeover rumours... Based on that, if you give me £710,000 I will turn it into a million. Mate, I don't have £710. Let alone £710,000.
James. Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 100% in 10 years is lower than the average stock market return over that period. As for commodities - I personally don't see it as a long term growth strategy. The price of oil, for example or corn, coffee what have you are extremely volatile. Again, this is only really appropriate in a long term growth strategy, and you might be better off going for Unit trusts, OEICs etc which deal in commodities. Unless you know a hell of a lot about them. Which market though, over that period the FTSE has only returned about 30%...
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Mate, I don't have £710. Let alone £710,000. Do you have 71p? I'll turn it into a quid!
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Which market though, over that period the FTSE has only returned about 30%... 47% to be exact for the FTSE 100, 90% for Nasdaq, 87% for the Dow Jones. The FTSE has an average return over the long run of 10% p.a, which over 10 years is the equivalent of 259% returns. Though I agree this is looking at a different period. If you looked at India over a longer period the average returns would be lower. Though I agree with what you are saying - Emerging markets are the way forward right now.
James. Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 47% to be exact for the FTSE 100, 90% for Nasdaq, 87% for the Dow Jones. The FTSE has an average return over the long run of 10% p.a, which over 10 years is the equivalent of 259% returns. Though I agree this is looking at a different period. If you looked at India over a longer period the average returns would be lower. Though I agree with what you are saying - Emerging markets are the way forward right now. This is very anal of me but I really can't see where you get 47% from. Just checked on a Bloomberg terminal and I see it as around 30% from Feb 1997 to Feb 2007. Maybe I'm missing something. In any case this is hardly an entertaining argument for an internet forum... Go emerging markets!
andyh1884 Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Also managed to get onto the property ladder and rent out a house. The best way to do this, if you can not pay a big deposit and get a Buy to Let, is too simpley get a residential mortgage, write to your lender a few weeks down the line stating you can't move in for whatever reason and you would like to rent it out. I paid £150 to mortgage lender, and they have allowed me to rent it out for 3 years. Alternatively you could live in the house and get a lodger in. As long as they're paying less than £354 per month (£4250 a year) then there's no tax issues, although there's the possibility of having to pay capital gains tax when you sell the house by doing this.
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Do you have 71p? I'll turn it into a quid! Yeah - but by the time I've paid you your fees.....
Lord Nibblington Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 Do you have 71p? I'll turn it into a quid! And then what would you turn that quid into? Just wondering because I might be able to rustle up 71p!
The People's Hero Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 If a quid is the best you can do Monk, could I suggest that you redouble your efforts?
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 This is very anal of me but I really can't see where you get 47% from. Just checked on a Bloomberg terminal and I see it as around 30% from Feb 1997 to Feb 2007. Maybe I'm missing something. In any case this is hardly an entertaining argument for an internet forum... Go emerging markets! I am not at my BBG terminal today... so using trusty Yahoo Finance 7th Feb 1997 - 4307 7th Feb 2007 - 6369 But yes... as unentertaining as a Henderson Goal Kick Who do you work for anyway?
James. Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I am not at my BBG terminal today... so using trusty Yahoo Finance 7th Feb 1997 - 4307 7th Feb 2007 - 6369 But yes... as unentertaining as a Henderson Goal Kick Who do you work for anyway? Just PM'd you sir. Although I will publicly accept defeat on the FTSE return!!
Monk Posted 8 February 2007 Posted 8 February 2007 I take it all back. I am going to put all my money in Pork Belly Futures
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