Brainy Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I saw highlights of Sri Lanka's match with South Africa last Wednesday and they never gave up. This is probably England's biggest test of the competition so far and I can't see much coming from it. They're going to struggle against Malinga.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I saw highlights of Sri Lanka's match with South Africa last Wednesday and they never gave up. This is probably England's biggest test of the competition so far and I can't see much coming from it. They're going to struggle against Malinga. I stick to my guns no matter how many people say his bowling action is legal, that blokes a cheat.
davieG Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I stick to my guns no matter how many people say his bowling action is legal, that blokes a cheat. I concur, it's just not cricket it's throwing!
Brainy Posted 4 April 2007 Author Posted 4 April 2007 The game agianst SA was the first time i've seen him play. I've seen many complaints on ceefax about his bowling and I agree with them. When I watched that game I noticed his bowling throwing wasn't very affective until he got the four wickets..
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 The game agianst SA was the first time i've seen him play. I've seen many complaints on ceefax about his bowling and I agree with them. When I watched that game I noticed his bowling throwing wasn't very affective until he got the four wickets.. We played Sri Lanka not to long ago, he totally ripped us apart if I remember rightly.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 He's a dangerous bowler. Important game for us because in my eyes, the 4th s/f spot is up for grabs between SL/Eng. NZ, AUS and SA are dead certs in my eyes.
James. Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Tait for Australia borders on throwing but even he is not a patch on Malinga. That said the Authoritays must be happy with it...
James. Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 He's a dangerous bowler.Important game for us because in my eyes, the 4th s/f spot is up for grabs between SL/Eng. NZ, AUS and SA are dead certs in my eyes. Was discussing this at work yesterday and you're spot on. This match is massive.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 This is all on the basis that the Windies don't suddenly turn in to the side they *could* be. I really don't think they will though.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I dunno actually, I think we could get one over on SA tbh. On our day like.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I dunno actually, I think we could get one over on SA tbh. On our day like. I can't see it mate, but possibly. Well, fingers crossed anyway.
Leicfox Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Our View An England win would shake up the super eights and stop it moving inexorably towards an Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Sri Lanka semi final line-up. Unfortunately the statistics do not make good reading for England and we expect the Sri Lankans to strengthen their claim to a spot in the last four. They are priced at 1.47, which equates to a 68% chance of winning. Despite this short price, we would recommend backing them to maintain their momentum and take the two points. England’s best chance would appear to come if they win the toss and insert the Sri Lankans. Under Michael Vaughan they have lost just three of their last 16 matches against big eight sides when chasing and have a better than 50% record in recent times when putting the opposition into bat. However, whilst this appears strong, their overall record (with and without Vaughan) is only average at best (nine wins from their last 20) when batting second and Sri Lanka have won six of the seven ODIs between the two since 2000 when they have set the target. Sri Lanka’s 5-0 drubbing of England last summer is likely to be fresh in the minds of those players taking part, particularly the top of the Sri Lankan order. Tharanga, Jayasuriya and Jayawardene all made more than 320 runs in that series, with two centuries each. The latter two appear in good touch at present and we would side with Jayasuriya to have another good day against England. He is priced at 4.0 to be their top scorer. The large totals posted by Sri Lanka last summer and in their most recent game against the West Indies make us favour a big total should they bat first here. Against England last summer they scored at an average of just under 6.5 runs per over, which would translate into a total of 323 were they to bat first and use their allotted overs. If the spread is set around the 260-270 mark we would look to buy. Strong trends * Sri Lanka have won the last five and 11 of the 17 matches between the two since 2000 * They have won six out of seven in this period when batting first * Despite England generally preferring to chase against big eight sides, they have the slight edge in the nine matches where they have batted first against Sri Lanka * Despite one heavily rain-affected match and the quick finish between Bangladesh and New Zealand, there has been an average of 5.5 sixes per match in the four matches at this ground * Sri Lanka have won just 26% of the 23 matches in which they have chased in neutral territory Antigua history See our General Tables There have been four matches at the new Sir Vivian Richards Stadium in Antigua, with all of them being extremely one sided affairs. Australian have beaten West Indies by 103 runs and Bangladesh by 10 wickets, whilst New Zealand have won both their matches against the same opposition, by seven wickets and nine wickets respectively. Both these two sides showed that the pitch can suit the batters and big scores shouldn’t be ruled out, despite the low totals posted by the losing teams. That was more a function of good bowling and poor batting than any demons in the strip. Spinners have fared decently, but there appears little evidence that the square suits any specific kind of bowling and it looks to be an even pitch with a bit in it for everyone. Whilst the ground is bigger than some that featured in the group stages, there have still been a decent amount of sixes hit, with 22 from the four matches, despite the reduced overs match between Bangladesh and Australia and the quick finishes in both the matches featuring the Kiwis. If the market on sixes is around the 6-6.5 mark, this could be an interesting spread to buy, especially with the likes of Jayasuriya, Pietersen and Flintoff featuring in the match. Head-to-head history Sri Lanka gave England a mauling last summer, winning all five matches and tearing the England attack apart. Their five totals were: 257/9, 319/8, 265/2 (42.2 ov), 318/7, 324/2 (37.3 ov). It was the last of these which really summer up the series. England had made what looked like an excellent total of 321/7, but Sri Lanka cruised past it for the loss of just two wickets and with an astonishing 12.3 overs to spare. Going back further, England have had a slightly better time of it, particularly in Australia in 2002/03, when they won three of the four matches played but overall, Sri Lanka hold a sizeable advantage – 11 wins to England’s six - in the 17 ODIs since the turn of the century. Over this period, the Sri Lankan’s dominance has been almost complete when they have batted first, winning six out of seven, by an average supremacy of 27. This run includes the last five matches under these circumstances – none of which were in Sri Lanka. When England bat first, the series is much more even. Whilst Sri Lanka proved in the last match that they can chase down anything, England hold the slight advantage – winning five of the nine contests when they have set the target. These games have generally been one-sided, regardless of who wins. There has only been one match where the supremacy was less than 40 of the nine where England batted first.
lcfc_jme Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I feel we're going to get beat. Chaminda Vaas will get rid of two of the top 3, Malinga will take 3 and Murali will get 3. We'll finish on a relatively poor score like 209-8. Jayasuriya will then proceed to smash us to all corners of the ground, and Sri Lanka will end up winning by 6 wickets at the very least. Then we have Australia to look forward to playing in a couple of days' time.
C-man Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I feel we're going to get beat. Chaminda Vaas will get rid of two of the top 3, Malinga will take 3 and Murali will get 3. We'll finish on a relatively poor score like 209-8. Jayasuriya will then proceed to smash us to all corners of the ground, and Sri Lanka will end up winning by 6 wickets at the very least. Then we have Australia to look forward to playing in a couple of days' time. I know spot betting in cricket is commonplace, but this takes the piss
Brainy Posted 4 April 2007 Author Posted 4 April 2007 Wouldn't he be the first England player to get a century this World Cup
Milky Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Wouldn't he be the first England player to get a century this World Cup yep, that's one of the major problems we have in ODI's, people don't go on and get big scores. Vaughan has never got a one day century! unbelievable stat. Neither has Bell.
lcfc_jme Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I know spot betting in cricket is commonplace, but this takes the piss yep, that's one of the major problems we have in ODI's, people don't go on and get big scores. Vaughan has never got a one day century! unbelievable stat. Neither has Bell. Vaughan gives his wicket away all too often, as has been extremely evident in this World Cup. For a player of his obvious quality, it is not really good enough that he hasn't recorded an ODI century (if this indeed is the case). As for Bell, what a moron. He's a test match player, not an ODI player. For the amount of deliveries he faces per innings, he should have recorded an ODI century by now. That 30-something he scored off of 70+ deliveries was just ridiculous.
Milky Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Vaughan gives his wicket away all too often, as has been extremely evident in this World Cup. For a player of his obvious quality, it is not really good enough that he hasn't recorded an ODI century (if this indeed is the case). cheeky bastard
lcfc_jme Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 cheeky bastard So nice to know you care. Nah, it turns out you're more than right, so sorry. He has gone by 50 a grand total of 15 times, which makes his lack of centuries all the more worrying.
Flynny Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I'm not expecting a win, but I'm fairly optimistic. Malinga is doubtless a good bowler and his action gives batsmen problems, but he's inconsistant and his economy is poor. I still remember Pietersen thrashing him all over the place in the test series. He also had a good series against Murali, as I recall. I didn't watch much of our 5-0 ODI drubbing though (prefer tests a bit) so that view's probably a bit skewed. If the batting line-up has been shuffled as it's been rumoured, hopefully he's at 3. I'd like to see Struass today too. So long as the bowling is decent, we should be able to restrict them to less than 300. They scored 250 against India, 300 against the Windies, and just 209 against South Africa. If we bowl at them first and keep them to around 250, I rate our chances. If they score 300+ and we're chasing a run a ball target, they'll bowl us out. Tough one to call. Sri Lanka should win, but I see it being closeish.
Samu Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I hope they mix it up a bit for this game. Give Strauss a game, they might as well cos I doubt we will see much from the top 3 again this game. I would change it quite a bit. As much as I like Bell he just hasn't been playing well enough to justify his inclusion. I would try: Vaughan Strauss Bopara (give him a try at 3, he plays up the order for Essex and he's not really had a good go with the bat yet) KP Collingwood Flintoff Dalrymple Nixon Plunkett??? (not sure whether I would prefer him or give Lewis a go, sometimes he does ok) Anderson Panesar
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Flintoff will be our top run scorer today. Please?
Milky Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 I hope they mix it up a bit for this game. Give Strauss a game, they might as well cos I doubt we will see much from the top 3 again this game. I would change it quite a bit. As much as I like Bell he just hasn't been playing well enough to justify his inclusion.I would try: Vaughan Strauss Bopara (give him a try at 3, he plays up the order for Essex and he's not really had a good go with the bat yet) KP Collingwood Flintoff Dalrymple Nixon Plunkett??? (not sure whether I would prefer him or give Lewis a go, sometimes he does ok) Anderson Panesar No need for Bopara and Dalrymple together. Might aswell ditch Dalrymple for another specialist batsmen.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2007 Posted 4 April 2007 Strauss really should be in the side. To be honest, I don't know why they didn't take Mal Loye.
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