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[BartonFox]

Given a choice between Fryatt and Hume next season, I'll take Fryatt thanks very much and Hume can f'ck off back to Tranmere Rovers.

Everything Lemond has said is spot on. I have to have the same discussion each week with the fool that sits behind me, Hume will never be a Premiership striker and he wouldn't get a start for any of the top 8 teams either in this division.

Yes I appreciate the endevour but when you make rank decisions minute after minute and continually run up a blind alley it completely devalues the work rate.

As for Elvis '50 cent' Hammond that twat can't pass, control or kick the ball so f'ck knows how he is even being touted for a game.

[Manwell Pablo]

We don't need to buy a lot. Two centre mids, one striker, a goalie would cost a good 2-3 million. For the rest can be no shame in giving a chance to academy players occasionally. Dodds has lost his chance in the near future and while I'm sure he will be a good striker with 3 years experience, there is still Chambers to fit the bill of pacey forward.

Note Dado Prso leaving Rangers. He'd be good for a year or two

Dear oh dear we need more than four players, please

We can't rely on the academy that much, it's to much pressure they need to be bought through in the right envioment. I'll be amazed if Gradel and King don't both feature next season, possible Ashley Chambers as well maybe even Odihambo will get a go. They should be in and around the squad breaking in slowly, not the players we are resting our hopes on, we need good players and not the tosh we've been buying, as despite the fact that we've produced quite a lot of potential from our youth set up none of them perform consistently for us and this is to be expected they are young, young players don't perform consistently.

we need a squad as well as a starting XI, we need a right winger Newtons only loan, we need a right back as Maybury, Stearman or Kenton aren't good enough, if Nills leaves we need a left back, in fact we could with any one, we could do with a left winget who offers something different to Levi. I'd also say we need three centre midfielders and as you say a striker, and goalkeeper.

And they all need to be half decent players.

EDIT: oh and Prso, ambitious but good shout.

[Thracian]

Given a choice between Fryatt and Hume next season, I'll take Fryatt thanks very much and Hume can f'ck off back to Tranmere Rovers.

Everything Lemond has said is spot on. I have to have the same discussion each week with the fool that sits behind me, Hume will never be a Premiership striker and he wouldn't get a start for any of the top 8 teams either in this division.

Yes I appreciate the endevour but when you make rank decisions minute after minute and continually run up a blind alley it completely devalues the work rate.

As for Elvis '50 cent' Hammond that twat can't pass, control or kick the ball so f'ck knows how he is even being touted for a game.

Fryatt is as prone to bad decisions as Hume - it's just that his lately have not been in quite such important positions.

Premiership-wise you are right but Championship wise Hume is a better bet because he's scored more goals in fewer matches, he's less injury prone and he does a far more useful job when he's off form than Fryatt does.

Fryatt is simply a striker. There's no extras. Consequently if he's not scoring which has been the case all season, then he's not much use.

He's a young player to have such injury troubles too.

Hammond is touted for a game because he's better than others available - like Caders because he barely makes the pace or Billy McKay cos he's probably not ready.

Fryatt has been a watersoaked firework.

And Horsfield has barely more than half-an-hour's fuel in the tank at any pace.

[Simi]

hume and Fryatt + service = GOALS

Sadly, not enough by a long way this season and even then only certain types of goals.

Surely that's the point he's making about lack of servie. I think he's getting at the fact we potentially have a good striking force.

[MBK]

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I'll break that down (with my amateur football brain) even though the thread title is not ideal.

Gk department

I'd keep one between Hendo and Logan. Hendo may have some value so selling him would bring something back. We need to spend here or get someone on loan from the prem. 1 signing.

Defence

Centre

You're right, losing Nisse would be a big blow. But he has every right to be frustrated because despite doing his bit quietly he has never been properly appreciated plus his place has been taken by worse and out of position players. McCarthy must be released. Maybury sold. Kisnorbo and McAuley are good choices but both need to improve their game. Stearman should be given another season, that makes 4 central defenders assuming Nisse signs on.

Flanks

Mattock is a valuable player but we cannot rely on under 20's for a full consistent season. Kenton should be kept as a RB. I think the times he has played in position he has been praised. Maybury wants to leave (based on Bartonfox). Stearman can also cover this role but needs to improve his game. That means we need another two alternatives. 2 signings.

Midfield

Hughes should be grudgingly given another season to prove himself. King would be there to cover and also work his way into the side. Weso is a rock and given his legs make it to the end of the season, he should be our mainstem in the centre. MM would do well to scout foreign markets (Slovenia?) for an alternative. Newton should be signed if his price is low (with the overload of players at WH, I think MM will pull it off). Porter must develop, and I think he will make it. Mattock and Cada will compete with him. Gradel should cover for Newton (or replace him entirely). 3 signings Matt Jarvis has been repeatedly linked with us and that would give us cover in the centre and left. Jarrett back home of course.

Forward

De Vries, Hammond, Horsefield going. Someone to replace and lead the line. Again I suspect MM and manager will go for two foreign league players competing with Fryatt and Hume. As people have pointed out both need to improve their game. I would also go for someone similiar to Sharp or Iwulemo (unsure of him). 2signings

[Fez of Mahrez]

If we bring in a central midfielder or two of real quality (ideally one fairly experienced top-drawer Championship player and one kid from Arsenal's reserves) and a striker who can hold the ball up AND still remain mobile (i.e. someone in the mould of Jason Roberts, although it looks like he is back in Blackburn's plans now), then it will bring the best out of the players around them. Stearman, Maybury, Kenton, Wesolowski, Porter and Fryatt have all shown me enough to warrant staying as part of a first-team squad. It's Johnson, Jarrett, Hughes and Williams that have let us down badly this season. Better players in the middle means we control the game and the peripheral players have less pressure on them. It would also help to have someone to lead the line and hold the ball up to bring midfielders into play rather than the depressing sight of watching Fryatt try to take on five men and shoot from outside the box. We need more pace in the middle of the park. Stick Porter and Hume wide with two reliable central midfielders and we are laughing.

As for Hume, he may not be the greatest player in the world and he may go off the boil for weeks on end but for long periods this season he's been our only attacking threat in the whole team. It saddens me that people can't see that. If the search engine was turned on I'd trawl through all Lemond's player ratings from a few months ago and wonder why a few indifferent games have caused him to turn against a player who has had to do it on his own practically all season given the pathetic excuses for strike partners he's had to put up with.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

Given a choice between Fryatt and Hume next season, I'll take Fryatt thanks very much and Hume can f'ck off back to Tranmere Rovers.

Everything Lemond has said is spot on. I have to have the same discussion each week with the fool that sits behind me, Hume will never be a Premiership striker and he wouldn't get a start for any of the top 8 teams either in this division.

Yes I appreciate the endevour but when you make rank decisions minute after minute and continually run up a blind alley it completely devalues the work rate.

As for Elvis '50 cent' Hammond that twat can't pass, control or kick the ball so f'ck knows how he is even being touted for a game.

Barton are you for real?? If it weren't for Hume we'd be down by now..... FACT

Cant see any of the strikers we've used this season getting anywhere near 13 goals with the drivel we've had playing along side him.....

[BartonFox]

Barton are you for real?? If it weren't for Hume we'd be down by now..... FACT

Cant see any of the strikers we've used this season getting anywhere near 13 goals with the drivel we've had playing along side him.....

Unlike many of the numbskulls who shout "Huuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmeee" I don't get taken in by a lot of headless running around. Hume has not developed since he arrived for 750k and he is not all that.

In the big reshape in the summer I wouldn't be fussed if he moved on, I have seen nothing to suggest he would be a significant loss if we are adding better quality players. However Matty Fryatt (who is just a striker) has demonstrated a real knack for scoring goals; but hey why would we want a player like that

Hume is better than the likes of Hammond, Cadermarteri and Horsefield but that doesn't mean he is free from criticism or questioning.

[Geo V]

Fryatt just lacks any stamina or strength. We all know he can finish and has something about him, but he just seems lazy at times. Hume has been getting a bit selfish recently, but who wouldn't with the rest of the team so incapable of doing anything.

Fryatt is young and has time to come good. We should give the lad as he has something about him as you say.

Hume is a quality striker who will get better next season when he has quality players supplying him the ball. Of course he will make mistakes and miss chances or passes but even the best players in the world do that.

Lets see who we bring in during the summer and from there we can see whether either of the aforementioned get a game!

[Fez of Mahrez]

I refer the honourable gentleman to Fryatt and Hume's goalscoring records for us/at this level (same thing).

[Joe.]

Given a choice between Fryatt and Hume next season, I'll take Fryatt thanks very much and Hume can f'ck off back to Tranmere Rovers.

Everything Lemond has said is spot on. I have to have the same discussion each week with the fool that sits behind me, Hume will never be a Premiership striker and he wouldn't get a start for any of the top 8 teams either in this division.

Yes I appreciate the endevour but when you make rank decisions minute after minute and continually run up a blind alley it completely devalues the work rate.

Another classic there Barton.

Fryatt with 3 goals this season is it ahead of Hume who has 12?

[lookwhaticando]

Unlike many of the numbskulls who shout "Huuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmeee" I don't get taken in by a lot of headless running around. Hume has not developed since he arrived for 750k and he is not all that.

In the big reshape in the summer I wouldn't be fussed if he moved on, I have seen nothing to suggest he would be a significant loss if we are adding better quality players. However Matty Fryatt (who is just a striker) has demonstrated a real knack for scoring goals; but hey why would we want a player like that

Hume is better than the likes of Hammond, Cadermarteri and Horsefield but that doesn't mean he is free from criticism or questioning.

I'd have thought you , of all people, would have put his lack of development down to the inept coaching regime he's suffered over the course of the past 20-odd months.

Are you at all willing to agree that perhaps with some decent coaching by the right people, he could be a good player at this level?

Just curious.

[Geo V]

I refer the honourable gentleman to Fryatt and Hume's goalscoring records for us/at this level (same thing).

Yes mate but it depends on who we manage to bring in during the summer. If we get a smaller player (lets be honest, big strikers/target men are hard to get hold of these days), will playing Hume and a similar sized striker work? I suppose we can speculate on the team when we have our squad compiled over the summer!

[OriginalRobboFOX]

Unlike many of the numbskulls who shout "Huuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmeee" I don't get taken in by a lot of headless running around. Hume has not developed since he arrived for 750k and he is not all that.

In the big reshape in the summer I wouldn't be fussed if he moved on, I have seen nothing to suggest he would be a significant loss if we are adding better quality players. However Matty Fryatt (who is just a striker) has demonstrated a real knack for scoring goals; but hey why would we want a player like that

Hume is better than the likes of Hammond, Cadermarteri and Horsefield but that doesn't mean he is free from criticism or questioning.

I believe you said he can **** off back to Tranmere?? And as pointed out previously I'll take a 13 goal striker who may huff and puff his away round the pitch (and is adored by many City fans I might add) over a 3 goal, unfit, slightly overweight player who doesn't even do the 'huffing and puffing'.....

[BartonFox]

I'd have thought you , of all people, would have put his lack of development down to the inept coaching regime he's suffered over the course of the past 20-odd months.

Are you at all willing to agree that perhaps with some decent coaching by the right people, he could be a good player at this level?

Just curious.

No doubt there was poor coaching, but he isn't all that (and by that I mean the ridiculous worshipping from the numbskulls), also why do you think he spent all that time on the bench when he arrived

He may well be a decent player at this level, but I thought we were looking beyond that now, 3 year plan and all that

[BartonFox]

I believe you said he can **** off back to Tranmere?? And as pointed out previously I'll take a 13 goal striker who may huff and puff his away round the pitch (and is adored by many City fans I might add) over a 3 goal, unfit, slightly overweight player who doesn't even do the 'huffing and puffing'.....

Well you do that and good for you I don't give a f'ck wether he "is adored by many City fans", as we have one of the least knowledgable supports in England.

However as Fryatt spent the entire season unfit and injured, I'll still hedge my bets with him over Hume thanks

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[Maybes]

Well you do that and good for you I don't give a f'ck wether he "is adored by many City fans", as we have one of the least knowledgable supports in England.

However as Fryatt spent the entire season unfit and injured, I'll still hedge my bets with him over Hume thanks

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Im yet to see this class develop

[BartonFox]

Im yet to see this class develop

Another to add to the list

[OriginalRobboFOX]

Another to add to the list

BartonFox vs. The World....

3 goals vs. 13 goals....

[Lord Nibblington]

Just a random point. Judging purely by the number of goals scored isn't always the best way of judging whose the better striker.

As an example. Bobby Zamora has scored 11 Premierships goals this season. Dimitar Berbatov has scored 9. Thierry Henry has scored 10. Of those three, I don't think anyone can launch a credible case for old Bobby to be the best striker of the bunch.

[The People's Hero]

Just a random point. Judging purely by the number of goals scored isn't always the best way of judging whose the better striker.

As an example. Bobby Zamora has scored 11 Premierships goals this season. Dimitar Berbatov has scored 9. Thierry Henry has scored 10. Of those three, I don't think anyone can launch a credible case for old Bobby to be the best striker of the bunch.

A well made point sir.

To take this completely off topic... I've been mightily impressed with Mr Berbatov this year. Good signing Mr Jol.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

Just a random point. Judging purely by the number of goals scored isn't always the best way of judging whose the better striker.

As an example. Bobby Zamora has scored 11 Premierships goals this season. Dimitar Berbatov has scored 9. Thierry Henry has scored 10. Of those three, I don't think anyone can launch a credible case for old Bobby to be the best striker of the bunch.

I'd have Zammo over Thierry at Leicester anyday

[OriginalRobboFOX]

Just a random point. Judging purely by the number of goals scored isn't always the best way of judging whose the better striker.

As an example. Bobby Zamora has scored 11 Premierships goals this season. Dimitar Berbatov has scored 9. Thierry Henry has scored 10. Of those three, I don't think anyone can launch a credible case for old Bobby to be the best striker of the bunch.

Point taken, but this can hardly apply in the Fryatt vs. Hume debate based on this season....

[Daggers]

Point taken, but this can hardly apply in the Fryatt vs. Hume debate based on this season....

Yes it can - Hume scored more goals but is a worse striker than Fryatt. There, I just did it.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

Yes it can - Hume scored more goals but is a worse striker than Fryatt. There, I just did it.

Thats utter tosh. Prove it.