Ric Flair Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 I've always thought he works very hard - but with the limited amount of pitchtime he gets he's always going to need recovery time with the pace he goes, the distances he covers and the battles he gets into on the way. Nothing ever looks relaxed and comfortable with Elvis but I think you'd need to mark him to realise what a handful he is. Hammond's pace is his best asset but he doesn't use it to the best of his ability, having said that defenders will never leave that to chance and that's why he causes problems. But at this level you need more than being able to cause the odd problem for defences.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Hammond's pace is his best asset but he doesn't use it to the best of his ability, having said that defenders will never leave that to chance and that's why he causes problems. But at this level you need more than being able to cause the odd problem for defences. Like the abilty to occasionally hit a cows arse with a banjo.
The People's Hero Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Effect effect effect impact impact lies lies misquoted statistics academy beaglehole fryatt is crap dodds dodds dodds impact positive goals academy youth misrepresent someone else's argument sensationalism empty meaningless analogy dodds sheehan dodds. There Thracian, saved you the bother.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 hume and Fryatt + service = GOALS 100% agree with that. We have limited service for the front two this season, whether its Hume and Fryatt, Horse and Fryatt, Hume and Hammond etc. So a decent midfield next season should put that right. Granted Fryatt has looked pants this season, but he can do it (as we have seen) and with a good pre-season behind him he should be raring to go next season. With Hume we all know he is very committed and sometimes he looks like the only one who gives a toss. Again his problem this year has been service which means he has to drop back deep and try and create things for himself which is very frustrating for a striker. But next season with decent service I'm confident that they'll both be scoring goals-a-plenty.....
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Effect effect effect impact impact lies lies misquoted statistics academy beaglehole fryatt is crap dodds dodds dodds impact positive goals academy youth misrepresent someone else's argument sensationalism empty meaningless analogy dodds sheehan dodds.There Thracian, saved you the bother. There is no need to behave like a wounded caterpiller, pining for his true love at the battle of the somme mate!!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Effect effect effect impact impact lies lies misquoted statistics academy beaglehole fryatt is crap dodds dodds dodds impact positive goals academy youth misrepresent someone else's argument sensationalism empty meaningless analogy dodds sheehan dodds.There Thracian, saved you the bother. You forgot King, King, King, best attacking midfielder at the club he can Pass King kInG kiNg. Max Graddeeeelllll boy! Whoop whoop, French Gansta Elvis style you hear? YOUTH! Young and Hungry, Babble babble RESERVE TEAM FOOTBALL, Young, Chambers, If Steven Hughes plays for Leicester so can Kermit the Frog.
Zingari Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Like the abilty to occasionally hit a cows arse with a banjo. getting one in early for a quote of the week
Dames Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Thracs Obsession with the youth team is somewhat scary
Daggers Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Next season I want someone decent up front. His puffing about the pitch and arguments with the officials don't fool me ~ the bloke is average. "Covering the midfield"? He's a ****ing striker, that's his job, he should be in the box but he rarely is. His positional sense and control are dreadful at the moment as is his finishing. But, the worse aspect to his current play is his vision. This isn't about him not passing to the Horse...that trivialises the issue (which, of course, was your point Thracian)...it has happened time and time again over recent matches. He has made the wrong decisions and we have paid the price. Either he plays up front and starts putting the ball away or we sign someone decent to do the job. I'll be betting he isn't trotting out for us on a weekly basis by Xmas.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Next season I want someone decent up front.His puffing about the pitch and arguments with the officials don't fool me ~ the bloke is average. "Covering the midfield"? He's a ****ing striker, that's his job, he should be in the box but he rarely is. His positional sense and control are dreadful at the moment as is his finishing. But, the worse aspect to his current play is his vision. This isn't about him not passing to the Horse...that trivialises the issue (which, of course, was your point Thracian)...it has happened time and time again over recent matches. He has made the wrong decisions and we have paid the price. Either he plays up front and starts putting the ball away or we sign someone decent to do the job. I'll be betting he isn't trotting out for us on a weekly basis by Xmas. Are you referring to Hume?? If so are you for real???
Ric Flair Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Next season I want someone decent up front.His puffing about the pitch and arguments with the officials don't fool me ~ the bloke is average. "Covering the midfield"? He's a ****ing striker, that's his job, he should be in the box but he rarely is. His positional sense and control are dreadful at the moment as is his finishing. But, the worse aspect to his current play is his vision. This isn't about him not passing to the Horse...that trivialises the issue (which, of course, was your point Thracian)...it has happened time and time again over recent matches. He has made the wrong decisions and we have paid the price. Either he plays up front and starts putting the ball away or we sign someone decent to do the job. I'll be betting he isn't trotting out for us on a weekly basis by Xmas. I'm not so sure, I still think he's got the ability to be very good at this level. As i've previosuly stated up until last week he was classed as the 22nd best player in the whole division based on performance stats, etc. Given we have been absolute pony this season, it's a decent achievement and testiment that with the right coaching and in the right set up, he could be as good as he wants to be. In recent weeks he's decided to try and save us on his own, which show's his in-experience and lack of composure because let's face it, he hasn't saved us at all. I'm hoping our next manager get's the best out of Hume, he's certainly been one of our best players since he's been here but I think he's got more ability than he's showing. Time for him to step up a gear next season.
harpendenfox Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 I've always thought he works very hard - but with the limited amount of pitchtime he gets he's always going to need recovery time with the pace he goes, the distances he covers and the battles he gets into on the way. Nothing ever looks relaxed and comfortable with Elvis but I think you'd need to mark him to realise what a handful he is. Much though I'd love to volunteer my services at centre-back for Barnsley this weekend, I think my best days are behind me. Mind you, if Barnsley think a slightly overweight 40 year old is the solution to their leaky defence, then I'd be happy to play for them for free, and we can put your cunning experiment to the test. Whilst not being an Elvis fan, I do have a feeling he might beat me to a 50:50 ball. Mind you, I do play a wicked offside......
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 It's not as if his goal return is that poor either, 12 goals isn't too bad considering the total lack of creativity we've had for the best part of this season.
Ric Flair Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 It's not as if his goal return is that poor either, 12 goals isn't too bad considering the total lack of creativity we've had for the best part of this season. 13 if you include his cup goal against Hereford. (Elvis won a brilliant penalty, scored a curler and mis-kicked a great looking header) Agreed. He has periods of brilliance where he'll score 5 or 6 in quick succession and then go off the boil for weeks on end. But he's shown he's got the ability and as i've said, with the right coaching he should be able to step up to the next level and be one of the best players in the division. 22nd league's best player in a team that's been shit, isn't bad IMO.
Hullfox Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Effect effect effect impact impact lies lies misquoted statistics academy beaglehole fryatt is crap dodds dodds dodds impact positive goals academy youth misrepresent someone else's argument sensationalism empty meaningless analogy dodds sheehan dodds.There Thracian, saved you the bother. You also forgot, Hullfox Hullfox no solution condescending Hullcock loves Kelly day one told you so you're wrong I'm right Hullknob
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 13 if you include his cup goal against Hereford. (Elvis won a brilliant penalty, scored a curler and mis-kicked a great looking header)Agreed. He has periods of brilliance where he'll score 5 or 6 in quick succession and then go off the boil for weeks on end. But he's shown he's got the ability and as i've said, with the right coaching he should be able to step up to the next level and be one of the best players in the division. 22nd league's best player in a team that's been shit, isn't bad IMO. We've got to consider the other problems we have, as I've said before despite what alot of people think Mandaric is far from a bottomless pit and we need central midfielders as that area is still massive problems, both full back positions and both wings as we have no depth at all. I don't see us buying more than one striker to be honest.
Ric Flair Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 We've got to consider the other problems we have, as I've said before despite what alot of people think Mandaric is far from a bottomless pit and we need central midfielders as that area is still massive problems, both full back positions and both wings as we have no depth at all. I don't see us buying more than one striker to be honest. Again, you're absolutely right. I can't see where we'll get the cash for 10-15 new players, therefore we need to look at what we've already got (I sound like Nob Kelly) and decide who can still do a decent job at this level in the right set up. Hume and Fryatt are the first two i'd have down to keep along with several defenders, a few midfielders and possibly one of the 3 goalie's we have. We realistically do need 10 or so new players, but there's a core of young players we have here that can get better with a knowledgable and determined manager.
coale39 Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 We've got to consider the other problems we have, as I've said before despite what alot of people think Mandaric is far from a bottomless pit and we need central midfielders as that area is still massive problems, both full back positions and both wings as we have no depth at all. I don't see us buying more than one striker to be honest. Yeah, I think we need to strengthen everything except CB. Got that covered I think.
Daggers Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Are you referring to Hume?? If so are you for real??? Just because most of the baa-lambs at games like to shout "Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuume" doesn't mean he's any good. He gets a round of applause for farting and it's ****ing pathetic. The cock-ups he makes are glossed over, his short-comings ignored, why? Because he runs around a lot and looks all red faced from his exertions. The guys that sit near me slam Nils week in week out...but I feel his contribution to matches pisses all over Hume's. I challenge you: This Saturday, just watch Hume. Watch his control, his passing and his decision making. Look at his unnecessary runs and see how often the box is left unattended. Don't be swayed by the sheep. In recent weeks he's decided to try and save us on his own, which show's his in-experience and lack of composure because let's face it, he hasn't saved us at all. I'm hoping our next manager get's the best out of Hume, he's certainly been one of our best players since he's been here but I think he's got more ability than he's showing. Time for him to step up a gear next season. Absolutely mate - but he is at the fag end of the season having run himself into some bad habits. Without proper direction from Kelly he is now a liability and needs rest and coaching. His control is really poor compared to Fryatts at the mo'. Against Brum and PNE the pair of them kept running into the same space - it was Primary School football. Then, when the Horse came on, Hume and the big man started doing the same thing...and for me there's a common factor here. Also, he is physically pushed off the ball too easily - and then runs around red in the face bitching he didn't get a free kick. The bottom line is - I don't believe there is space for him and Fryatt up front for us. They haven't gelled. I want to see two or three quality players in the squad all competing with them for the slots. I want them to be playing defined roles, not whatever they think is suitable for the team.
Ric Flair Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Just because most of the baa-lambs at games like to shout "Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuume" doesn't mean he's any good. He gets a round of applause for farting and it's ****ing pathetic.The cock-ups he makes are glossed over, his short-comings ignored, why? Because he runs around a lot and looks all red faced from his exertions. The guys that sit near me slam Nils week in week out...but I feel his contribution to matches pisses all over Hume's. I challenge you: This Saturday, just watch Hume. Watch his control, his passing and his decision making. Look at his unnecessary runs and see how often the box is left unattended. Don't be swayed by the sheep. Absolutely mate - but he is at the fag end of the season having run himself into some bad habits. Without proper direction from Kelly he is now a liability and needs rest and coaching. His control is really poor compared to Fryatts at the mo'. Against Brum and PNE the pair of them kept running into the same space - it was Primary School football. Then, when the Horse came on, Hume and the big man started doing the same thing...and for me there's a common factor here. Also, he is physically pushed off the ball too easily - and then runs around red in the face bitching he didn't get a free kick. The bottom line is - I don't believe there is space for him and Fryatt up front for us. They haven't gelled. I want to see two or three quality players in the squad all competing with them for the slots. I want them to be playing defined roles, not whatever they think is suitable for the team. You raise some good points and i'm fully aware thatn Hume is a fans favourite and will always get the backing irrespective of his performance, but that's often the case with some players. It's happened many times down the years here and you have to earn that as a player, even if it's technically not a true reflection of a player's ability. I look back to last season and there was evidence that Fryatt and Hume could play together, it's about service and them being coached in the correct way. Any manager worth their salt would not allow our defenders and goalie to hoof the ball up to those pair 90% of the time, after half an hour of that happening you'd make sure they never did that again. That's had a big effect on our season. But if both can't play together and we bring someone in with more quality then i'm all for it. I just want to see us play some creative football.
Dames Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 I reckon with Andy King playing behind him feeding him world class balls he would be the the best striker in the division
Daggers Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 I just want to see us play some creative football. Amen :thumbsup:
MBK Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 We've got to consider the other problems we have, as I've said before despite what alot of people think Mandaric is far from a bottomless pit and we need central midfielders as that area is still massive problems, both full back positions and both wings as we have no depth at all. I don't see us buying more than one striker to be honest. We don't need to buy a lot. Two centre mids, one striker, a goalie would cost a good 2-3 million. For the rest can be no shame in giving a chance to academy players occasionally. Dodds has lost his chance in the near future and while I'm sure he will be a good striker with 3 years experience, there is still Chambers to fit the bill of pacey forward. Note Dado Prso leaving Rangers. He'd be good for a year or two
Thracian Posted 23 April 2007 Author Posted 23 April 2007 You also forgot, Hullfox Hullfox no solution condescending Hullcock loves Kelly day one told you so you're wrong I'm right Hullknob One thing's for sure - you're never far behind TPH!
lildave3 Posted 23 April 2007 Posted 23 April 2007 Both players are very inconsistent, but on their day they are both quality at this level. Exactly right.
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