Stevosevic Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Since Micky Adams we havn't really been that dangerous from corners and free kicks apart from McAuley and Kisnorbo, will that change this year? Looking at the players bought in - Kishishev doesn't score goals, Cort will be a threat and am i right in thinking N'Gotty will be dangerous? I havn't really been able to find any stats on Hellings, hes a reasonably tall lad though, as is Sappleton but it is unclear whether he will feature heavily. Set pieces are vital in winning games of football and would like to see us scoring more goals from them again, is MA looking to be a threat from corners next season or will he be concentrating on open play? However we currently lack a player with a decent delivery - expecting that to change though. Discuss
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Since Micky Adams we havn't really been that dangerous from corners and free kicks apart from McAuley and Kisnorbo, will that change this year?Looking at the players bought in - Kishishev doesn't score goals, Cort will be a threat and am i right in thinking N'Gotty will be dangerous? I havn't really been able to find any stats on Hellings, hes a reasonably tall lad though, as is Sappleton but it is unclear whether he will feature heavily. Set pieces are vital in winning games of football and would like to see us scoring more goals from them again, is MA looking to be a threat from corners next season or will he be concentrating on open play? However we currently lack a player with a decent delivery - expecting that to change though. Discuss I think we should buy some salmon for our set peices, they remind me of Les Ferdinand
dandannieldanok Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 You are right, we have been crap at them since Adams and although this may sound insignificant but the players should spend 20 minutes a day at training working out how to use throwings to our advantage.
Micky Ruddle Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 If i remember quite rightly, we was once regarded as one of the best set piece teams in the country. Izzet, Guppy, Parker...
Joe. Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 I don't think it's the players getting on the end of the free kicks- we have players with ability to win headers and score goals. We just lack a decent set piece taker. At the moment, I'd probably say our best is Porter, and he is just too temperamental. I don't think we've actually had a quality set piece taker since Izzet left the club.
Kent Fox Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Set pieces were what we did really well under MON. They saved us and gave us glory on many an ocassion. Long Live the Set Piece!
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Set pieces were what we did really well under MON.They saved us and gave us glory on many an ocassion. Long Live the Set Piece! Only because we had players who weren't scared to go in for the ball i.e Taggart, Elliot...the gradient of success at set peices is greater when you have committed players. Fact
Durnerz Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 The Key is in the delivery. If thats good enough it wont take one of our lads to get on the end of it, it could go in off the oppo's arse.
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 If i remember quite rightly, we was once regarded as one of the best set piece teams in the country. Izzet, Guppy, Parker... Which is why everyone moans about them so much IMO. Now we're just average.
dandannieldanok Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 We used to be able to defend them quite successfully too, now it is a major weakness.
Joe. Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 If i remember quite rightly, we was once regarded as one of the best set piece teams in the country. Izzet, Guppy, Parker... Well we probably were when we were in the Premiership. The season we got relegated, Izzet finished top in the Premiership's assist charts. This was mainly due to the quality of his set pieces, and the amount of goals we scored from them.
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 We used to be able to defend them quite successfully too, now it is a major weakness. Only because we had players who weren't scared to go in for the ball i.e Taggart, Elliot...the gradient of success at defending set peices is greater when you have committed players and some tall c*nts. Fact
Simon Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Well we probably were when we were in the Premiership. The season we got relegated, Izzet finished top in the Premiership's assist charts. This was mainly due to the quality of his set pieces, and the amount of goals we scored from them. That's probably because he had to work extra hard because of the sack of shit that he was playing alongside in midfield! As for set pieces currently, they need to be better this season. So many wasted deliveries last season it was unbelievable- we had the players to score them, but we just didn't have a decent delivery. I'm not convinced we yet have the players to provide these deliveries.
lcfc2k Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 I agree, even Arsene Wenger quoted to saying that we were one of the best set piece sides in Europe!!!
Pete_foxes Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Forest fans think that he will sign a short term contract to stay with them today. If i remember quite rightly, we was once regarded as one of the best set piece teams in the country. Izzet, Guppy, Parker... Thats right. I remember a manager saying we were one of the best in the world at set pieces. I'm sure of it. We were definatly not a danger from any set piece. No one could whip a good ball in. If i remember correct Williams never used to pump it in the box. He just floated it right into the goalie every single time Also I only remember us scoring one direct free kick Newton against Brum. Definatly needs looking at, it can get you out of jail when you need it.
lee7 Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 hopefully we will be better at set pieces this season we've brought in a few tall players but now we need someone who can take a free kick like hendrie or someone else
Jonbluefox9 Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 I'm sure that Martin Allen said in his interview with Barber on Radio Leicester that set pieces will be a major area of focus for him during pre-season. Personally I don't think enough work was done on set pieces in recent seasons. Past managers have all identified it as a problem but have failed to come up with a solution. Ultimately the delivery is down to the set piece taker but often the takers and awaiting scorers have seemed to be on totally different wavelengths which would appear to indicate that not enough was being done at the training ground to get orgnised in these situations.
Scow Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Just as long as Craig Levein-esque full blown zonal marking doesn't creep back in, I'll be happy.
He's not bald Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Just as long as Craig Levein-esque full blown zonal marking doesn't creep back in, I'll be happy. O yeah...Levein's "full court press"...such memories!
Mikey Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 I agree, even Arsene Wenger quoted to saying that we were one of the best set piece sides in Europe!!! Yeah, he said we were equivalent to Real Madrid at set-pieces in an interview. :cool:
Wils Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Ive mentioned this before about not making enough from free kicks and corners. I think this is a big factor,we need someone who can put a good corner in and actually beat the first man,since Muzzy theres been no-one who has done this for us. Suprising how many goals can come from set peices.
Father Ted Posted 29 June 2007 Posted 29 June 2007 Since Micky Adams we havn't really been that dangerous from corners and free kicks apart from McAuley and Kisnorbo, will that change this year?Looking at the players bought in - Kishishev doesn't score goals, Cort will be a threat and am i right in thinking N'Gotty will be dangerous? I havn't really been able to find any stats on Hellings, hes a reasonably tall lad though, as is Sappleton but it is unclear whether he will feature heavily. Set pieces are vital in winning games of football and would like to see us scoring more goals from them again, is MA looking to be a threat from corners next season or will he be concentrating on open play? However we currently lack a player with a decent delivery - expecting that to change though. Discuss We need to get someone who can actually get the ball into the box properly! I know many of you think that Iain Hume is capable of this but he leaps very well and is good at heading and would be a good asset inside the box and to pounce on any loose balls. Apart from that we have nobody. Tiatto has gone to Australia. Don't see Porter playing much. Know nothing about Hellings. Maybe Mattock but yet again I don't see him being a first-team regular, any thoughts?
Simi Posted 30 June 2007 Posted 30 June 2007 It was really frustrating last year to see our corner takers failing to beat the first man from a corner. As has been said, we used to be extremely strong from set pieces, but lately not only have we failed to deliver them well, but we can't defend them. I'm sure this will be an area Allen will look to put a lot of work into.
Thracian Posted 30 June 2007 Posted 30 June 2007 There are 5 requirements for a good free kick: Delivery, timing, movement, threat alternatives and finish. Unfortunately you need to get most of the five right every time and we didn't have either the personnel nor the sustained practice to do that . Whoever is responsible for delivery has to be thoughtful, accurate and able to be relied on. Serious fault one. Timing is crucial and needs to be continually rehearsed. Ours was ordinary. Movement has to be varied and purposeful. Ours was sometimes okay but we didn't carry the necessary all round threat. Threat needs to be far post, near post, outside the box and in the centre. Ours was basically far post. Serious fault two. We only finished from one area and one type of free kick really. serious fault three. Our work on the training ground was forever being referred to but it rarely seemed apparent that we'd done anything thoughtful or aimed specifically at improving our faults. How many near post goals did we score? How many from passes laid back to just outside the box? How many alternative deliveries did we try? Very few. Worse still this was all mentioned and emphasised early last season and the one before. We simply didn't put any of it right.
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