Anyone else concerned?

[Stevosevic]

I know it's early days but i can see us having another season languishing in the bottom half of the table, something we did not expect to happen under MM. Let's be honest we havn't had a hard start to the season.

Blackpool - should be taking at least a point against a newly promoted side.

Crystal Palace - at the time it seemed a decent point, should have been three, but it would seem they have a poor side this year.

Watford - brilliant

Plymouth = decent point without a manager.

QPR - terrible result against a terrible team.

So five games gone and we have taken just six points, and with Charlton next week we could be in the relegation zone. Is it too early to be concerned or do you agree? Have your expectations changed from the beginning of the season? Do you expect another poor season?

[Mikey]

I know it's early days but i can see us having another season languishing in the bottom half of the table, something we did not expect to happen under MM. Let's be honest we havn't had a hard start to the season.

Blackpool - should be taking at least a point against a newly promoted side.

Crystal Palace - at the time it seemed a decent point, should have been three, but it would seem they have a poor side this year.

Watford - brilliant

Plymouth = decent point without a manager.

QPR - terrible result against a terrible team.

So five games gone and we have taken just six points, and with Charlton next week we could be in the relegation zone. Is it too early to be concerned or do you agree? Have your expectations changed from the beginning of the season? Do you expect another poor season?

No. It will come good.

[NFFC Chris]

5 games no need to panic,the only reason you've had a mixed start because Mandaric has been messing around with the management team,after 10 games with Megson expect some consistancy.

[Joe.]

Definitely too early yet. We've played 5 games, that means there are 41 more games to go.

Look on the bright side, we have a new team who are potentially very good. The results will come eventually

[mat_j101]

Way too early. There are only eleven points between top and bottom at the moment. If Megson gets them playing OK we will have a decent season. Look at Sunderland last season. They didnt get going for quite a while last season and look what happened there. We wont do that well, but we could easily be top 8ish

[BigGibbo]

Concerned yes only because of megsons never changing tactics & predictable approaches to certain situations but im still pretty sure we'll not be in any sort of relegation fight i think we will still end up around 10th position as i predicted at the start!

[NFFC Chris]

Concerned yes only because of megsons never changing tactics & predictable approaches to certain situations but im still pretty sure we'll not be in any sort of relegation fight i think we will still end up around 10th position as i predicted at the start!

Never changing tactics and predictable approaches that got West Brom out of this league twice?Give him a chance at least!

[Lineker's Left Foot]

5 games no need to panic,the only reason you've had a mixed start because Mandaric has been messing around with the management team,after 10 games with Megson expect some consistancy.

Tell you what mate, you seem only the decent second Forest fan I've met.. if you go on the Football forum or Football Mad Boards, F*rest fans are constantly having a moan/laugh at us... I know it's only banter, but it is nice to have decent fans give views on the forums rather than derogatory ones all of the time mate - I think most other City fans agree. I mean I know five real sound D*rby fans too !!

[BigGibbo]

Never changing tactics and predictable approaches that got West Brom out of this league twice?Give him a chance at least!

Oh i know don't get me wrong im hoping he'll come good for us & am giving him a chance.

Im just a lttle worried about the quality of football were likely to see with him in charge & how much his defending deep when were 1 up tactic will cost us!

[Jack]

We have shown what we are capable of we outplayed arguably the best team in the league (Watford) so i see no reason to be concerned at this early stage.

[l444ry]

Oh i know don't get me wrong im hoping he'll come good for us & am giving him a chance.

Im just a lttle worried about the quality of football were likely to see with him in charge & how much his defending deep when were 1 up tactic will cost us!

Where do you get the idea it was Megson who told them to defend deep? As far as I can see, this problem has been apparent long before he arrived. Perhaps it's one example to support Megson's belief that this team doesn't know how to win.

[Fez of Mahrez]

The division is still tight. You can't really tell much yet at all.

Leigertwood's shot goes the other side of the post, people are talking about promotion. That's how tight this division is at the moment. After the Charlton game we have two home games in the space of four days. More than four points from the next three games and I will be reasonably happy.

[BigGibbo]

Where do you get the idea it was Megson who told them to defend deep? As far as I can see, this problem has been apparent long before he arrived. Perhaps it's one example in defence of Megson's belief that this team doesn't know how to win.

If you were at the ground aside to the problems before this game you would have clearly seen that the team fell apart as soon as Megson did his reshuffle. We were still attacking quite convincingly until then & all of a sudden we were defending deep as i know he has nearly always done it was no coincidence!

[l444ry]

If you were at the ground aside to the problems before this game you would have clearly seen that the team fell apart as soon as Megson did his reshuffle. We were still attacking quite convincingly until then & all of a sudden we were defending deep as i know he has nearly always done it was no coincidence!

I accept all that but perhaps Megson didn't expect the players to react as they did. These players appear to be mentally and psychologically weak. They do not appear to have the wit to adjust when the opposition changes tack. To be honest, QPR would probably say that they dominated how the game was played by allowing City to come at them. And when they decided to come out and play after the goal, they dominated how the game was played then as well.

[DB11]

It should have been 3 points against QPR but bad defending and poor concentration cost us. That and a very good strike from the QPR player.

Blackpool wanted it more and the players probably thought that it would be easy as they'd be in awe of us etc. - boy were they wrong!

Plymouth and Crystal Palace are just those games that could either go one way or the other so at least we got points there

It will come soon

[BigGibbo]

I accept all that but perhaps Megson didn't expect the players to react as they did. These players appear to be mentally and psychologically weak. They do not appear to have the wit to adjust when the opposition changes tack. To be honest, QPR would probably say that they dominated how the game was played by allowing City to come at them. And when they decided to come out and play after the goal, they dominated how the game was played then as well.

The only reason they were allowed forward was a result of Megsons tactical & personal change it wasn't QPR's change of tact that we couldn't adjust to it was ours!

As far as the mental strength hopefully Frank Burrows & Taggs & hopefully if it wasn't just spin Elliot & Izzet will between them easily eradicate this!

[lookwhaticando]

It should have been 3 points against QPR but bad defending and poor concentration cost us. That and a very good strike from the QPR player.

Are you Craig Levein in disguise?

[Thracian]

I accept all that but perhaps Megson didn't expect the players to react as they did. These players appear to be mentally and psychologically weak. They do not appear to have the wit to adjust when the opposition changes tack. To be honest, QPR would probably say that they dominated how the game was played by allowing City to come at them. And when they decided to come out and play after the goal, they dominated how the game was played then as well.

Megson's the one who's mentally weak. No manager worth his job blames the players before himself anyway.

But it was his weak and insipid tactics which showed so little faith in the players - who were doing fine - and who instead voluntarily conceded the initiative with two totally illogical and entirely negative substitutions.

The video of the game should be sent to the coaching office as a first class example of what NOT to do when you get a lead.

Indeed it should be compulsory viewing.

[Guest]

Megson's the one who's mentally weak. No manager worth his job blames the players before himself anyway.

Exsqueeze me?

I can think of a number of circumstances where the players might be deserving of blame from their manager. If the performance had been electrifying, and the result a good 'un, you wouldn't complain if he were to heap praise upon them.

But it was his weak and insipid tactics which showed so little faith in the players - who were doing fine - and who instead voluntarily conceded the initiative with two totally illogical and entirely negative substitutions.

The video of the game should be sent to the coaching office as a first class example of what NOT to do when you get a lead.

Indeed it should be compulsory viewing.

Whilst I wonder how much of a backseat Megson took yesterday, Rudkin and Beaglehole were supposed to be in charge. Does the possibilty that they may have ballsed up in front of the new man not occur to you?

[BigGibbo]

Whilst I wonder how much of a backseat Megson took yesterday, Rudkin and Beaglehole were supposed to be in charge. Does the possibilty that they may have ballsed up in front of the new man not occur to you?

No

were you there?

[Guest]

No

where you there?

Where I there? Where I there what?

[Thracian]

Exsqueeze me?

I can think of a number of circumstances where the players might be deserving of blame from their manager. If the performance had been electrifying, and the result a good 'un, you wouldn't complain if he were to heap praise upon them.

Whilst I wonder how much of a backseat Megson took yesterday, Rudkin and Beaglehole were supposed to be in charge. Does the possibilty that they may have ballsed up in front of the new man not occur to you?

I didn't say he shouldn't criticise the players - but that he should look to himself first.

As for yesterday's tactics it is clearly Megson's watch now. And our tactics when we took the lead - and the resulting substitutions, seemed to have Megson's mark all over them.

You imply that somehow I wouldn't be critical if Rudkin or Beaglehole had been responsible.

Totally untrue. I was critical of Beaglehole last week (whether he was influenced by MM or not). I couldn't believe he was responsible for such an unexpansive and unambitious game - from the radio report and the response of the fans who went.

The positive, attacking style I want has nothing to do with which individual occupies the manager's chair. And if Megson ever shows himself bold enough to go down that route then he'll have my backing.

[BigGibbo]

Where I there? Where I there what?

At the game?

As it was extremely obvious that all decisions after the opening whistle where primarily Megsons & they were typical of him

[Guest]

I didn't say he shouldn't criticise the players - but that he should look to himself first.

Your post inferred that the players shouldn't have been blamed. All I've read is that it's Smegson's fault. Chances are that it is, but I just wanted to put across the theory that it wasn't supposed to be. He wasn't supposed to have had any involvement at all.

I do wonder that if we had have won, would there be so much criticism of Smegson's involvement at all.

At the game?

As it was extremely obvious that all decisions after the opening whistle where primarily Megsons & they were typical of him

What do you think

Whilst I wonder how much of a backseat Megson took yesterday

is on about?

Do you think I was wandering around Fosse Park contemplating the possibility?

I was merely hypothesizing for the purpose of debate. Thracian tends to see things very black and white, and I enjoy the challenge of making the grey bits even more greyer (he hasn't worked this out yet though).

Besides, Smegson only came in on Friday. If he had as much control over proceedings as it looked (and I did question this at the time), someone somewhere has made a huge gaff.

[BigGibbo]

Your post inferred that the players shouldn't have been blamed. All I've read is that it's Smegson's fault. Chances are that it is, but I just wanted to put across the theory that it wasn't supposed to be. He wasn't supposed to have had any involvement at all.

I do wonder that if we had have won, would there be so much criticism of Smegson's involvement at all.

What do you think

is on about?

Do you think I was wandering around Fosse Park contemplating the possibility?

I was merely hypothesizing for the purpose of debate. Thracian tends to see things very black and white, and I enjoy the challenge of making the grey bits even more greyer (he hasn't worked this out yet though).

Besides, Smegson only came in on Friday. If he had as much control over proceedings as it looked (and I did question this at the time), someone somewhere has made a huge gaff.

I think probably not oh & then i read the last sentence & think yes