Extra time pays for Sheehan

[The People's Hero]

Good game on Saturday.

Worst game I've ever seen a professional footballer play against Charlton.

One swallow does not a summer make, Thracian.

He's a defender and until he learns to defend, he will be criticised.

Now get over it and stop sulking that not everyone loves them. Some people can see through your ridiculous rhetoric and form their own opinions and guess what? Just because they don't have a notebook to write it in, doesn't make them any less valid.

[Thracian]

He's done OK this season. Obviously defensively he needs hell of a lot of improvments, but his set pieces are essential for us at the moment. However, Joe Mattock is the better player over-all. And since we playing 3-5-2, Mattock is the first in the line for me. Stephen Clemence can deliver a ball too, not far behind Sheehan.

Mattock this season: Goals - nil.

Direct Assists:...............................nil (that I can remember).

Sheehan: Goals: two.

Direct Assists: ..........................: three.

You could try goals conceded when in the team.

Points won when in the team.

Anything else you like cos I can't be bothered.

But I would love to know the criteria you used for that comment.

As I have mentioned before. Not one Leicester player has a better record of games won/drawn compared with games lost than Sheehan.

And the more times he plays the less of a fluke that seems to me.

I have nothing whatsover against Mattock. He's a good player.

I'd perhaps argue on his behalf that he's had one less bad game than Sheehan this season.

But otherwise the argument that he's "better" is simply not bourne out by the facts.

[Thracian]

Good game on Saturday.

Worst game I've ever seen a professional footballer play against Charlton.

One swallow does not a summer make, Thracian.

He's a defender and until he learns to defend, he will be criticised.

Now get over it and stop sulking that not everyone loves them. Some people can see through your ridiculous rhetoric and form their own opinions and guess what? Just because they don't have a notebook to write it in, doesn't make them any less valid.

You will criticise him whatever - and "guess what" is so appropriate where you are concerned.

[The People's Hero]

Someone close this.

I'm sure this is somewhere else for Thracian to bang on and on and on and on about Leicester's favourite defender with absolutely no defensive qualities whatsoever.

[Thracian]

Someone close this.

I'm sure this is somewhere else for Thracian to bang on and on and on and on about Leicester's favourite defender with absolutely no defensive qualities whatsoever.

Someone close this, someone close this. Why would anyone act on your advice? You should have been a Labour politician. You could have told everyone whats good for them, what to do and what will happen if they don't.

Not that I'd be unahppy were the thread closed. Anything to save me from more of your always negative bullshit.

[Manwell Pablo]

Mattock this season: Goals - nil.

Direct Assists:...............................nil (that I can remember).

Sheehan: Goals: two.

Direct Assists: ..........................: three.

You could try goals conceded when in the team.

Points won when in the team.

Anything else you like cos I can't be bothered.

But I would love to know the criteria you used for that comment.

As I have mentioned before. Not one Leicester player has a better record of games won/drawn compared with games lost than Sheehan.

And the more times he plays the less of a fluke that seems to me.

I have nothing whatsover against Mattock. He's a good player.

I'd perhaps argue on his behalf that he's had one less bad game than Sheehan this season.

But otherwise the argument that he's "better" is simply not bourne out by the facts.

Well it is bourne out of facts, what it isn't bourne out of is your stats, and you can prove anything with stats.

The fact is that he generally plays better than Sheehan. Sheehans been playing left wing and has been taking all our set pieces (which no one is denying he is good at) so is bound to pick up the odd goal or assist.

[The People's Hero]

If proof of worth is goals and assists, could we revisit last season's argument of how Hammond is amazing, Thracian?

Because I seem to remember at the time that the hallmark of a good player was being 'difficult to play against' and being caught offside a lot.

Strange how these things change.

[Guest]

Why? Clem did at Palace what Sheehan did at Hillsborough.

Hello.....

[Koke]

Mattock this season: Goals - nil.

Direct Assists:...............................nil (that I can remember).

Sheehan: Goals: two.

Direct Assists: ..........................: three.

You could try goals conceded when in the team.

Points won when in the team.

Anything else you like cos I can't be bothered.

But I would love to know the criteria you used for that comment.

As I have mentioned before. Not one Leicester player has a better record of games won/drawn compared with games lost than Sheehan.

And the more times he plays the less of a fluke that seems to me.

I have nothing whatsover against Mattock. He's a good player.

I'd perhaps argue on his behalf that he's had one less bad game than Sheehan this season.

But otherwise the argument that he's "better" is simply not bourne out by the facts.

Sheehan takes all our free kicks and corners so of course he's bound to get more assists and goals than Mattock who takes **** all. Thrac, I hope we watching the same games. Mattock is superior to Sheehan defensivly, he closes down his man a lot quicker and better than Sheehan does. And going forward he supports the attack incredibly well. What Sheehan has on him is the sweet balls into the box and his deadly free kicks.

You can't use stats for everything. If so, how would you explain Elvis' 8 goals in nearly 60 games for Leicester?

[The People's Hero]

You can't use stats for everything. If so, how would you explain Elvis' 8 goals in nearly 60 games for Leicester?

Whoa whoa whoa whoa Samir!

Hold your horses mate.

You're not including the ones he's scored when he's been offside or the ones he'd doubtless have scored extra if playing alongside Superstar Dodds and not Patheticflop Fryatt.

Tsk tsk.

You've not been paying attention in Mr Thracian's lectures have you?

[andyh1884]

Taking a corner isn't hard you just have to put it in the right area. It doesn't require an expert, it certainly doesn't require playing a player with severe defensive limitations just because he can take them.

Not sure about that. We've looked poor from corners for a few years, it used to be our speciality but recently it's become rarer & rarer that we score from them, until this season. Not since the days of Guppy have we had anyone who could put a decent corner in. Even Muzzy invariably failed to get them past the first man.

[Joe.]

Taking a corner isn't hard you just have to put it in the right area. It doesn't require an expert, it certainly doesn't require playing a player with severe defensive limitations just because he can take them.

It shouldn't be but it seems what we've had for the last few seasons make it look hard.

Any professional footballer these days should surely be able to at least beat a first man.

[Manwell Pablo]

Not sure about that. We've looked poor from corners for a few years, it used to be our speciality but recently it's become rarer & rarer that we score from them, until this season. Not since the days of Guppy have we had anyone who could put a decent corner in. Even Muzzy invariably failed to get them past the first man.

Kisnorbo, McAuley, and Nissa got about 13/14 goals from set pieces last season!

[Geo V]

Does anyone know how may goals we scored for set-pieces last season? I know Kisnorbo got a shed few and other defenders were scoring and we had no so called specialist set-piece taker then.

Fair play to Sheehan for staying behind and doing extra training as it means he "wants it" but I like many others have already mentioned, he is weak in a few attributes including defending so will need to improve. Im not suggesting for a second he wont get there are there are plenty of players I can think of who were terrible at defending from the left-side when they were 21 like Ashley Cole and Wayne Bridge to name but two and they have gone on to be good at the defenders who understand what the position entails.

I think thats why I harp on about loaning out kids first really instead of throwing them straight into the team. Its because they will undoubtedly make more mistakes than the more senior pro`s and usually their naivety ends up costing us dearly. Obviously you get exceptions to the rule and one or two come through and look instantly at home in the first team like say Weso has done but the experience from going out on loan and learning from the mistakes made in someone elses team to me is vital.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Mattock has actually taken a lot of set pieces recently when Sheehan and Clemence haven't been in the team and they have looked really good.

[Flynny]

Mattock has actually taken a lot of set pieces recently when Sheehan and Clemence haven't been in the team and they have looked really good.

Excellent point. The balls he put in against Stoke looked quality.

[Manwell Pablo]

Mattock has actually taken a lot of set pieces recently when Sheehan and Clemence haven't been in the team and they have looked really good.

Missed those games

[andyh1884]

Kisnorbo, McAuley, and Nissa got about 13/14 goals from set pieces last season!

Granted, that seems a fair amount, it's just that from what I remember, the delivery has been piss-poor for a long time. It's something I've been moaning about for several seasons. Obviously there have been a few occasions where we've scored from set pieces but the standard in general hasn't been great

[Ric Flair]

If we could have rolling subs, Sheehan would be perfect for this. To bring on when we have a corner or a free-kick within striking distance of goal. In open play, however he's not as good as Joe Mattock. Mattock is the more complete footballer, he's quicker, more aggressive, a better passer, a hell of a better defender and he get's forward more. Thracian mistakes Sheehan's assists from corners and goals from free-kicks as Sheehan being more attack minded, when it's nothing of the sort.

From open play, Sheehan is less attacking than Nils-Eric Johansson was for us. He can't beat a man and his passing is indifferent. This isn't another mindless bit of criticism because I like some of the things Sheehan brings to the table, but as a left wing back, i'm unconvinced. It's a difficult position to master and he's neither here nor there with it. Just like he's not a left winger and he's not really a quality left back.

He's a set piece master.

[Guest]

If we could have rolling subs, Sheehan would be perfect for this. To bring on when we have a corner or a free-kick within striking distance of goal. In open play, however he's not as good as Joe Mattock. Mattock is the more complete footballer, he's quicker, more aggressive, a better passer, a hell of a better defender and he get's forward more. Thracian mistakes Sheehan's assists from corners and goals from free-kicks as Sheehan being more attack minded, when it's nothing of the sort.

From open play, Sheehan is less attacking than Nils-Eric Johansson was for us. He can't beat a man and his passing is indifferent. This isn't another mindless bit of criticism because I like some of the things Sheehan brings to the table, but as a left wing back, i'm unconvinced. It's a difficult position to master and he's neither here nor there with it. Just like he's not a left winger and he's not really a quality left back.

He's a set piece master.

Sounds a bit like Beckham then.

Especially if he is taking the time to work on his set pieces.

[Scow]

cant understand why nils eric and tiatto played in front of this guy.

they were shit defensively and useless on the ball.

Oi, leave Skills out of this.

Skills was the best defender by far. When he got running down the left no one could stop the bugger - like an express train.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Oi, leave Skills out of this.

Skills was the best defender by far. When he got running down the left no one could stop the bugger - like an express train.

A runaway express train hurtling towards impending death and destruction.

[Ric Flair]

Sounds a bit like Beckham then.

Especially if he is taking the time to work on his set pieces.

Oh god, don't tell ThracAlan that!

[Scow]

A runaway express train hurtling towards impending death and destruction.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Nils-Eric really DRIVES you wild doesn't he.