Extra time pays for Sheehan

[The People's Hero]

You make several fine points and I concede that Sheehan may improve.

Fact is, his defensive work has not improved at all in the years he's been figuring as part of the 1st team.

In addition, Guppy's defensive work and workrate was never that poor. Granted he had 3 combative midfielders in the middle who no doubt helped out in terms of squeezing the space and 3 good centre halves behind him (often meaning at least one spare man) to cover behind. Guppy never looked seriously poor defensively in THE PREMIERSHIP, whilst Sheehan in a defensive capacity looks out of his depth in THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

I'm not arguing with you here - or even disagreeing, think your post was excellent, but believe it might be beneficial to consider the points I've made alongside the ones you have.

[harry]

I think that's fair enough and yes, you're right, that defensive side of things needs some work and quick. With the right tuition in the right areas he could come a long way. And yes it's true that Guppy was doing a better job defensively in the top flight (though not at 21). But I think there's grounds for optimism with Sheehan, especially because he is likely to improve all-round a lot more than in previous years so long as he gets the experience.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think that's fair enough and yes, you're right, that defensive side of things needs some work and quick. With the right tuition in the right areas he could come a long way. And yes it's true that Guppy was doing a better job defensively in the top flight (though not at 21). But I think there's grounds for optimism with Sheehan, especially because he is likely to improve all-round a lot more than in previous years so long as he gets the experience.

But we have Mattock, whos 17 and more of a complete player. Sheehan is going to be needed this season, or at up to Christmas at least, as Mattock is far too young to be playing every game and in our current formation we have no other suitable player for left wing back. I still believe we should sign another one and I'm still annoyed we didn't go in for Tony Calpaldi.

[harry]

Well if we ultimately revert to 4-4-2 and play Sheehan in the more advanced role, we will need a new left back, just to make the numbers up if nothing else. And if he's deemed unfit for that role we'll need a new left winger, simple as. I don't think it'd do us any harm to bring in a new face there, even though I'm a big fan of both Sheehan and Mattock AND I believe there are other priority areas. However I do have a problem with dropping young players for inferior older players, which has been something of a policy since Dave Bassett's decision to leave Piper on the sidelines.

As for Sheehan vs Mattock, at the moment we're not conceding too many goals and many of our goals this season have owed a lot to Sheehan, as such I'd give him another crack. That certainly doesn't mean he's superior, not by any stretch.

[mancunianfox]

In Mattock we have a promising player who is likely to improve - one for the future who should be protected and not burnt out (as Stearman arguably was). Sheehan is older and doesn't seem to show signs of improving on his weaknesses. Having said that he does make an important contribution to the team in providing and even scoring goals from set pieces.

In a 4-4-2 I would definately favour Mattock for his defensive ability, but in 5-3-2, especially away from home I would favour Sheehan just because his set piece delivary could easily be the difference needed to sneak an away win. Either way both have something to offer and I hope both prove do really well for the club.

[Thracian]

Grrrrr

We don't concead many beacuse we have a team full of defenders, one of which is covers him for 90 minutes, he's not that much of an attacking threat to warrant playing him and a minder!

Good job players are coverin for each other. They are supposed to, constantly.

Not much of an attacking threat? He might easily have had one goal and three assists on Saturday alone which is more than Nils managed in a season!

[Manwell Pablo]

Good job players are coverin for each other. They are supposed to, constantly.

Not much of an attacking threat? He might easily have had one goal and three assists on Saturday alone which is more than Nils managed in a season!

SET PIECES WE KNOW HE CAN TAKE SET PIECES! STOP SAYING THE SAME THING

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AGAIN!

[Thracian]

SET PIECES WE KNOW HE CAN TAKE SET PIECES! STOP SAYING THE SAME THING

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AGAIN!

His pass to Campbell wasn't a set piece you just chose to ignore it.

The real truth is that you and TPH (who's hardly seen the bloke) have long had a down on Sheehan (as much to fan conflict with me as anything) but the guy has clearly come through to be a valued and useful member of the first team squad and you're finding it hard to swallow.

I can't be bothered to argue with TPH because, apart from his childish and also repetitive name-calling, which broadly suits himself as much as anyone, he has such a negative and jaundiced view and so little that he truly bases it on, that it's not worth the effort.

However, I know he's a pal of yours and that you like the guy so your riding alongside him does you credit. But I do give thanks that there have been some interesting and relevent observations from other posters among all the predictable stirring.

[Fez of Mahrez]

His pass to Campbell wasn't a set piece you just chose to ignore it.

The real truth is that you and TPH (who's hardly seen the bloke) have long had a down on Sheehan (as much to fan conflict with me as anything) but the guy has clearly come through to be a valued and useful member of the first team squad and you're finding it hard to swallow.

Bit ironic don't you think seeing as you keep mentioning his performances that you haven't seen (Plymouth, Charlton, Sheffield Wednesday) including this apparently spectacular pass for Campbell on Saturday.

[Manwell Pablo]

His pass to Campbell wasn't a set piece you just chose to ignore it.

The real truth is that you and TPH (who's hardly seen the bloke) have long had a down on Sheehan (as much to fan conflict with me as anything) but the guy has clearly come through to be a valued and useful member of the first team squad and you're finding it hard to swallow.

No not at all your blowing a pretty good turn out for Sheehan into some sort of motm award, when in truth YOU weren't even there! his pass to campbell was quite intelligent but hardly a telling defense splitting ball. Both his corners were put in the right areas but he didn't do anything Clemance didn't do against Palace and he's free kick went wide! so what if he had a shot from a free kick that went wide? I can hit a free kick wide! Well done AL! The second half we were under pressure on the left and James Chambers had to work his socks off closing down while Alan Sheehan stood off not marking anyone on the edge of our box playing the whole of the Sheffield Wednesday front line onside and this is how we nearly conceaded!!!

Sheehans in the team because we have a horrible lack of alerternatives bar one 17 year old lad who can't play every game, sooner we sign someone better, well....the better!!

[Thracian]

No not at all your blowing a pretty good turn out for Sheehan into some sort of motm award, when in truth YOU weren't even there! his pass to campbell was quite intelligent but hardly a telling defense splitting ball. Both his corners were put in the right areas but he didn't do anything Clemance didn't do against Palace and he's free kick went wide! so what if he had a shot from a free kick that went wide? I can hit a free kick wide! Well done AL! The second half we were under pressure on the left and James Chambers had to work his socks off closing down while Alan Sheehan stood off not marking anyone on the edge of our box playing the whole of the Sheffield Wednesday front line onside and this is how we nearly conceaded!!!

Sheehans in the team because we have a horrible lack of alerternatives bar one 17 year old lad who can't play every game, sooner we sign someone better, well....the better!!

Sheehan's in the team because he's played a part in five of the goals we've scored so far this season - and that's a lot for a defender.

[Manwell Pablo]

Sheehan's in the team because he's played a part in five of the goals we've scored so far this season - and that's a lot for a defender.

Really I thought he was in the team because we were resting Joe Mattock who had good games against Stoke and Wolves, who got his place back off Alan Sheehan as he was by all accouants absloutley crap against Charlton.

I bet he wasn't crap against Charlton though eh, I bet Fez just said to wind you up and Megson dropped him because he's jealous of his flowing jet black hair.

[The People's Hero]

Every time I've seen him he's been appalling. Perhaps he just gets nervous when I'm there.

I'm certainly not going to turn up every week just to justify my opinion to you Thracian. You've shown that a man can watch as much football as he likes and still not have a clue.

[Manwell Pablo]

Every time I've seen him he's been appalling. Perhaps he just gets nervous when I'm there.

I'm certainly not going to turn up every week just to justify my opinion to you Thracian. You've shown that a man can watch as much football as he likes and still not have a clue.

He did look alright against Forest and Wednesday I do have to say. He even skinned someone on Saturday even if it was only Akpo Sodje.

[The People's Hero]

He did look alright against Forest and Wednesday I do have to say. He even skinned someone on Saturday even if it was only Akpo Sodje.

Fair enough - I don't dispute that.

I'm just playing by Thracian's rules of only comment on what I've seen - which is what I'm doing.

The only game I've been to this year is Charlton away (I know, I know - rubbish fan) and he was sh it there. Appalling.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Fair enough - I don't dispute that.

I'm just playing by Thracian's rules of only comment on what I've seen - which is what I'm doing.

The only game I've been to this year is Charlton away (I know, I know - rubbish fan) and he was sh it there. Appalling.

By those rules he never passed to DJ Campbell on Saturday as far as Thracian is concerned.

[The People's Hero]

By those rules he never passed to DJ Campbell on Saturday as far as Thracian is concerned.

I'm completely fed up of arguing about Sheehan I really am.

He needs to improve defensively and on his attacking game (open play wise).

He might do that, he might not, either way, he's not the worst player we've ever had and he's not going to be the best either.

I personally don't think he'll be here that much longer, once Megson gets a bit of cash, I think he'll strengthen there and perhaps even turn us back in to a 4-4-2 team - but this is not only fairly immaterial and redundant speculation, it is just my opinion.

For the record, I hope he is working hard at his game and hope that he can fine tune some parts of his game whilst undertaking a complete overhaul in others because one thing is certain - there is ability there and we've lacked a set piece taker of genuine ability for a long long time.

[Koke]

Sheehan is an alright player, but there is a lot of improvement to be done. I'm sure Megson has noticed that as well.

Are we on the same page on that Thrac?

The Mattock-is-better-than-Sheehan arguments or vice versa will never end and its doing my ****ing head in.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm completely fed up of arguing about Sheehan I really am.

He needs to improve defensively and on his attacking game (open play wise).

He might do that, he might not, either way, he's not the worst player we've ever had and he's not going to be the best either.

I personally don't think he'll be here that much longer, once Megson gets a bit of cash, I think he'll strengthen there and perhaps even turn us back in to a 4-4-2 team - but this is not only fairly immaterial and redundant speculation, it is just my opinion.

For the record, I hope he is working hard at his game and hope that he can fine tune some parts of his game whilst undertaking a complete overhaul in others because one thing is certain - there is ability there and we've lacked a set piece taker of genuine ability for a long long time.

Well said.

We all know Levi Porter is the worst player we've had ever.

(ONLY JOKING THRACIAN!......Chris O'Grady maybe)

[Koke]

Chris' hairstyle is a war crime though. He couldn't even sort his hair out, let alone his football abilities.

[Thracian]

Every time I've seen him he's been appalling. Perhaps he just gets nervous when I'm there.

I'm certainly not going to turn up every week just to justify my opinion to you Thracian. You've shown that a man can watch as much football as he likes and still not have a clue.

Could be the strange face in the crowd I suppose.

And please don't worry about justifying your opinion.

You're probably more suited to the world of fiction.

[Dames]

Sheehans a weird player.

He can take a good free kick and corner and also strike a ball fairly well.

But other than that there is no obvious other strengths, the rest of his attributes range from average to poor.

If he wasn't left footed i don't think he would have made it as a professional player, at this level anyway.