Thracian Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Seems that while Cliff Ginnetta's more than happy to voice his own opinions, he's not so keen on other fans having their say (see third paragraph from the end). Pity he didn't expand on why precisely. To me the combined weight of various fans forums reflects the real views of supporters far more accurately than those of a single spokesman. Anyway Steve Pumfrey writes in the Blue Army Website (ironically): A supporters' group leader is urging Leicester City manager Ian Holloway to cherish the fans in the same way he would his players and coaching staff. Lance Tomlyn, chairman of the Independent Supporters Association, believes Holloway needs to have a better understanding of the frustrations being felt by the Blue Army. However, Cliff Ginnetta, chairman of the City Supporters Association, believes Holloway was “spot-on” to criticise the fans who barracked striker Carl Cort during Saturday's home defeat against Southampton. Tomlyn says Holloway's assertion that he wants “cheerers not jeerers” was not well-received by the fans. Tomlyn said: “I still think he will have the supporters behind him against West Brom on Saturday, but he needs to cherish and love the fans in the same way he says he cherishes his players and staff. “I would have liked him to come out and say it was not a very good performance. It was no different to what we've seen under Craig Levein, Rob Kelly and Gary Megson. “He's full of good intentions and says he wants to start with a blank sheet, but the trouble is that's the line we've heard from the past five managers. “The fans are incredibly frustrated at all these new beginnings which have become false dawns. We all want to throw ourselves into it, but it's difficult when we have a new manager once a month. “I just feel he needs to appreciate what we've experienced. The fans are not particularly against him or individual players, they are just frustrated about the situation.” Tomlyn said he was also confused about the fitness levels of the under-fire Cort. “I don't know what the situation is with Cort,” said Tomlyn. “It was reported on Friday that he has been training, but then we're told he climbed off the treatment table to play. “The fans have seen Cort a few times now and on Saturday I don't think he was any better or any worse than he had been in previous games.” Ginnetta, however, believed Holloway was right to vent his feelings about sections of the crowd whose behaviour he described as “childish”. He said: “I can understand the frustrations because we've been watching dross for the past three seasons, but this is a bright new start.” Ginnetta believes home fans are fickle when it comes to who they favour in the side. “The fans keep baiting one player (Cort) and it's not on. I don't see how it's helping anyone's cause by cheering when he was substituted. Iain Hume missed a sitter, but they don't get on at him.” Ginnetta also believes forums, websites and phone-ins also fan the flames of disapproval, and he had a blast at City legend and Leicester Mercury columnist Steve Walsh. He said: “Walshy is on local radio helping with the Saturday afternoon commentaries, and he has been stirring things up with comments which are bang out of order.” Matt Davis, a Foxes Trust board member, says Saturday's reaction by the fans can only pile on the pressure ahead of Saturday's crunch clash with the Baggies. “We have a terrible home record and opposition teams are coming here and fancying their chances,” said Davis. “It must be having a psychological impact on the players and I'd be interested to hear their views.”
Bert Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 So what? If he's allowed his opinion, we're allowed ours.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 He's right... the moaners are always the vocal ones, it's no coincidence that all our fan sites are usually as quiet as a mouse after a win. People are entitled to their opinion, but they need to realise what an effect it actually has on fanning the flames of any dissent. The floating voters and those who aren't up to forming their own opinions are easily swayed... and it's the latter (the kaiebi fan club) that do most of the booing.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 He's right... the moaners are always the vocal ones, it's no coincidence that all our fan sites are usually as quiet as a mouse after a win. People are entitled to their opinion, but they need to realise what an effect it actually has on fanning the flames of any dissent. The floating voters and those who aren't up to forming their own opinions are easily swayed... and it's the latter (the kaiebi fan club) that do most of the booing. tut tut.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 tut tut. He went fishing and caught a fan club member.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 I actually agree with both of them in a way.
Maybes Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 What exactly did Walshy say? Walshy is telling it how it is.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Walshy is telling it how it is. Walsh is a populist.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 What exactly did Walshy say? "I'm better than Olli, i'd never have picked Carl Cort, i'd of done everything that Ollie didn't and we'd win 10-0".... at which point the Kaebi fan club all cheered from their armchairs and proclaimed he should have been the next manager. Am I right? That's a guess.
Maybes Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 "I'm better than Olli, i'd never have picked Carl Cort, i'd of done everything that Ollie didn't and we'd win 10-0".... at which point the Kaebi fan club all cheered from their armchairs and proclaimed he should have been the next manager.Am I right? That's a guess. Not far off. He is so far up his own arse its untrue.
The Stig Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Seems that while Cliff Ginnetta's more than happy to voice his own opinions, he's not so keen on other fans having their say (see third paragraph from the end).Pity he didn't expand on why precisely. To me the combined weight of various fans forums reflects the real views of supporters far more accurately than those of a single spokesman. Anyway Steve Pumfrey writes in the Blue Army Website (ironically): A supporters' group leader is urging Leicester City manager Ian Holloway to cherish the fans in the same way he would his players and coaching staff. Lance Tomlyn, chairman of the Independent Supporters Association, believes Holloway needs to have a better understanding of the frustrations being felt by the Blue Army. However, Cliff Ginnetta, chairman of the City Supporters Association, believes Holloway was “spot-on†to criticise the fans who barracked striker Carl Cort during Saturday's home defeat against Southampton. Tomlyn says Holloway's assertion that he wants “cheerers not jeerers†was not well-received by the fans. Tomlyn said: “I still think he will have the supporters behind him against West Brom on Saturday, but he needs to cherish and love the fans in the same way he says he cherishes his players and staff. “I would have liked him to come out and say it was not a very good performance. It was no different to what we've seen under Craig Levein, Rob Kelly and Gary Megson. “He's full of good intentions and says he wants to start with a blank sheet, but the trouble is that's the line we've heard from the past five managers. “The fans are incredibly frustrated at all these new beginnings which have become false dawns. We all want to throw ourselves into it, but it's difficult when we have a new manager once a month. “I just feel he needs to appreciate what we've experienced. The fans are not particularly against him or individual players, they are just frustrated about the situation.†Tomlyn said he was also confused about the fitness levels of the under-fire Cort. “I don't know what the situation is with Cort,†said Tomlyn. “It was reported on Friday that he has been training, but then we're told he climbed off the treatment table to play. “The fans have seen Cort a few times now and on Saturday I don't think he was any better or any worse than he had been in previous games.†Ginnetta, however, believed Holloway was right to vent his feelings about sections of the crowd whose behaviour he described as “childishâ€. He said: “I can understand the frustrations because we've been watching dross for the past three seasons, but this is a bright new start.†Ginnetta believes home fans are fickle when it comes to who they favour in the side. “The fans keep baiting one player (Cort) and it's not on. I don't see how it's helping anyone's cause by cheering when he was substituted. Iain Hume missed a sitter, but they don't get on at him.†Ginnetta also believes forums, websites and phone-ins also fan the flames of disapproval, and he had a blast at City legend and Leicester Mercury columnist Steve Walsh. He said: “Walshy is on local radio helping with the Saturday afternoon commentaries, and he has been stirring things up with comments which are bang out of order.†Matt Davis, a Foxes Trust board member, says Saturday's reaction by the fans can only pile on the pressure ahead of Saturday's crunch clash with the Baggies. “We have a terrible home record and opposition teams are coming here and fancying their chances,†said Davis. “It must be having a psychological impact on the players and I'd be interested to hear their views.†What makes him think he has the right to an opinion and not us. Arse.
mancunianfox Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 I actually agree with both of them in a way. Fencesitter! "I'm better than Olli, i'd never have picked Carl Cort, i'd of done everything that Ollie didn't and we'd win 10-0".... at which point the Kaebi fan club all cheered from their armchairs and proclaimed he should have been the next manager.Am I right? That's a guess. Sounds like him. Walsh is the ultimate armchair manager...puts all of us to shame.
The Reverend Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 "I'm better than Olli, i'd never have picked Carl Cort, i'd of done everything that Ollie didn't and we'd win 10-0".... at which point the Kaebi fan club all cheered from their armchairs and proclaimed he should have been the next manager.Am I right? That's a guess. Probably not far off.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Fencesitter! If you'd read my posts in the Get Behind The Lads thread, you wouldn't think that! Agree with Ginnetta (depressingly enough) about the fans' attitudes. Also agree with Tomlyn in a way that Holloway needs to understand what we've been through the last few years before getting on the fans' backs. He has the right idea but it's not necessarily a good plan to express it so early on when the fans were warming to him. We're a fickle bunch.
Babylon Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 If you'd read my posts in the Get Behind The Lads thread, you wouldn't think that! Agree with Ginnetta (depressingly enough) about the fans' attitudes. Also agree with Tomlyn in a way that Holloway needs to understand what we've been through the last few years before getting on the fans' backs. He has the right idea but it's not necessarily a good plan to express it so early on when the fans were warming to him. We're a fickle bunch. As always I agree with Fez... to save me posting again, from now on can it be known that Fez speaks on my behalf.
mancunianfox Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 If you'd read my posts in the Get Behind The Lads thread, you wouldn't think that! Agree with Ginnetta (depressingly enough) about the fans' attitudes. Also agree with Tomlyn in a way that Holloway needs to understand what we've been through the last few years before getting on the fans' backs. He has the right idea but it's not necessarily a good plan to express it so early on when the fans were warming to him. We're a fickle bunch. I had read your posts in that thread, was just trying to wind you up...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 I had read your posts in that thread, was just trying to wind you up... Well it didn't work! Alright!
mancunianfox Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Well it didn't work! Alright! Ha! Who is that in your picture btw? Its really bugging me.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Ha!Who is that in your picture btw? Its really bugging me. Kate Jackson from the Long Blondes. I like it, it doesn't exactly show her in a good light though. It reminds me of Marc Bolan or someone.
mancunianfox Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 Kate Jackson from the Long Blondes. I like it, it doesn't exactly show her in a good light though. It reminds me of Marc Bolan or someone. Cool. Thought it was someone like that. Doesn't look that much like her though.
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 He went fishing and caught a fan club member. He can bugger off back to Iran for all I care he aint going to get a game here fpr whatever reason, I have moved on.
Phube Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 I want a spokesman/woman from FoxesTalk to go on these phone-in shows.. It'd be great!! I'm sure we have more members than the Indepedant and the Official supporters clubs!
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 December 2007 Posted 4 December 2007 He can bugger off back to Iran for all I care he aint going to get a game here fpr whatever reason, I have moved on. He says as Hossien Kaebi gets on the team bus to Burnley.
Thracian Posted 4 December 2007 Author Posted 4 December 2007 I want a spokesman/woman from FoxesTalk to go on these phone-in shows.. It'd be great!! I'm sure we have more member than the Indepedant and the Official supporters clubs! It would certainly liven up the debate from what I've heard.
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