Manwell Pablo Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 http://msn.football365.com/john_nicholson/...3612316,00.html Interesting article, all opinion obviously, little OTT but he makes some good points.
Mr Happy Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 http://msn.football365.com/john_nicholson/...3612316,00.htmlInteresting article, all opinion obviously, little OTT but he makes some good points. Beat me to it, I just read this article. Some interesting points he makes especially about Hargreaves and how hes becoming more like the english players now hes playing in the premier league
davieG Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 http://msn.football365.com/john_nicholson/...3612316,00.htmlInteresting article, all opinion obviously, little OTT but he makes some good points. As you say interesting read, sometimes it's necessary to go OTT these days to elicit a reaction, I think the guy speaks a lot of sense because I believe the effect he's talking about is starting to seep into the minds of players at our level. Sometimes when I see the reaction of players in defeat or success I have to remind myself that many are grown men with families yet behave like kids.
Bert Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 If we had 11 Hargreaves that day, we would almost certainly have prevailed. But we didn't and once again we saw Terry in full self-pitying, weeping mode again. Hargreaves didn't cry but he had given more than anyone. First bit in bold is true. Second bit isn't, i have a poster on my wall, and Hargreaves is crying.
Samilktray Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 Im just glad Terry is captain on wednesday. Only to limit his confidence taking another knock.
Joe. Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 Only to limit his confidence taking another knock. I think it was probably pre-planned to be honest. First it was Gerrard, then Ferdinand and now Terry. In terms of Cappelo's rotation policy for captains it makes sense.
Samilktray Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 I think it was probably pre-planned to be honest.First it was Gerrard, then Ferdinand and now Terry. In terms of Cappelo's rotation policy for captains it makes sense. I think that sounds pretty good actually. I take back what i said then.
Uncle Albert Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 Slating Terry? Brilliant article in that case Your emotion lies because this post is seriously uncool.
The Reverend Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 I agree with the Hargreaves bit about his mentality changing the longer he's been here, and learning from petulant little cnuts like Rooney to act like a petulant little cnut, but the rest of it is bollocks. Especially the bit about foreigners being more sophisticated. They learn new languages because a lot of the time, they have to. We dont, because we dont have to. Is Beckham more sophisticated because he went to Spain and learnt Spanish? No.
Ultra Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 Your emotion lies because this post is seriously uncool. Spot on. What's the betting this writer is a bitter gooner using this incident as an excuse to have a pop at Chelski? These were not tears of self-pity like Gazza in 1990. They arose from genuine emotion at having let down his team-mates, his club, and his fans. I'd rather have a John Terry in the team than a passion-free android like Nicolas Anelka who didn't seem to give a monkey's about his penalty miss. I remember Wembley in 1999 and seeing Tony Cottee collapse on the turf, inconsolable at having blown (or so he thought) his last chance of a winner's medal. Thankfully he returned the following year and got one. He gave his all for whatever team he played for. If only today's spoilt brats in blue could show the same passion.
The Reverend Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 Spot on. What's the betting this writer is a bitter gooner using this incident as an excuse to have a pop at Chelski? These were not tears of self-pity like Gazza in 1990. They arose from genuine emotion at having let down his team-mates, his club, and his fans. I'd rather have a John Terry in the team than a passion-free android like Nicolas Anelka who didn't seem to give a monkey's about his penalty miss. I remember Wembley in 1999 and seeing Tony Cottee collapse on the turf, inconsolable at having blown (or so he thought) his last chance of a winner's medal. Thankfully he returned the following year and got one. He gave his all for whatever team he played for. If only today's spoilt brats in blue could show the same passion. Spot on ultra, couldnt agree more.
Melton Fox Posted 27 May 2008 Posted 27 May 2008 I think there's a world of difference between a man showing public displays of grief and upset, than a spoilt adult brat bawling his eyes out because he lost at football. Men cry, real men cry, cowards cry, there is no shame at all in that. But only spoilt brats bawl their eyes out just because they didn't get what they wanted. Great article, 90% agree with all he says.
LeeCovFox Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 Spot on. What's the betting this writer is a bitter gooner using this incident as an excuse to have a pop at Chelski? These were not tears of self-pity like Gazza in 1990. They arose from genuine emotion at having let down his team-mates, his club, and his fans. I'd rather have a John Terry in the team than a passion-free android like Nicolas Anelka who didn't seem to give a monkey's about his penalty miss. I remember Wembley in 1999 and seeing Tony Cottee collapse on the turf, inconsolable at having blown (or so he thought) his last chance of a winner's medal. Thankfully he returned the following year and got one. He gave his all for whatever team he played for. If only today's spoilt brats in blue could show the same passion. He is a Middlesbrough fan. Oh, and I'm sure Anelka did care. Him not crying does not act as any kind of proof otherwise. Perhaps he has just grown up more than people give him credit for. And I don't particularly remember the cameras turning on Anelka as they did on Terry, so I have no idea how he reacted anyway. The whole basis of your post is your own assumptions.
James. Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 He is a Middlesbrough fan.Oh, and I'm sure Anelka did care. He him not crying does not act as any kind of proof otherwise. Perhaps he has just grown up more than people give him credit for. And I don't particularly remember the cameras turning on Anelka as they did on Terry, so I have no idea how he reacted anyway. The whole basis of your post is your own assumptions. EDIT: Hmm I've read the article and will revoke what I said, the author makes some good points. I need to think a bit more!
Ultra Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 He is a Middlesbrough fan. So why was he so keen to put the knife into Terry? Especially when I can recall plenty of times when Boro players have bawled their eyes out following cup final defeats, relegation and so on. Oh, and I'm sure Anelka did care. Him not crying does not act as any kind of proof otherwise. Perhaps he has just grown up more than people give him credit for. And I don't particularly remember the cameras turning on Anelka as they did on Terry, so I have no idea how he reacted anyway. The whole basis of your post is your own assumptions. Not all - I saw the text of an interview Anelka did where he tried to put the blame on Avram Grant for not allowing him to warm up properly before putting him on. Accepting responsibility didn't appear to be a priority with him, and indeed never has been during his much-travelled career.
Tommeh Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 There was 1 champions league trohpy sitting in Chelsea's hall 1 Champions league trohpy sitting in Chelsea's hall And if 1 John terry should accidenty fall there will be no champions league trophy sitting in chelsea's hall.
Tevez Posted 28 May 2008 Posted 28 May 2008 There was 1 champions league trohpy sitting in Chelsea's hall1 Champions league trohpy sitting in Chelsea's hall And if 1 John terry should accidenty fall there will be no champions league trophy sitting in chelsea's hall. You must of been bored at work!
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