AjcW Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 Just looking back over last season one thing that allen and holloway both said in their first interviews was, its an amazing thing having all these funds to use, both of them coming from clubs with a lot less to spend. in allens case he seemed like a kid on christmas day with all his spending money and he immediately went and spent it on anything he could get his hands on. similarly wih ollie he was given alot of money something he had never experienced before and immediately went in search of the most expensive players and spent x ammount of money in 2 to 3 weeks. megson had the experience of clubs with money in the past and i feel if he had come in a time when the transfer window was open he wouldnt of been so reckless and wasteful. So surely this is a case to ignore candidates such as steve clarke, lambert and grayson who may go down the same routes as the likes of ollie and allen and go for someone who doesnt see leicester as a much bigger club to anywere they have ever been before. this makes candidates such as davies and gregory look much more creddible. Anyone in agreement with this or not please comment
dandannieldanok Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I agree to some extent and I think Mandaric does need to choose someone with a reasonable track record of handling cash in the transfer market. Not many candidates around that fit the bill though, Billy Davies perhaps the best but some of his larger purchases nearer the end of his Derby days were pretty poor.
JoeyB Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 Can see what your saying and it does come down to experience, any maybe even connections. We need an experienced manager, who has been in this league before got out of it a few times to guide us up straight away, but we also need someone like you said who is not going to blow 2. whatever million on someone as shit as DJ. With the connections bit i am thinking that they will be able to get decent loans, players who would not really want to come this low, but will because they do what their manager thinks is best for them, etc. Tbh i say we should get Sven Leicester needs some press somehow
Bryn Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I've been thinking this too, I think we need a manager who's been around. Since O'Neill we've had up and coming manager after up and coming manager and it hasn't worked. I'd put Taylor, Adams, Levein, Holloway, Kelly and Allen all in that bracket.
davieG Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 First of all you're assuming it was the managers that did all the signing - I'm not convinced. As for experience or inexperience well plenty of experienced managers have wasted money galore and experience doesn't necessarily equate to sensible, quality signings in the same as it doesn't equate to success. If I remember Mandaric tried and failed with both types at Portsmouth. What is important is getting the right person be they experienced or not and this is where Milan seems to do it all wrong how he selects his mangers I've no idea but he is almost guaranteed to get it wrong. I think he and many fans are seduced by outward signs of passion when picking managers and fails to get to the heart of the person to determine what over all abilities they bring, he'd do well to remember that passion can be felt deep down and is not always on display. The skills and knowledge required by a manager are well documented, maybe someone ought to let Mandaric into the secret and experience to me is not the most important attribute although is not to be dismissed. What worries me is that Gregory seems to me to be in the Allen/Holloway mould outwardly enthusiastic and probably a great dinner guest but inwardly incompetent at managing anything beyond a certain level. That to me has nothing to do with experience because I don't think any of them will ever get better than they already are.
davieG Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I've been thinking this too, I think we need a manager who's been around. Since O'Neill we've had up and coming manager after up and coming manager and it hasn't worked. I'd put Taylor, Adams, Levein, Holloway, Kelly and Allen all in that bracket. Err O'Neil was an up and coming manager as was Little so hardly validates your point.
syston_fox Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I agree to some extent and I think Mandaric does need to choose someone with a reasonable track record of handling cash in the transfer market. Not many candidates around that fit the bill though, Billy Davies perhaps the best but some of his larger purchases nearer the end of his Derby days were pretty poor. It could be argued though that if we keep hold of Howard and Oakley then we already have the basis of a Billy Davies team and so he wouldnt have to invest that heavily - just tidy up the squad and the likes. What I want from a manager though is someone who will give us that bit of consistancy that we havent had since the early days of Micky Adams, mixed in with someone who will bond the players together as a team and instill the pride and passion back into playing for our club. Personally I think Billy Davies is the right man for the job. He did a decent job at Derby and Preston - they were never spectacular but always consistant and he wouldnt stand for anyone not giving 100%. Too many of our previous managers have been "nice guys" and let players get away with poor performances week in week out. Mess up too much under Davies and you have to prove yourself to him all over again!
Webbo Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 First of all you're assuming it was the managers that did all the signing - I'm not convinced.As for experience or inexperience well plenty of experienced managers have wasted money galore and experience doesn't necessarily equate to sensible, quality signings in the same as it doesn't equate to success. If I remember Mandaric tried and failed with both types at Portsmouth. What is important is getting the right person be they experienced or not and this is where Milan seems to do it all wrong how he selects his mangers I've no idea but he is almost guaranteed to get it wrong. I think he and many fans are seduced by outward signs of passion when picking managers and fails to get to the heart of the person to determine what over all abilities they bring, he'd do well to remember that passion can be felt deep down and is not always on display. The skills and knowledge required by a manager are well documented, maybe someone ought to let Mandaric into the secret and experience to me is not the most important attribute although is not to be dismissed. What worries me is that Gregory seems to me to be in the Allen/Holloway mould outwardly enthusiastic and probably a great dinner guest but inwardly incompetent at managing anything beyond a certain level. That to me has nothing to do with experience because I don't think any of them will ever get better than they already are. I'd agree with most of that especially the first line. Gregory wouldn't be my first choice but I think we could do worst, he had a good spell with Villa and I get the impression that he wouldn't take any crap from the players.
Legend_in_blue Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 Join the Billy Davies Bandwagon! Bring in Davies now. We need Billy Davies. He's da man.
Bryn Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 Err O'Neil was an up and coming manager as was Little so hardly validates your point. I disagree. We've tried to go for someone emerging and it clearly isn't working, as our last 8? or however many it was have shown. Surely a change of tack, bringing in someone with a bit of experience is worth a shot?
Ultra Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I disagree. We've tried to go for someone emerging and it clearly isn't working, as our last 8? or however many it was have shown. Surely a change of tack, bringing in someone with a bit of experience is worth a shot? That's what various managers said last season as they brought any number of has-beens into the club. There are some good experienced managers out there, but also a few serial failures who are unemployed for a reason.
smokey Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 Err O'Neil was an up and coming manager as was Little so hardly validates your point. I agree and so was Adams and he won Promotion in his first full season as Manager!!
davieG Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I disagree. We've tried to go for someone emerging and it clearly isn't working, as our last 8? or however many it was have shown. Surely a change of tack, bringing in someone with a bit of experience is worth a shot? What is it I wrote that you disagree with - O'Neil & Little were up and coming managers with no experience of division 2.
shen Posted 31 May 2008 Posted 31 May 2008 I've been thinking this too, I think we need a manager who's been around. Since O'Neill we've had up and coming manager after up and coming manager and it hasn't worked. I'd put Taylor, Adams, Levein, Holloway, Kelly and Allen all in that bracket. Adams was a relative success and Holloway has been around for a bit and has plenty of experience already. You conveniently leave out Megson, Bassett and Worthington of your list too...
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