Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I subscribe to the Dawkins statistical proof of the improbability of any Deity being in existence. 'stastitical proof' is not FACT!! Mate, Dawkins theories are only theories not Fact!!
Daggers Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 'stastitical proof' is not FACT!! Mate, Dawkins theories are only theories not Fact!! I didn't say 'fact'. It's a balance of improbabilities And back to the topic, if the Old Testament God was here he'd be arguing for the BNP - he was a cnut.
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I didn't say 'fact'.It's a balance of improbabilities And back to the topic, if the Old Testament God was here he'd be arguing for the BNP - he was a cnut. Many are within there right to take which ever side of the balance they want, thankfully we still live in society where people are within there rights to chose whether to belive or not to believe!!! Back to the topic, whether it be the BNP, Islamic Council of Britain, they are playing on peoples vunrabilities and are propagating fear!!! Unfortunately these sorts of parties are getting stronger, with the ensuing 'credit crunch' etc I can see them getting stronger!!! BNP will propagate Islamophobia and the Islamic hardcores will use Islamophobia as means of propogating there jihad\struggle!!
Tabou Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I read somewhere that the BNP's Christmas party was cancelled one year because they turned up to some club and had hired a punjab DJ.
Head Honcho Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 To be fair there are rignt-wing Christian Groups in the US (And probably some over here if I looked hard enough) that would have no problem at all with the Islamic party of Britains approach on Homosexuality! There used to be an organisation called 'Conservatives for Families' that wasn't too far short of that either. Even our own Tory Party legislated to make official acceptance of Homosexuality illegal. Simon So that makes it ok then Thanks for clearing that up!
Head Honcho Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 But how many seats have this party ever won? Does it matter? Although the Islamic Party of Britain is no longer politically active you can bet your bottom dollar that their members have joined mainstream parties and are in fact active in local government.
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Does it matter?Although the Islamic Party of Britain is no longer politically active you can bet your bottom dollar that their members have joined mainstream parties and are in fact active in local government. Majority are part of the Muslim Council of Britain, one would presume!!!
Head Honcho Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 The Muslim Council of Britain is a charity so I'd guess it'd have to be apolitical but then as with the IPB who's going to criticise it?
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 The Muslim Council of Britain is a charity so I'd guess it'd have to be apolitical but then as with the IPB who's going to criticise it? It doesn't say there a charity on the wikipedia page or there website, although it does support Muslim aid etc!! It's an organisation created to promote UK Musloms interests and it's funding is by membership and afilliations according to it's site!! Unfortunately these type of religious parties (Uk Sikh Federation, Hindu UK Council and the above) will have a political influece as they consider themselves spokes people for alot of there community\religion, each will have the mainstream parties eating out of there hand for there votes!!
Ultra Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Does it matter?Although the Islamic Party of Britain is no longer politically active you can bet your bottom dollar that their members have joined mainstream parties and are in fact active in local government. Really? Those individuals would be fairly easy to spot. But I don't know ANY Muslim councillor, in Leicester or elsewhere, who has infiltrated the mainstream parties for the reasons you suggest. However I am aware of a group called the Christian People's Alliance, which has had some success in London, especially where it's the only organised alternative to Labour.
Sniffer-Clarke Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I have heard 2 opinions on the BNP so what are your opinions please.Are The British National Party: A) A Political party which believes in a Britain which is/ has: 1) Less unemployed people 2) Less Immigrants 3) More money spent on schools, hospitals, pensioners, etc; with less spent on immigrants or people who can't be arsed to work 4) A patriotic feeling to be British 5) Tougher jail sentances to keep the country safe 6) A government which makes less stupid decisions like the current labour government. OR B) A political party that:/ or that is: 1) A racist or fascist movement 2) A party that will incite hatred among citizens 3) People who will be too harsh on criminals e.g. bring in death penalty which is disagreed upon by many 4) Do terrible actions like the KKK or the Nazis etc Thank you and please note these aren't my opinions so don't insult me Go for A
Ultra Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Go for A Wrong choice. Next time, read the thread properly, not just the first post..
Flynny Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 How well you can successfully argue against the BNP depends on your political viewpoint to begin with. Perversely I think right-wing people will have more success. If you're the kind of person who believes that the "underclass" exist because of a lack of oppurtunities afforded to them and through no particular fault of their own, there exists room for an arguement that without immigrants they would get these oppurtunities and get a foot on the bottom of the ladder, reducing unemployment and breaking the cycle of poverty, reducing crime and creating some sort of utopia. I disagree with this point of view entirely because it's riddled with flaws, but it's a point of view thats only driven by racism most of the time, not all of it. To equate everyone who believes this with racists is a touch unfair. If on the other hand you think that the urban poor exist because of a combination of poor attitude, undereducation and general fecklessness as well as a lack of oppurtunities, there's less wriggle room for this arguement.
Head Honcho Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Really?Those individuals would be fairly easy to spot. But I don't know ANY Muslim councillor, in Leicester or elsewhere, who has infiltrated the mainstream parties for the reasons you suggest. However I am aware of a group called the Christian People's Alliance, which has had some success in London, especially where it's the only organised alternative to Labour. Maybe you haven't looked hard enough http://www.mcb.org.uk/faq/faq.php#3 How is the MCB funded? The MCB's administrative expenses are funded entirely by affiliation fees and donations from Muslim individuals and institutional well-wishers. These financial sources fund the MCB's core work. Donations are also received by the MCB Charitable Foundation (MCBCF), an independent entity registered with the Charities Commissioners. It's aim it to build a capital fund through which activities of the MCB that are exclusively charitable can be supported. The Muslim Council of Britain has also promulgated innovative projects to raise the capability of the British Muslim community and to widen good practice. For these, the MCB has successfully competed for and been granted funding from government and non-government bodies. Maybe by calling their charity arm an independent entity allows them to get involved in political discussion and as said earlier, who's going to criticise them for doing so?
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Maybe you haven't looked hard enough http://www.mcb.org.uk/faq/faq.php#3 How is the MCB funded? The MCB's administrative expenses are funded entirely by affiliation fees and donations from Muslim individuals and institutional well-wishers. These financial sources fund the MCB's core work. Donations are also received by the MCB Charitable Foundation (MCBCF), an independent entity registered with the Charities Commissioners. It's aim it to build a capital fund through which activities of the MCB that are exclusively charitable can be supported. The Muslim Council of Britain has also promulgated innovative projects to raise the capability of the British Muslim community and to widen good practice. For these, the MCB has successfully competed for and been granted funding from government and non-government bodies. Maybe by calling their charity arm an independent entity allows them to get involved in political discussion and as said earlier, who's going to criticise them for doing so? The key sentence is 'Donations are also received by the MCB Charitable Foundation (MCBCF), an INDEPENDANT ENTITY', hence MCB aren't a charity, there charitable wing is independant, you written it there yourself Head Honcho!! All of them, including UK Sikh federatiion, the hindu one take charitable donations and have INDEPENDANT charities funding them, it's a means of getting money!!!
wirralsimon Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 The charitable foundation is to do with Tax. As an example Amnesty international used do a similar thing (Maybe they still do) , and they are not known for being sinister. Activities directly supporting prisoners of conscience and their families qualify as charitable and donations have the usual tax advantages (gift aid etc.) that any charity donation does. Campaigning activities are not seen as charitable so money is taxed etc as normal. Legally money in the charitable trust cannot be used for campaigning activities. Simon
Ultra Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Maybe you haven't looked hard enough http://www.mcb.org.uk/faq/faq.php#3 How is the MCB funded? The MCB's administrative expenses are funded entirely by affiliation fees and donations from Muslim individuals and institutional well-wishers. These financial sources fund the MCB's core work. Donations are also received by the MCB Charitable Foundation (MCBCF), an independent entity registered with the Charities Commissioners. It's aim it to build a capital fund through which activities of the MCB that are exclusively charitable can be supported. The Muslim Council of Britain has also promulgated innovative projects to raise the capability of the British Muslim community and to widen good practice. For these, the MCB has successfully competed for and been granted funding from government and non-government bodies. Maybe by calling their charity arm an independent entity allows them to get involved in political discussion and as said earlier, who's going to criticise them for doing so? There's quite a difference between the aims of the now-defunct Islamic Party and the Muslim Council of Britain. To imply otherwise, as you appear to do, doesn't help debate and certainly doesn't increase awareness of the BNP.
Head Honcho Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 There's quite a difference between the aims of the now-defunct Islamic Party and the Muslim Council of Britain. To imply otherwise, as you appear to do, doesn't help debate and certainly doesn't increase awareness of the BNP. This is what I've been saying-where have I said they were similar? I'm not trying to decrease the awareness of the BNP in anyway I was merely pointing out how their policies on Gays, Jews and other minorities are pretty much the same as Islamic political parties yet we can't criticise them without being labelled racist.
Katy Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 They have a seat in Whitwick, along with Labour and the Tories.They also have council seats in East Goscote and Hugglescote, while in Leicester last year they ran Labour close in New Parks and Eyres Monsell. Sadly, their appeal extends some way beyond the northern mill towns. being from east goscote it made me sad when this happened, then reading comments from people of east goscote re. the pub closing and it becoming an indian restaurant, some very narrow minded,ignorant, racist views, which me and my mates of east goscote of yesteryear certainly never held, i can see why the BNP now have a seat there. East Goscote has an Asian vicar. I wonder what the Goscote racists think of that.
Tabou Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 East Goscote has an Asian vicar. I wonder what the Goscote racists think of that. Groby has a WOMAN vicar!!! That's just plain absurd!!
Katy Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 Groby has a WOMAN vicar!!!That's just plain absurd!! What's that got to do with the BNP? Unless it stands for Ban Norks Please
Tabou Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 What's that got to do with the BNP? Unless it stands for Ban Norks Please Well, whilst we are on the subject of contraversy, I thought I'd throw that sexist comment in. Immature and childish. I'll get my coat. unless any of the women on here want to get it for me....
Daggers Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I've had enough of serious threads. I'm not playing with them anymore.
Master Fox Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 I've had enough of serious threads.I'm not playing with them anymore. I wish someone would play with me?
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