I'm never this

[Benji]

fuming normally and i can't remember the last thread i've made really criticising something, was possibly the micky substitutions or something

but what the fk is with the last 5 minute tactics

for 80 minutes we defend set plays with 1-2 men upfront

so what changes at 85? lets put ALL fking 11 back and ask them to score

it was a good finish yes, but if he would have left it one of the other 6 queuing up could have had a go

truely shocking

blame needs taken, whether it be the manager or the captain, a leader is needed t spot these dam obvious mistakes costing us matches.

i mean what use is joey in the middle? he tries yes but why not stick him on the half way line and thus take two wolves players out of the attack??????

god it's so frustrating, i left after te goal tonight and i don't regret it, say what you will but i was SO fuming tonight after that. Hoddle substitutionally outplayed levein

one last thing, why are we paying moore thousands to sit on the bench???

whats a player going to do on the pitch for 3 minutes???

wouldn't believe it was 1-1 from that would you, well wolves offered nothing and we've lost 2 points they've not won 1.

its all well and good playing well (we played very well) for 85 minutes, but we've not won so it goes to show the last 5 are just as important

why change the tactics aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

[Steven]

Good rant.

[C-man]

damn good rant benji

[Chimp]

I'm puzzled why CL made the 2 late subs, I couldn't see any tactical advantage in doing so. That said, the reason we lost 2 points tonight wasn't due to the substitutions, it was due to the team sitting back for the last ten minutes.

Time and time again this happens to us. If I were CL I would have been on the touch line screanming at them to push up and keep possesion.

[filbertway]

fuming normally and i can't remember the last thread i've made really criticising something, was possibly the micky substitutions or something

but what the fk is with the last 5 minute tactics

for 80 minutes we defend set plays with 1-2 men upfront

so what changes at 85? lets put ALL fking 11 back and ask them to score

it was a good finish yes, but if he would have left it one of the other 6 queuing up could have had a go

truely shocking

blame needs taken, whether it be the manager or the captain, a leader is needed t spot these dam obvious mistakes costing us matches.

i mean what use is joey in the middle? he tries yes but why not stick him on the half way line and thus take two wolves players out of the attack??????

god it's so frustrating, i left after te goal tonight and i don't regret it, say what you will but i was SO fuming tonight after that. Hoddle substitutionally outplayed levein

one last thing, why are we paying moore thousands to sit on the bench???

whats a player going to do on the pitch for 3 minutes???

wouldn't believe it was 1-1 from that would you, well wolves offered nothing and we've lost 2 points they've not won 1.

its all well and good playing well (we played very well) for 85 minutes, but we've not won so it goes to show the last 5 are just as important

why change the tactics aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

88158[/snapback]

I have to agree with you about all of that very good post, maybe we should have all shouted at them "get out!!!!!"

[Anish]

Well said Benji.

I completely agree with your sentiments. Anyone sat around me will testify that I was going mental with the way we were playing in the last 10 minutes. We were asking for trouble and were duly punished.

It was a gutless, clueless and shambolic effort by everyone - players, management, and even us fans (who stopped singing after we scored) and I think serious question marks need to be raised with Levein's tactics/substitutions.

What the f'ck was Moore on the bench for 80 minutes when De Vries was a donkey up front? I am sick and tired of LCFC managers having their favourites and sticking by them no matter how piss poor they are.

Levein should never have brought Nalis on, if anyone should have come on it should have been Moore. We were cutting through their defence at will towards the 70-80 minute mark and Moore's pace would have made a difference. The number of half chances that De Vries failed to make the most of due to his turtle-like pace would have been capitalised with Moore up front.

[jase67]

We all knew that goal was coming CL has to take the blame

[Guest]

Why oh why do managers and/or players feel the need to sit on a one goal lead going into the last 5-10 minutes?

The best form of defence is attack!

Sitting back and inviting the opposition to come at you is asking for trouble.

[Ric Flair]

Gillespie was a disgrace yesterday and on that performance alone should never play for us again and i'll tell you why. He might well have come on leaps and bounds since Levein took over, but last night he showed why he's a hinderence to this team. It was blatant we were lacking width down the left hand side and it was crucial that Gillespie was disciplined in how he played. He was shocking, truely shocking. He had many opportunities to put crosses in and didn't, at times he put the ball on his left foot and then gave it away?

I blame him for last night, in the last 10 minutes he gave the ball away about 15 times. We need a winger we can rely on, someone with pace who can cross the ball and stay disciplined when you need him most. TWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

As for Levein's subs, I agree Moore should have come on earlier but although De Vries was pretty poor he was stretching Wolves defence and taking the pressure off Gillespie's shenanigans.

Moore will start against Brighton I reckon and I think it's time Tiatto or Stewart came back so we can ditch that pikey and stick Hughes on the right wing for the time being.

Gudjonsson was crap aswell, don't rate him at all. Williams is looking far more tenacious than Gudjonsson will ever be and if it's essential we have a ball winner then Williams is more successful at it than the Ice Man.

[Chimp]

Gillespie has one average game and he shouldn't play for the team again, ever? I think that's over reacting a little. Gudjohnsson was good at disrupting the opposition play but he gave away too many free kicks. I wouldn't say he was crap.

We didn't loose the lead last night due to individuals, we lost because as a team we didn't push forward or keep possesion during the last 15 minutes. The team bottled it, as we've seen them do time after time the last couple of seasons.

We definitely need Tiatto or Stewart back in the team to give us some options down the left. Hughes was okay there but he's better when playing in a more central position.

[Guest]

Disagree about Gillespie, to me he looked like he was injured towards the end, which is why he lost possession so easily. In this case, I'm disappointed the team as a whole chose to sit back, rather than trying to win the ball, and put pressure on Wolves defence.

[Ric Flair]

He's not consistent enough though and it's players like him that is the reason why we can't get anything going. We get a win here and there. but as a team we aren't consistent enough. Gillespie is a perfect example of this, even though he's got better this season I still think we're better off without him. It's shown this season that players who have played in the premiership (Dublin, Dabizas, Gemmill, Wilcox, Blake, Gillespie, Keown - The list goes on) that this league won't respect you and you've got to dig in and grind out results. That's something we seem incapable of doing at times and we'll continue to do this until we clear out players that aren't consistent enough.

Hughes, Williams, McCarthy, Maybury, Stearman, Connolly, Tiatto and perhaps a few others are the only players I think can make this club move forward, the rest are just holding us back and unless these players get their fingers out then we must get rid of the players that aren't up to scratch.

Dublin is improving, and i'm happy about that but why is it that every game 2 or 3 players don't perform?

Bye, Bye Gillespie

[dynamite foxes]

I completely agree with your sentiments. Anyone sat around me will testify that I was going mental with the way we were playing in the last 10 minutes. We were asking for trouble and were duly punished.

It was a gutless, clueless and shambolic effort by everyone - players, management, and even us fans (who stopped singing after we scored) and I think serious question marks need to be raised with Levein's tactics/substitutions.

What the f'ck was Moore on the bench for 80 minutes when De Vries was a donkey up front? I am sick and tired of LCFC managers having their favourites and sticking by them no matter how piss poor they are.

88185[/snapback]

De Vries was far better last night than he was on saturday, people like you are the ones who are going get him into a slump. He is not a donkey, he is strong and a good footballer. He will be a big player for us. that was a 'gutless, clueless and shambolic' post by you!

[MON]

I completely agree with your sentiments. Anyone sat around me will testify that I was going mental with the way we were playing in the last 10 minutes. We were asking for trouble and were duly punished.

It was a gutless, clueless and shambolic effort by everyone - players, management, and even us fans (who stopped singing after we scored) and I think serious question marks need to be raised with Levein's tactics/substitutions.

What the f'ck was Moore on the bench for 80 minutes when De Vries was a donkey up front? I am sick and tired of LCFC managers having their favourites and sticking by them no matter how piss poor they are.

88185[/snapback]

De Vries was far better last night than he was on saturday, people like you are the ones who are going get him into a slump. He is not a donkey, he is strong and a good footballer. He will be a big player for us. that was a 'gutless, clueless and shambolic' post by you!

88339[/snapback]

I agree about the Anish bit. But I don't agree that he will be a big player for us. But if we play the ball to him, instead of in the air, he will do okay. That can work an an advantage to us, because teams will expect us to lump the ball up to the big target man, and be surprised when he can turn well with the ball, pass well etc.

[Louise]

I don't think anyone gave away too many free kicks, I think the ref was too quick to blow for them.

[Chimp]

Nah, Gudjohnsson is a real liability sometimes, he's always clipping people and he was lucky last night that the Wolves player managed to jump away from that wild two-footed tackle from behind he made in the second half. He was very late and if he had brought the player down it would have been a red card.

The ref was definitely too finicky but we brought a lot of it on ourselves...

[breadandcheese]

I completely agree with your sentiments. Anyone sat around me will testify that I was going mental with the way we were playing in the last 10 minutes. We were asking for trouble and were duly punished.

It was a gutless, clueless and shambolic effort by everyone - players, management, and even us fans (who stopped singing after we scored) and I think serious question marks need to be raised with Levein's tactics/substitutions.

What the f'ck was Moore on the bench for 80 minutes when De Vries was a donkey up front? I am sick and tired of LCFC managers having their favourites and sticking by them no matter how piss poor they are.

88185[/snapback]

De Vries was far better last night than he was on saturday, people like you are the ones who are going get him into a slump. He is not a donkey, he is strong and a good footballer. He will be a big player for us. that was a 'gutless, clueless and shambolic' post by you!

88339[/snapback]

I agree about the Anish bit. But I don't agree that he will be a big player for us. But if we play the ball to him, instead of in the air, he will do okay. That can work an an advantage to us, because teams will expect us to lump the ball up to the big target man, and be surprised when he can turn well with the ball, pass well etc.

88357[/snapback]

No. I'll stick up for Anish. I always thought that if you want to play the ball on the ground to a forward, he needs to have quick feet and good vision. De Vries, may be able to control a ball and turn with it, but by the time he's done it and looked up to make the pass, everyone's gone home. He is no Teddy Sheringham that's for sure. He should be a target man, but unfortunately is not.

As for bringing on Moore, we should have brought him on for De Vries to stretch the Wolves defence and catch them out with his pace.

Gudjonsson is a liability and Gillespie should learn from the Wolves wingers how to cross. We need a leader in midfield to organise the four. Gudjonsson is not that, Williams goes missing and Gillespie is not bright enough. Hughes may be a leader, only time will tell, but I feel he will not be the organiser in the centre of the park that we need.

[Scow]

I completely agree with your sentiments. Anyone sat around me will testify that I was going mental with the way we were playing in the last 10 minutes. We were asking for trouble and were duly punished.

It was a gutless, clueless and shambolic effort by everyone - players, management, and even us fans (who stopped singing after we scored) and I think serious question marks need to be raised with Levein's tactics/substitutions.

What the f'ck was Moore on the bench for 80 minutes when De Vries was a donkey up front? I am sick and tired of LCFC managers having their favourites and sticking by them no matter how piss poor they are.

88185[/snapback]

De Vries was far better last night than he was on saturday, people like you are the ones who are going get him into a slump. He is not a donkey, he is strong and a good footballer. He will be a big player for us. that was a 'gutless, clueless and shambolic' post by you!

88339[/snapback]

I agree about the Anish bit. But I don't agree that he will be a big player for us. But if we play the ball to him, instead of in the air, he will do okay. That can work an an advantage to us, because teams will expect us to lump the ball up to the big target man, and be surprised when he can turn well with the ball, pass well etc.

88357[/snapback]

No. I'll stick up for Anish. I always thought that if you want to play the ball on the ground to a forward, he needs to have quick feet and good vision. De Vries, may be able to control a ball and turn with it, but by the time he's done it and looked up to make the pass, everyone's gone home. He is no Teddy Sheringham that's for sure. He should be a target man, but unfortunately is not.

As for bringing on Moore, we should have brought him on for De Vries to stretch the Wolves defence and catch them out with his pace.

Gudjonsson is a liability and Gillespie should learn from the Wolves wingers how to cross. We need a leader in midfield to organise the four. Gudjonsson is not that, Williams goes missing and Gillespie is not bright enough. Hughes may be a leader, only time will tell, but I feel he will not be the organiser in the centre of the park that we need.

88489[/snapback]

Maybe Kisnorbo could provide that? Time will tell...

[breadandcheese]

From what the Hearts fan say (and I trust their judgement because they have been bang on about all the Scottish-based players we've signed) I don't hold out much hope. The description of headless chicken has been their assessment. Whilst that will be useful (my impression is that he may well be another Savage), that's the sort of player who needs lto play alongside a leader more than ever.

[Anish]

Thank you breadandcheese for sticking up for me.

Dynamite Foxes - time will tell just what a poor player De Vries is, some of us can see it now.

And there is no need to resort to personal insults either

[Sam]

No-ones mentioned Connolly I don't think and he really does need a mention.

How easily was he pushed off the ball everytime he got it and how many of his passes were crap.

I thought De Vries played quite well and why people are saying he should of come off are beyond me. Moore and Connolly are two similar players that wouldn't play well with eachother. Although we've tried so many strikers up with Connolly and still not produced any goals. The problems Connolly as far as I'm concerned he's useless. We've got strikers who have scored so many goals at other clubs yet alongside Connolly disappear with him.

I thought Gillespie played quite well and you can't blame him if a left footed pass goes astray because he's not got one he's purely right footed and the best winger we've had in the last 2-3 seasons.

Gudjonnsen was crap and nearly always is a few exceptions but evry game at the Walkers I think has been awful.

The defence now is solid and all we need really is a left winger, holding midfeilder and a striker to replace Connolly and play alongside De Vries.

[Scow]

I find the criticism of Gillespie baffling. I thought he worked hard, and despite him losing the ball on a number of occasions, he was the only one who was prepared to run at the opposition. He stretched the Wolves defence on a number of occasions, unfortunately his final ball/cross wasn't there.

[dynamite foxes]

he panicked!!!! Gillespie was poor

[Scow]

he panicked!!!! Gillespie was poor

89102[/snapback]

I don't think he panicked - I think it was a combination of being injured and no one offering him any support.