Darkzzz_ Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 I was just looking through Spurs transfer history over the past 3 years. They have spent over £180 Million on players. So what have they achieved? One Carling Cup. I am not knocking them because they do play a lot of English players but it is pretty scary how much money they have spent. I dread to think what they are paying these guys in wages. Man City, be warned.
Number 6 Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 I don't think it's ever going to stop managers wanting a bottomless pit of money though. Fans are impatient and ant success fast, and money spending seems to be the way. Man Utd have been spending mega money for years, before Chelsea were, and it's serving them alright. I don't want football to be driven by money but it is. If the only way to have more than 4 teams (arguably 2) challenging for the title is spending money then I don't mind. Was talking to a friend the other day about my idea of a play-off Prem. Every other league has it, why not prem. Was thinking maybe places 4-7 having play-offs for a Champions league place. Would at least give teams like Spurs, Everton & Villa the chance to get there and earn a bit more money, even things up a bit.
Monk Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 I do often wonder if football is the next bubble to burst. It's been proven time and again that throwing money around does not buy you a ticket to the Champions League. There's no doubt if they'd stuck with Jol they wouldn't be bottom of the league now. Once this message of how difficult it is to achieve short term success with money reaches the wealthy investors involved (And those looking to get involved) I do fear we could see a big pullout. I don't think this applies so much to less wealthy buyouts such as Mandy as they tend to have a greater interest in football rather than just having a punt at success.
shen Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 I do often wonder if football is the next bubble to burst. It's been proven time and again that throwing money around does not buy you a ticket to the Champions League. There's no doubt if they'd stuck with Jol they wouldn't be bottom of the league now. Once this message of how difficult it is to achieve short term success with money reaches the wealthy investors involved (And those looking to get involved) I do fear we could see a big pullout. I don't think this applies so much to less wealthy buyouts such as Mandy as they tend to have a greater interest in football rather than just having a punt at success. You mean "burst again"! The ITV bust is only a few years old...
Monk Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 You mean "burst again"! The ITV bust is only a few years old... Yes but the bubble is now on a different aspect of clubs - the teams which traditionally are Premiership mid table teams are the ones throwing the money around. There are 4 problems in my view: - Overvaluation of players, in the sense that teams will never be able to re coup their investments - Realisation from the mega wealthy that football is not a money spinner for them, and that their own fortunes will be shrinking in the recession. Some may be tempted to bail out, leaving clubs such as Spurs in the lurch. - Ticket prices are very high in the current environment. For the average Joe to take him and his kid to a Premiership game, park, buy a program and pie at half time is now costing almost £100. Many football fans will be thinking of cutting the number of games they go to, which will in turn hit revenues. This is also the case with lower league clubs who rely on gate receipts. - Big drops in advertising revenue. Yes, it is another bubble as I recognise that ITV one was as well, but the circumstances are very different and essentially pivotal for many clubs.
Guest Bilo Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 If Tottenham do end up going down, they'll be an even bigger financial car-crash than Leeds. On the plus side, White Hart Lane next season would be a brilliant away day.
Fosse Boy Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 If Tottenham do end up going down, they'll be an even bigger financial car-crash than Leeds. On the plus side, White Hart Lane next season would be a brilliant away day. Don't forget Newcastle too! Both of them going down would be hilariously funny.
Guest Bilo Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 St. James' Park and White Hart Lane away days next season. You watch Wigan, Stoke and Hull go down now.
Fosse Boy Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 St. James' Park and White Hart Lane away days next season. You watch Wigan, Stoke and Hull go down now. Wouldn't mind that too much to be honest. A chance for sweet revenge next season perhaps?
Guest Bilo Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 Wouldn't mind that too much to be honest. A chance for sweet revenge next season perhaps? True, watching Stoke go down would be funny. Purely so my statement to a Stoke fan of 'see you in 2009' can be vindicated.
lookwhaticando Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 Tottenham are shit. No amount of money will change that. Shit, shit, shit. I loved the Ramos days, they were pathetic.
Ultra Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 If they don't reach Wembley the knives will really be out for Redknapp..
Edmund Posted 21 January 2009 Posted 21 January 2009 If they don't reach Wembley the knives will really be out for Redknapp.. They would be twice the club if jol was still there.
MC Prussian Posted 22 January 2009 Posted 22 January 2009 True that. How on earth they manage to dish out 14 million quid on a player like Palacios is beyond my sense of reason. I salute Wigan for the deal of the century. Well done.
Ultra Posted 22 January 2009 Posted 22 January 2009 On reflection, the real "ultimate example" of money not buying success has to be Newcastle. Look at all the money THEY've spent in the last 15 years, yet it's still 40 years (and counting) since their last major trophy.
Darkzzz_ Posted 22 January 2009 Author Posted 22 January 2009 On reflection, the real "ultimate example" of money not buying success has to be Newcastle.Look at all the money THEY've spent in the last 15 years, yet it's still 40 years (and counting) since their last major trophy. True that. I just used Spurs as an example due to how much cash they have thrown about in recent years. It is quite alarming.
Ultra Posted 22 January 2009 Posted 22 January 2009 The £14m they've blown on Palacios does seem over the odds. But at least they've reached a cup final, and are still in Europe.
Samilktray Posted 22 January 2009 Posted 22 January 2009 Palacios is awesome. Exactly what they need.
eye666 Posted 22 January 2009 Posted 22 January 2009 They need a target man striker and some grit in the centre of midfield. I find some of the players being touted to join Tottenham and Man City quite bemusing. Man City need a central defender and a target man a la Luca Toni or Adebayor (that sort of player). Tottenham need some muscle and height as they have a team of midgets. Stoke and Hull are doing well this season (considering their team and comparatively to other teams who got promoted recently) as they have teams full of height and muscle. Getting a team of quick players is all well and good but you still need some steel in the midfield and some big bastards to push the other team about and win the headers.
Thracian Posted 23 January 2009 Posted 23 January 2009 I was just looking through Spurs transfer history over the past 3 years.They have spent over £180 Million on players. So what have they achieved? One Carling Cup. I am not knocking them because they do play a lot of English players but it is pretty scary how much money they have spent. I dread to think what they are paying these guys in wages. Man City, be warned. Martin Jol must be chuckling!
Darkzzz_ Posted 23 January 2009 Author Posted 23 January 2009 Martin Jol must be chuckling! He must be. You know what worries me the most in this country? The youngsters not getting a chance to come through because of all this money being pumped into the game. The one thing, in my opinion, that we have been behind on over here is bringing good home grown players through like they do in Europe. We don't seem to be doing much about it.
Samilktray Posted 23 January 2009 Posted 23 January 2009 He must be.You know what worries me the most in this country? The youngsters not getting a chance to come through because of all this money being pumped into the game. The one thing, in my opinion, that we have been behind on over here is bringing good home grown players through like they do in Europe. We don't seem to be doing much about it. Maybe the youngsters here just arent that good? Managers arent daft enough to overlook a prospect if there good enough surely?
davieG Posted 23 January 2009 Posted 23 January 2009 Maybe the youngsters here just arent that good?Managers arent daft enough to overlook a prospect if there good enough surely? There are a number of reported incidents of youngsters with typical English sounding names applying to clubs for a trial and being ignored but when they've applied with a false 'foreign' sounding names have been invited for a trial. I'm not suggesting this happens all the time but it does expose a potential subconscious leaning towards foreign players.
Darkzzz_ Posted 23 January 2009 Author Posted 23 January 2009 There are a number of reported incidents of youngsters with typical English sounding names applying to clubs for a trial and being ignored but when they've applied with a false 'foreign' sounding names have been invited for a trial.I'm not suggesting this happens all the time but it does expose a potential subconscious leaning towards foreign players. I am not quite sure of those incidents but I know that a lot of youngsters aren't getting a chance. I am not saying that I am against players coming to this country, I am all for it. But I think these youngsters need a chance. I also think we need to improve the infrastructure of grass roots football, after all that's where it all begins. Just my view on it anyway.
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