Even Ms Harman is taking the BNP seriously now

[Thracian]

What's your evidence for this, other than speculation in pro-BNP publications?

Again, what evidence do you have to say this is happening?

a) Apart from its stated policies as set out by its website on the net I have never read a BNP publication in my life nor knowlingly met either a BNP member or supporter.

Anyway I do have both verbal and broadcast evidence. I see little to be gained by repeating it but you know me well enough to be assured that it's there and to accept my word about it.

b) If you want to print out the names of the top 200 on the LCC housing list and give me the names of the last 100 people to whom houses were allocated, feel free. If those names prove me wrong I'll be delighted to admit it.

Concerning the housing I'm simply repeating what I've been told by people who live in Leicester. Are you saying those people are telling porkies?

[Daggers]

a) Illegal immigration to this country should be stopped.

1) How?

"It is rampant."

2) Seeing as it is firstly 'illegal' and therefore secondly 'unrecorded' I'd love to know how you manage to trot out that emotive word.

"b) And why should such people as are allowed in go to the top of housing lists and get jobseeker advantages that aren't available to others here whose world has also collapsed about them through no fault of their own?"

3) You are confusing illegal immigrants with asylum seekers, not for the first time either. Such a basic, repeated error lends little credibility to your argument.

"Three million unemployed coming up! Crime already on the increase again. People despairing over their debts. "

4) Try 2 million, again - another basic error. Crime being 'up' is another unsubstantiated emotive throwaway line. People and debt? What the flip has this to do with asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? Or anyone else come to that? If someone has too much debt then that simply makes them a bit of a twat for living outside of their means.

"We won't be able to help anyone, anywhere when we run out of money and credibility but Gordon Brown carries on regardless, as blinded as his followers to the great harm that he is doing."

5) Another daft, unsupportable statement. Do you seriously believe that the United Kingdom is about to run out of money?

"c) It's a great pity that disgusting Marxist regimes like Mugabe's continue. But many of the countries the refugees come from didn't want our governance. They wanted their independence and their own leaders and why not? Well they've got their independence and their own leaders."

6) Not sure I understand your point here - I think it boils down to the fact that you say it's Johnny Foreigner's fault if his country is run by murdering, raping bastards. Stupid Johnny Foreigner - why doesn't he get together the the rest of the oppressed and sort it out himself?

"Now it's up to them to make something of their countries and to fight for their rights, for their welfare and for fair and just government like we had to do in the past and some of us try to do now."

7) Aha, it seems I was right in my previous assumption - you really are equating standing up against Mugabe to your eternal struggle with parking attendants.

"Of course we should take our share of the burden when, on proper examination, the basic human rights to life is genuinely under threat.

But our charity should not be at the cost of endless suffering by native people"

8) Now I'm confused again - you seem to be carry out a volte face in the first sentence, and then doing it again. Are you getting dizzy with this constant change of direction? I wonder who on Earth you can mean by native people...it'll be the whites, surely....

"....those who cannot get jobs because there aren't any or because of ethnic discrimination against them, or who cannot get houses for their own families because ethnic needs have to be catered for first or who cannot do anything about spiralling into ever deeper debt making them ever-more desperate as a result."

9) What on Earth are "ethnic needs"? And what is it with this debt thing? You struggling to meet your credit card payment this month? I think you'll find that having a house repossessed is an excellent way to skip to the top of the council house waiting list as the person has not made themselves 'willingly homeless'. Don't let that get in the way of a good incoherent rant though

"Already there are the first signs that crime is starting to rise"

10) Maybe some left-wing idealists would appreciate something approaching supportable fact based on research rather than a dogmatic adherence to Daily Mail soundbites?

"Helping people requires money yet this socialist government has wasted so much that could have been spent easing humanitarian suffering it is embarrassing and half the time they have spent it on causing more humanitarian suffering."

11) What? The government sponsors suffering? Gordon Brown is giving refugees in Darfur nipple tweaks? The Labour Party produces the Chris Moyles Show? Try qualifying and quantifying your statements, they read as nothing more than gibberish at the moment.

"Nor can I understand how giving a foreign refugee life-saving sanctiuary, education and a job if in consequence a native man loses his job, loses his home, tumbles into a spiral of debt and eventually kills himself in despair, cos it's already happened, and a lot more than once, and I guarantee it's going to happen some more. ."

12) See? Just more emotive, groundless bollocks and guff.

"There's a desperate need social housing"

13) Thank ****! Finally, here's something I can agree with you about - we do need serious investment in social housing.

"Not only will they be able to give the natives' jobs away or allow them to disappear while continuing to chuck money and lives away on interminmable and pointless warfare, but they'll be able to give their houses away as well. And how many ethnic votes will that be worth?"

14) Had you just been for a pint or a piss before writing this sentence? It seems as though you forgot about the topic of the post and just carried on with a random gripe about...err...no, you got me. I haven't a clue what this bit is about.

Then again - that could probably apply to the post in its entirety.

[Daggers]

b) If you want to print out the names of the top 200 on the LCC housing list and give me the names of the last 100 people to whom houses were allocated, feel free. If those names prove me wrong I'll be delighted to admit it.

I'm simply repeating what I've been told by people who live in Leicester. Are you saying those people are lying?

Responding to the second point: If I met a bloke who claimed he had a twelve inch cock I'd probably ask for evidence. Ultra is asking you to display your metaphorical appendage because you are doing nothing more than trotting out garbage at the moment. Nothing you have posted so far is substanciated whatsoever.

Which brings me to the first point: You can't state something as fact, fail to support it and claim that it has to be true unless someone provides evidence that it is not. If you hold an argument position, one which you started, the onus is on you to provide supporting material.

Either that or have people tell you that your metaphorical cock is laughable.

[hebangsthedrums]

I haven't read Maddox for a while but this thread reminded me of an article:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=walmart

[Zingari]

britain has improved so much in my lifetime that i really cannot see what people are complaining about .

i feel a lot safer in the streets ( i no longer feel the need to carry a magnum 45 )

people are more law abiding , ( i hardly ever see any evidence of crime and always leave my door open, in case i leave my milk on the step and a neighbour wants to put it in my fridge )

social resposibility is far greater than it was in the past ( what has happened to all the deadbeat dysfunctional families of yesteryear , who relied on handouts ? )

and when did you last see anyone worrying about mass unemployment ?

get real everyone , britain is the utopian dream

nurse , nurse , NURSE !!!!

bring my medication , I'm not feeling very well

[Hullfox]

whistle all you want, but if your parents were born here, then you've earned the right to be here

Out of interest, what exactly what would you do with me?

I'm second generation British, my immigrant parent died after paying taxes into this country for 50 years, working well beyond retirement. I consider myself English. I follow the England football team home and away and have no allegiance to any other country in any sport despite through lineage being able to represent at least 3 other countries. My wife has British parents so I'm assuming that she can stay with the kids should I get shipped out.

I've never once taken a state handout but I suppose I have been fortunate in this way. I must disclose however that at times I have been a burden to the NHS for sporting injuries.

If you do ship me out, this would result in 6 people that I employ losing their livelihoods and it would also jeopardise the well being of up to 1000 disabled people who rely on me. (My removal could mean that someone may have to stump up a potential £300,000 or more to ensure their ongoing well being).

Oh, and by the way I'm white

I know that your answer may be painful for me but as you say, in times of need something needs to be done.

[Koke]

I'm second generation British as well. Obviously, I have a dodgy sounding Middle Eastern name and I'm a bit darker than the average Joe, but nevertheless my parents have contributed to this country for decades, and I believe I'm doing my bit at the moment as well, but if JadeFalcon & others had their way I would be shipped out to no mans land long time ago.

[Hullfox]

I'm second generation British as well. Obviously, I have a dodgy sounding Middle Eastern name and I'm a bit darker than the average Joe, but nevertheless my parents have contributed to this country for decades, and I believe I'm doing my bit at the moment as well, but if JadeFalcon & others had their way I would be shipped out to no mans land long time ago.

You're no use to anyone with that back!

[Koke]

You're no use to anyone with that back!

I've even failed in the love making department <_<

[Corky]

I've been taking the BNP seriously since he was appointed in June.

He's done a cracking job at the club

[JadeFalcon]

you parents paid enough taxes that is your right to be here imho

what i was talking about were people that have just come here

yet again people seem to want to make this a "colour of skin" argument, it is not about colour

[Hullfox]

you parents paid enough taxes that is your right to be here imho

what i was talking about were people that have just come here

yet again people seem to want to make this a "colour of skin" argument, it is not about colour

Phew, thanks for that.

My mates a bit worried though, have you got a figure in taxes paid to make him safe?

[Edmund]

Phew, thanks for that.

My mates a bit worried though, have you got a figure in taxes paid to make him safe?

[Edmund]

Out of interest if the BNP came into power would we lose Tunchev? He's stealing a englishmans job??

[Thracian]

1) How?

"It is rampant."

2) Seeing as it is firstly 'illegal' and therefore secondly 'unrecorded' I'd love to know how you manage to trot out that emotive word.

"b) And why should such people as are allowed in go to the top of housing lists and get jobseeker advantages that aren't available to others here whose world has also collapsed about them through no fault of their own?"

3) You are confusing illegal immigrants with asylum seekers, not for the first time either. Such a basic, repeated error lends little credibility to your argument.

"Three million unemployed coming up! Crime already on the increase again. People despairing over their debts. "

4) Try 2 million, again - another basic error. Crime being 'up' is another unsubstantiated emotive throwaway line. People and debt? What the flip has this to do with asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? Or anyone else come to that? If someone has too much debt then that simply makes them a bit of a twat for living outside of their means.

"We won't be able to help anyone, anywhere when we run out of money and credibility but Gordon Brown carries on regardless, as blinded as his followers to the great harm that he is doing."

5) Another daft, unsupportable statement. Do you seriously believe that the United Kingdom is about to run out of money?

"c) It's a great pity that disgusting Marxist regimes like Mugabe's continue. But many of the countries the refugees come from didn't want our governance. They wanted their independence and their own leaders and why not? Well they've got their independence and their own leaders."

6) Not sure I understand your point here - I think it boils down to the fact that you say it's Johnny Foreigner's fault if his country is run by murdering, raping bastards. Stupid Johnny Foreigner - why doesn't he get together the the rest of the oppressed and sort it out himself?

"Now it's up to them to make something of their countries and to fight for their rights, for their welfare and for fair and just government like we had to do in the past and some of us try to do now."

7) Aha, it seems I was right in my previous assumption - you really are equating standing up against Mugabe to your eternal struggle with parking attendants.

"Of course we should take our share of the burden when, on proper examination, the basic human rights to life is genuinely under threat.

But our charity should not be at the cost of endless suffering by native people"

8) Now I'm confused again - you seem to be carry out a volte face in the first sentence, and then doing it again. Are you getting dizzy with this constant change of direction? I wonder who on Earth you can mean by native people...it'll be the whites, surely....

"....those who cannot get jobs because there aren't any or because of ethnic discrimination against them, or who cannot get houses for their own families because ethnic needs have to be catered for first or who cannot do anything about spiralling into ever deeper debt making them ever-more desperate as a result."

9) What on Earth are "ethnic needs"? And what is it with this debt thing? You struggling to meet your credit card payment this month? I think you'll find that having a house repossessed is an excellent way to skip to the top of the council house waiting list as the person has not made themselves 'willingly homeless'. Don't let that get in the way of a good incoherent rant though

"Already there are the first signs that crime is starting to rise"

10) Maybe some left-wing idealists would appreciate something approaching supportable fact based on research rather than a dogmatic adherence to Daily Mail soundbites?

"Helping people requires money yet this socialist government has wasted so much that could have been spent easing humanitarian suffering it is embarrassing and half the time they have spent it on causing more humanitarian suffering."

11) What? The government sponsors suffering? Gordon Brown is giving refugees in Darfur nipple tweaks? The Labour Party produces the Chris Moyles Show? Try qualifying and quantifying your statements, they read as nothing more than gibberish at the moment.

"Nor can I understand how giving a foreign refugee life-saving sanctiuary, education and a job if in consequence a native man loses his job, loses his home, tumbles into a spiral of debt and eventually kills himself in despair, cos it's already happened, and a lot more than once, and I guarantee it's going to happen some more. ."

12) See? Just more emotive, groundless bollocks and guff.

"There's a desperate need social housing"

13) Thank ****! Finally, here's something I can agree with you about - we do need serious investment in social housing.

"Not only will they be able to give the natives' jobs away or allow them to disappear while continuing to chuck money and lives away on interminmable and pointless warfare, but they'll be able to give their houses away as well. And how many ethnic votes will that be worth?"

14) Had you just been for a pint or a piss before writing this sentence? It seems as though you forgot about the topic of the post and just carried on with a random gripe about...err...no, you got me. I haven't a clue what this bit is about.

Then again - that could probably apply to the post in its entirety.

1) Any way they choose that works. They manage to stop people shooting the Queen and bombing our politicians. It's a matter of how hard they want to try.

2) I have good reasons for not being specific but highly penal laws against truckers who bring in illegals have not been made because there isn't a problem and there have been television programmes which demonstrate the ingenious ways people enter the country and how they exist when they get here. Often they become virtual slave workers either in brothels or other gang-labour set-ups.

3) Easily enough explained. If the illegals end up with false papers and the asylum seekers get assistance legally then they'll both end up on the lists won't they. The false documentation set-ups that are fairly frequently discovered aren't there for no reason. When I came in from Switzerland jobless I lived with my family in a ridge tent for six mostly wet months. For people to get substantial houses while native families (of any origin) have waited longer, contributed in work and tax and suffered in their own ways is to totally disregard the needs of those people.

4) Three million was the quote in the newspaper I read Friday or Saturday. I hope you are right that it stops at two but 3m was the prediction and that's what I believe will be the case. On Tuesday the European Commission was quoted as saying "well over 2.5million" and that "Britain would be among the worst hit of European countries" with Gordon Brown's debt being referred to as making the UK situation "more acute". An Ipsos Mori poll said 49% of people were now worried about their livelihoods

5) The specific crimes increase mentioned in the articles I read were knife crime and burglary. The increase was in the months Sept-November I believe.

6) With the Chinese having major influence and investment in Africa we should be urging them to take some responsibility as a major economic power for the peace and welfare of the people of African lands where they are specifically involved. The people need to be encouraged too to help themselves instead of having us provide hand-outs and a constant place of refuge which doesn't actually encourage anyone to change anything back home.

7) Seems to me that no-one has stood up to Mugabe because in doing so they might well be taking on the Chinese, not to mention various nearby African states who, despite their own concerns, wouldn't welcome the bringing down of a black African regime. Given that is the case, once again, I'd suggest the solution with Mugabe lies with talking to the Chinese and perhaps imploring those other African nations, and in particular South Africa to help. As for reference to Johnny Foreigner, I think enough Brits have suffered under Mugabe too but I don't suppose that matters much.

8) Helping others is noble and I'm all for it but not to the extent that it ends up doing as much harm as good. The UK is a country not a registered charity and it's first responsibility, like that of other countries, is to look after the welfare of its own citizens. In times of plenty more help can be extended to others and in times of hardship then others have to take up the slack because there is no point in solving one problem only to create others. "Native" people aren't all white by any means. They are people who have been born here, have families here, have worked here and have contributed to the systems here. I can't even believe you asked that. I've said it often enough.

9) It's clear enough whether you want to see it or not. Many whites are sick of the positive discrimination factors and the requirement that ethnic quotas are met rather than jobs being offered on merit.

10) I've already referred to the newspaper story which mentioned the crime figures and it was on the national news. It had nothing at all to do with the Daily Mail as far as I am aware.

11) You can have as much evidence as you require. I've already mentioned the sale of half the nation's bullion but this will do.. http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=597797

12) There was a supposedly wealthy businessman burned his home and killed himself and his family over debt recently but here is a study showing the rise in suicides in Scotland and further examination of suicide sites show that depression, deprivation, loss of home and job are all significant factors in people killing themselves or suffering from bouts of deep depression. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6428087.stm

13) I'm all for the social housing because, apart from being much needed, it would give construction workers some work they're not likely to find otherwise.

14) The sentence does indeed reflect my frustration and belief that this government will continue to look after anyone and everyone before the native (once) working population of this country which is what the BNP will try to feed on.

Only on Tuesday there was the story of trade unionists picketing the site of a new power station because "Poles Spaniards and Portugues are being given the job of building the facility at Staythorpe near Newark, and we are talking about over 500 people at a time when skilled work is desperately needed by people here.

Unite say its a national scandal and a "betrayal" of Gordon Brown's "British jobs for British workers" comment. Doubtless Unite's workers would need UK wages to pay UK mortgages and taxes so the job is cheaper to complete using alternatives.

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[Daggers]

More alarmist, tabloid-induced knee-jerk responses to situations that either don't exist or have so little impact upon society that they barely worth mentioning.

I've been over these arguments so many times in previous, similar threads that I have absolutely no intention in repeating them here...suffice to say that I thought you had more about you than to believe this bullshit and that also goes if you don't swallow this shit and are just propogating them in order to provoke an online reaction. It just gives people with turds for brains like Jadefalcon justification for his bigotry and culpable ignorance.

[Dr The Singh]

whistle all you want, but if your parents were born here, then you've earned the right to be here

but then again this argument has been done before and it will never end

Fook, me, not another thread!!! My parent's weren't born here, but my ancestry has faught for britain in all world wars, more so then the majority of the natives, and what about those that have help build britain. Without all the skills immigrant's offer this country would struggle, next time you go into your hospital, go and see how many immigrant doctors are there, how many specialist nurses or consultants!!

I agree this nation needs to stop illegal immigration and does need to tighten it's grip on immigration as a whole, but your blinkered view is damn foolish!

[Dr The Singh]

I've even failed in the love making department <_<

But that's nothing to do with that back of yours.........I told you to try some of those little blue pills, Hully tell's me they work......