BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 A day is now measurably longer than it was just half a century ago
Edmund Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 They gain plenty from holding back info. And there are plenty of scientists from Australia to the USA (including people who have worked for NASA) who say this. Arthur C Clarke was one of the top men in this field and he always spoke out about hidden knowledge.How do you know that 'to date NASA have released everything they have done and found'? And if you say that anyone who questions the powers that be are stupid, I say think again. Your leaders constantly lie to you about major events and still you stick up for them. They take the p#ss and if you look at the state of the world I can't see how you wouldn't see that. I haven't said anything bout METEORS and I don't think that's a possibility either. The only thing which I could see them holding back on is technology advances as U.S.A and Russia (and now China) have always been in competition with the space race. I don't know that NASA have released everything I just believe they have in terms of space exploration but that's just my belief. I never said that one who questions the powers are stupid?? Of course there are powers within the government and we are not told everything but I don't think it correlates with NASA and advances in science unless it was a advantage in technology which they could benefit from for war etc I was just saying that we live in a day and age when there are conspiracies coming out left right and centre and mainly from one nation (U.S.A) I know you didn't mention meteors but I was using that as an example as to why maybe NASA would hold back information if they ever did as it would cause anarchy on earth and to say it's not a possibillity well it happend years ago and wiped out the dinosaurs.
stez Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 A day is now measurably longer than it was just half a century ago ah, but as the moon moves away from the earth, as it is doing (at a rate of 3.8cm per year) the earth will speed up again.....we might not see that day though!
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 Is this a joke? Engines inside the moon. I know, it sound funny. I only saw it today cos I was searching for another vid. I wonder what kind of fuel they use
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 What I am quoting now comes from what scientists have found about the earths past. It shows how much the earth has slowed and is still slowing down. "In the beginning the earth would complete one full circle around its axis in about 4 hours. (This means a day would of been about 4 hours long). It used to spin very fast and has been slowing down ever since. Now it completes one full rotation around its axis in about 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. Scientists know that the speed is going to diminish further. The earth is going to slow down up to a point where it will not be able to support any more decrease in its speed. Then it will stop for a short time and turn back as if it was on a spring and start spinning the opposite way." Maybe this is what the pole shift thing means. I don't know, I'm just wondering as this stuff is interesting. This is why I also have some interest in the Islamic prophecy of the sun rising from the west in the future because if the earth does spin the opposite way then that would happen.
Edmund Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 I know, it sound funny. I only saw it today cos I was searching for another vid. I wonder what kind of fuel they use And sums up my point completely about these american conspiracies.
Edmund Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 What I am quoting now comes from what scientists have found about the earths past. It shows how much the earth has slowed and is still slowing down."In the beginning the earth would complete one full circle around its axis in about 4 hours. (This means a day would of been about 4 hours long). It used to spin very fast and has been slowing down ever since. Now it completes one full rotation around its axis in about 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. Scientists know that the speed is going to diminish further. The earth is going to slow down up to a point where it will not be able to support any more decrease in its speed. Then it will stop for a short time and turn back as if it was on a spring and start spinning the opposite way." Maybe this is what the pole shift thing means. I don't know, I'm just wondering as this stuff is interesting. This is why I also have some interest in the Islamic prophecy of the sun rising from the west in the future because if the earth does spin the opposite way then that would happen. From my knowledge religion and science don't go hand in hand. Off topic but isn't it quite ironic that U.S.A such a religious country pumps so much money into research which blows religion out the window yet they still cary on with there beliefs. I will indeed have a look at this theory as these things interest me.
Ryanside Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 What I am quoting now comes from what scientists have found about the earths past. It shows how much the earth has slowed and is still slowing down."In the beginning the earth would complete one full circle around its axis in about 4 hours. (This means a day would of been about 4 hours long). It used to spin very fast and has been slowing down ever since. Now it completes one full rotation around its axis in about 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. Scientists know that the speed is going to diminish further. The earth is going to slow down up to a point where it will not be able to support any more decrease in its speed. Then it will stop for a short time and turn back as if it was on a spring and start spinning the opposite way." Maybe this is what the pole shift thing means. I don't know, I'm just wondering as this stuff is interesting. This is why I also have some interest in the Islamic prophecy of the sun rising from the west in the future because if the earth does spin the opposite way then that would happen. Im sorry mate, but you do read a load of crap. 1 day = 23 hours, 56 mins and 4 seconds?? All our clocks are ticking along with 24 hours a day. With what your "scientists" are saying, with loosing 3mins 56 seconds a day, it would only take 183.05 days before all our our watches, clocks, computers etc are out of sync by 12 hours! so we would be having midday in pitch black!! Joker.
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 Im sorry mate, but you do read a load of crap. 1 day = 23 hours, 56 mins and 4 seconds??All our clocks are ticking along with 24 hours a day. With what your "scientists" are saying, with loosing 3mins 56 seconds a day, it would only take 183.05 days before all our our watches, clocks, computers etc are out of sync by 12 hours! so we would be having midday in pitch black!! Joker. That timeline is how long it takes the earth to rotate fully around it's axis. Not my words. Just because our clocks are set to 24 hour days doesn't mean the earth spins fully around in that exact time. I think you'll find the 23 hour 56 minutes is about right. I trust the blokes who measure it. One morning you wake up and it gets light at 7.32, the next morning it gets light at a different time. I think that tells you that the full spin is not exactly 24 hours
Edmund Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 That timeline is how long it takes the earth to rotate fully around it's axis. Not my words. Just because our clocks are set to 24 hour days doesn't mean the earth spins fully around in that exact time. I think you'll find the 23 hour 56 minutes is about right. I trust the blokes who measure it.One morning you wake up and it gets light at 7.32, the next morning it gets light at a different time. I think that tells you that the full spin is not exactly 24 hours This is from seasonal effects resulting from the tilt of the earth's axis.
Ryanside Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 That timeline is how long it takes the earth to rotate fully around it's axis. Not my words. Just because our clocks are set to 24 hour days doesn't mean the earth spins fully around in that exact time. I think you'll find the 23 hour 56 minutes is about right. I trust the blokes who measure it.One morning you wake up and it gets light at 7.32, the next morning it gets light at a different time. I think that tells you that the full spin is not exactly 24 hours haha you idiot, the change in sunrise and sunset is because of the tilt of the earth. And ill think you find a day is not 23 hour 56 minutes, as i have just proven. After 183 days your watch would be 12 hours behind, this does not happen! You need to get back to GCSE science.
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 From my knowledge religion and science don't go hand in hand. Off topic but isn't it quite ironic that U.S.A such a religious country pumps so much money into research which blows religion out the window yet they still cary on with there beliefs.I will indeed have a look at this theory as these things interest me. Religion and science do go hand in hand. The problem is that most religious texts have been altered so much that they sound ridiculous. I don't know of any scientific research that blows the idea of a Creator out of the window? Most of the top scientists who work on dna have said that the codes in dna actually point to an intelligent design in all of us. If you look at the Qur'an there are alot of verses in there about things that scientists have just discovered in the last 20-40 years. Verses about barriers in the seas that are invisible to the human eye for example. There is a verse about how there is a barrier in between two seas that each sea cannot transgress (i.e Atlantic/Pacific or any others that join). And recently science has discovered that each seas water is a different density to the next. This density makes it impossible for Atlantic sea water to move into Pacific sea water for example. They bounce against eachother but don't actually mix. Another verse is something along these lines, "Have you not seen how the universe was once one entity and then We seperated it." This seems rather like what people call the Big Bang to me. There are plenty more verses along similar lines. And all the original religious books (before they were changed) tell us to have scientific minds so I think that the two do go together.
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 Im sorry mate, but you do read a load of crap. Joker. Perhaps you should advise me on some books to read then Einstein
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 haha you idiot, the change in sunrise and sunset is because of the tilt of the earth.And ill think you find a day is not 23 hour 56 minutes, as i have just proven. After 183 days your watch would be 12 hours behind, this does not happen! You need to get back to GCSE science. I'm afraid you're wrong and one day you will find out for yourself. The earth does not complete one rotation in exactly 24 hours.
Ryanside Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 I'm afraid you're wrong and one day you will find out for yourself. The earth does not complete one rotation in exactly 24 hours. correct, not exactly 24 hours. but its only out by less than 1 second a year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7805534.stm not 236 seconds a day as you state
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 That's wrong about the 1 second a year Even IF I'm wrong on the timings it's not wrong on the fact that the earth is gonna slow down too much and change direction. It's not my work that's found this to be the case. I can see it's pointless talking about it though.
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 Question How long does it take earth to rotate on its axis? Answer Depends on how you measure it. The mean solar day, that is the average time it takes for the sun to go from its highest point on a given day to its highest point the next day, is 24 hours. If you measure the time it takes a distant star to do that, (the sidereal day) it's 86,164.091 seconds (or: 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.091 seconds). The difference is the apparent motion of the sun, which is really caused by the earth moving. Take those (slightly less than) 4 minutes a day each day for a year, and it adds up to one extra day. I got that from wikiAnswers. What's this one extra day thing if anyone can tell me? I'm not being cryptic, I want to know. Is it something to do with leap years? I am trying to find this talk I got the info from to show I wasn't just making up crap.
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 The point I was trying to make anyway, was that the earth used to rotate once in 4 hours and now it's nearly 24 hours. I was just trying to show how much the earth has slowed and is still slowing. The exact time it takes now is not important.
hairy Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 correct, not exactly 24 hours. but its only out by less than 1 second a year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7805534.stm Did you know they add that second on just before New Year every year. You have to wait an extra second before Big Ben stricks. But why add a full day every four years
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 haha you idiot, the change in sunrise and sunset is because of the tilt of the earth.And ill think you find a day is not 23 hour 56 minutes, as i have just proven. After 183 days your watch would be 12 hours behind, this does not happen! You need to get back to GCSE science. I didn't say a day was 23h 56m, I said that is how long the earth takes to rotate on it's axis. Do a search for it. "For clarity, you have asked the rotation time for earth to spin 360 degrees on its axis. Like some have said, that time is 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.091 seconds. That is called a sidereal day" The 24 hours is a solar day, not a sidereal day which is what I was talking about.
Edmund Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 Religion and science do go hand in hand. The problem is that most religious texts have been altered so much that they sound ridiculous. I don't know of any scientific research that blows the idea of a Creator out of the window? Most of the top scientists who work on dna have said that the codes in dna actually point to an intelligent design in all of us. If you look at the Qur'an there are alot of verses in there about things that scientists have just discovered in the last 20-40 years. Verses about barriers in the seas that are invisible to the human eye for example. There is a verse about how there is a barrier in between two seas that each sea cannot transgress (i.e Atlantic/Pacific or any others that join). And recently science has discovered that each seas water is a different density to the next. This density makes it impossible for Atlantic sea water to move into Pacific sea water for example. They bounce against eachother but don't actually mix. Another verse is something along these lines, "Have you not seen how the universe was once one entity and then We seperated it." This seems rather like what people call the Big Bang to me. There are plenty more verses along similar lines. And all the original religious books (before they were changed) tell us to have scientific minds so I think that the two do go together. No science does not blow any creator out the window but it goes about it looking for a logical explanation not just a guy with a beard dropping adam and eve onto this planet and the rest is history. Just because we were created doesn't mean it is down to religion. We are most probably made up of atoms and molecules and gases which reacted together in the optimum environment. The question is who or what created these materials in the first place. Who or what created the big bang and then who or what created the creator of the big bang? Of course there will be things in the bible/qur'an that coincide with everyday science but the difference is now they have the technology/brainpower to decipher what causes these not just a fable or story, e.g you state the qur'an spoke of these magical barriers in the sea all science has done is explained why. Down to salt levels/material in the sea?! Some religions saied the moon was a god but they soon realised it was a planet?! See what im getting at. "Have you not seen how the universe was once one entity and then We seperated it." Over the millions of years someone is obviously going to guess correctly but still we didn't seperate the universe the big bang did. And all the original religious books (before they were changed) tell us to have scientific minds so I think that the two do go together. What was changed? You just seem to base it upon assumptions so that in goes in your favour. Every point I make can be answered back as "that was changed/ made up in the bible". Theres no facts or figures. I don't study religion so I can't say what is right or wrong but im sure for example the hindus believe there is a god at the centre of this earth with loads of arms controlling this earth. Surely thats out the window with science? Im sure theres thousands of examples I could give you if I could be bothered to search. Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings Im probably not getting my point across properly as im shite at expressing what I mean via an internet forum. We should meet up for a pint or two and have a proper science debate
BoneDog Posted 11 February 2009 Posted 11 February 2009 No science does not blow any creator out the window but it goes about it looking for a logical explanation not just a guy with a beard dropping adam and eve onto this planet and the rest is history. I agree that the Creator is not a man with a beard! From what I've read in old books they all say that we will never know what the Creator is. It is a magnificent unknown Power. It was men in the past 1000 years who started drawing pictures of a man with a beard to represent God. What was changed? You just seem to base it upon assumptions so that in goes in your favour. Every point I make can be answered back as "that was changed/ made up in the bible". Theres no facts or figures. There is proof about books being changed. There are lots of different versions of the Bible for example. At the start there was one version, the real one. The King James version for example is a recent change. Im probably not getting my point across properly as im shite at expressing what I mean via an internet forum. We should meet up for a pint or two and have a proper science debate Yes I would meet up for a pint but I don't know much about science so don't know what use I'd be in a debate. I'm always about matchdays at home and some away. I'll be going all away once I get me car
Lillehamring Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Why the (?). Its just hairy.because i didn't have the thread open, so i wasn't sure if i remembered correctly who i was replying to. Of course its extra-terrestrial. Its the moon. Its not part of the earth. oopsie, but you know what i mean - little green men, and all that.
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